Thread: Two Tourists Brutally Murdered on Koh Tao, One Raped: Police Spark Thailand Manhunt

Sounds like it's time to quarantine the island and issue warrants for fresh milk and his buds.

Foreign & Commonwealth Office answer our 10 questions on the Hannah Witheridge case - News - East Anglian Daily Times

^ Question i would of asked, the friends seen on the night with the both murder victims, have they been interviewed by the British police as of yet

Must be nice for these MET coppers. In their home country they are pretty much known as corrupt bully boy thugs and yet suddenly they become pillars of integrity when compared to the local thai crime syndicate known as the Thai police.

Some were, particularly in the late 60 - 70s. Different ethos now and has been for 30 years.

To stereotype in such an absurd fashion is childish.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

To stereotype in such an absurd fashion is childish.

That's the job of the Grauniad and BBC.

Originally Posted by YOrlov

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

Wasn't it PM Prayuth that opened the door for investigators from Britain ?

Maybe window-dressing (IMO) but not many countries allow another countries PD /DI's to prowl around conducting their own investigation. If they don't concur with the current finding there should be some interesting media coming ahead for many to soak up.

If those kids didn't do it they just need to be allowed to go home.
Finding the real culprits may never take precedent with the investigation.

The UK crew are not going to be conducting an investigation, but acting as "observers only", quote the PM. Last week there was a big play on this in all the media; Prattle had reportedly ( by UK press) told Cameron , "Yes, send in some help," ( we need it ) just to get home and retract his promise.
I will never get used to the bold faced lying Thais employ at every chance. Truly, a less trustworthy people exists not in the world.

Have you been conducting a study ? That's a fairly bold statement in my opinion.

Again, everyone is entitled to their opinion.
I'm curious as to which other countries you have inhabited for a few years throughout Asia, Africa or the Middle East to back up your statement ,"Truly, a less trustworthy people exists not in the world."

They took pictures and asked for information before holding closed-door talks in the meeting room of the Koh Tao municipality before returning to Bangkok.

Have I got this right... They are not staying on Koa-Tao?
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Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

Originally Posted by YOrlov

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

Wasn't it PM Prayuth that opened the door for investigators from Britain ?

Maybe window-dressing (IMO) but not many countries allow another countries PD /DI's to prowl around conducting their own investigