Thread: Two Tourists Brutally Murdered on Koh Tao, One Raped: Police Spark Thailand Manhunt

Originally Posted by koman

It's impossible to know how much of this kind of police work was conducted by the BIB because they appeared to be going off in all directions; issuing absurd statements daily, and generally giving the impression that solving the crime was not really uppermost in their minds. There is not much to suggest that any real criminal investigation was conducted at all...and with so many breaches of proper procedures right from the start; where do you begin.

There are so many stories out there, non of which can be established as accurate; and so many theories stemming from the stories and overall lack of established facts, it will take some sharp minds and good police work to unravel it all.

knowing the Thais highly developed skills in stalling, bullshitting and obscuring everything they don't want made public....we'll have to wait and see how it goes.

Well-described. And what do we call this kind of situation in more developed countries ? A complete debacle, perhaps ?

Possibly though, it may have been a Columbo-like clever ruse to throw the perpetrators into confusion as to how close the BIB were getting.
Cunning devils, these orientals.

It's seems to me that Thailands sensitivity about tourist numbers may also be a tipping point. How much revenue is/will be lost through the bad publicity these as yet unsolved murders generate. Just how much are 'they' willing to lose to protect the perpetrators.
Travel advice from European governments gets through to just the type of tourists Thailand seems to try and target 'families'

Lets just hope that the earlier statement that the UK police will be allowed over to Investigate. Will not be retracted by this evening.
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Jonathan Head for the BBC just gave a report on BBC World about Thailands government dragging its feet over Bangladeshi's being trafficked into Thailand to sold into slavery ! Is this the pressure that will help the Koh Tao murders lose their protection ?

Originally Posted by NZdick1983

Originally Posted by YOrlov

These two lads where photos voluntarily giving DNA samples within days of the crime occuring. They were passed as not involved then. So, we can safely assume they had fuck all to do with it. The spotlight needs to shine on those that refused to take a DNA test.

100 % agree bro, spot on.

That is not my quote,

Originally Posted by YOrlov

Originally Posted by pseudolus

These two lads where photos voluntarily giving DNA samples within days of the crime occuring. They were passed as not involved then. So, we can safely assume they had fuck all to do with it. The spotlight needs to shine on those that refused to take a DNA test.

Samples were collected, doubtful all 200 + were tested as it was taking days per test. IMO police were waiting for more clues to surface ( or bribes..)

This also explains how their DNA tests came back so quickly- (just playing DA here.)

this is my quote

Highlights of the junta leader's reported declarations;

Thailand beach murders: British police heading east to help probe killing of two young backpackers - Mirror Online





The Thai leader had previously rejected offers of help and insisted the UK no longer had "any more doubts" about the quality of the investigation following ambassador-level talks.
"They simply needed more time to understand it all because we managed to arrest suspects swiftly, even though it seemed impossible at the beginning," he was reported to have said.

Thai PM plays down concern over tourist murder investigation | Reuters
Prayuth denied that the Thai charge d'affaires in London, Nadhavathna Krishnamra, had been summoned over concern about how Thai authorities have handled the case.
"They did not summon us. We went to provide clarification to them," Prayuth told reporters. "We went to show them how we work. They might be surprised at how quickly we work but we explained the steps we have in place."

Does he believe his own BS? Most enjoyable how foreign press is ignoring his decree on a new name spelling.

the brits are coming, given a free hand or bogged down with bureaucracy?

a report in TV today

Originally Posted by koman

The British police have no jurisdiction whatsoever in Thailand and even if they were able to discredit the "evidence" held by the BIB, the courts can carry on regardless and accept whatever evidence they choose.

True but the UK can make Thailand a high risk Country making travel insurance very difficult to obtain. This could lead to other Countries doing the same and leave Thailand's tourist industry in tatters.

Originally Posted by koman

Considering that the two accused were supposedly tested and cleared in the first days of the investigation, only to be rounded up and tested again two weeks later and directly connected to the murders seems more than a little odd. No explanation for this anomaly has been made available anywhere that I can see.

I am not sure how true this is. The initial reports suggested that these 3 ran off when the Burmese were rounded up and found later. The ones that were rounded up accused the BiB of beating them until they provided names of the 3 that ran.

I hope the bodies were shipped to the UK before the migrants were caught so that there was no chance of their DNA being placed on them.

Originally Posted by Troy

I am not sure how true this is. The initial reports suggested that these 3 ran off when the Burmese were rounded up and found later.

They were photoed patiently waiting in line having voluntarily gone to give their DNA samples. Hardly the actions of 3 murder rapists, eh?



Again, note he is wearing the t shirt he was wearing on the night of the murder. Again - is that likely? Murder someone in a shirt that would be covered in blood. Go to the police on his own initiative to give a DNA sample wearing the same tshirt he was wearing when he was supposedly killing them.

Originally Posted by chassamui

It does seem the teak door investigation has been remarkably thorough in its forensic recording and investigation of all possible avenues.

Indeed. In the tranny murder in the Philippines, it's quite interesting to see the Filipino social media sites raise the same points and questions and theories raised by CSI/TD..........about three days after CSI/TD.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by Troy

I am not sure how true this is. The initial reports suggested that these 3 ran off when the Burmese were rounded up and found later.

They were photoed patiently waiting in line having voluntarily gone to give their DNA samples. Hardly the actions of 3 murder rapists, eh?

I think it went like this. First round of DNA tests from the Burmese, negative result, then insert into the dead bodies. Test again, hey presto we have a match AND confessions.

Would love to have heard what Pryuth had to say when he phoned home! Now that would be telling. So what is the UK's equivalent of the NSA?

^^ They were not collecting semen samples , just cheek swabs, sufficient to check DNA.

What's more likely and easier to do is the rapist(s) cheek DNA sample was switched to the accused's samples.

Originally Posted by thailazer

Would love to have heard what Pryuth had to say when he phoned home! Now that would be telling. So what is the UK's equivalent of the NSA?

GCHQ (in Cheltenham).

Originally Posted by PAG

Originally Posted by thailazer

Would love to have heard what Pryuth had to say when he phoned home! Now that would be telling. So what is the UK's equivalent of the NSA?

GCHQ (in Cheltenham).

Thanks Pag.....Countries like Thailand have no idea whatsoever of the kind of expertise and technology they are dealing with.

Looks like that travel insurance ruse won't work..

Koh Tao case Thai only, Somyot insists | Bangkok Post: news

National police chief Somyot Pumpunmuang is adamant that British officials monitoring the Koh Tao murder investigation will not be able to interfere with the Thai judicial process. "Allowing the UK team to conduct an investigation is tantamount to a breach of our sovereignty," Pol Gen Somyot. His comments follow a campaign in the United Kingdom to have the government there initiate an independent...




Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha in his weekly speech yesterday instructed relevant agencies to improve safety measures for tourists. These include boosting transport safety and installing more CCTV cameras...Gen Prayut also said the government has set up a 200-million-baht fund which will be used to attract Western tourists who are unable to buy travel insurance when visiting Thailand.


Welcome to the increasingly isolationist Thailand

Originally Posted by thailazer

Thanks Pag.....Countries like Thailand have no idea whatsoever of the kind of expertise and technology they are dealing with.

Well if they didn't before they do now.

Originally Posted by YOrlov

^^ They were not collecting semen samples , just cheek swabs, sufficient to check DNA.

What's more likely and easier to do is the rapist(s) cheek DNA sample was switched to the accused's samples.

personally, I wonder if they ever really did ANY DNA testing. I have never seen (to my best recollection) a single independent confirmation that DNA tests were undertaken.

OK all you wanna be detectives.
After 68 pages of pre trial evidence it's time to place your bets.
Let's frame a market.

Originally Posted by nidhogg

Originally Posted by YOrlov

^^ They were not collecting semen samples , just cheek swabs, sufficient to check DNA.

What's more likely and easier to do is the rapist(s) cheek DNA sample was switched to the accused's samples.

personally, I wonder if they ever really did ANY DNA testing. I have never seen (to my best recollection) a single independent confirmation that DNA tests were undertaken.

The centre in Bangkok said they were doing the testing, but it was blind testing in that they did not know whos DNA it was. How convenient.

Originally Posted by YOrlov

Looks like that travel insurance ruse won't work..

Koh Tao case Thai only, Somyot insists | Bangkok Post: news
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National police chief Somyot Pumpunmuang is adamant that British officials monitoring the Koh Tao murder investigation will not be able to interfere with the Thai judicial process. "Allowing the UK team to conduct an investigation is tantamount to a breach of our sovereignty," Pol Gen Somyot. His comments follow a campaign in the United Kingdom to have the government there initiate an independent...

Translated as BIB chief shits his pants because the Brit cops would have this evil and corrupt worm and his equally despicable mates, banged to rights after about 5 minutes of investigating.

Scum of the highest order is this guy.

I gotta say, I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall when the British PM had a quiet word with Prayuth.

Looks like things are back to where they were 24 hours ago. Another run at the wall?

British 'will be observers only' | Bangkok Post: news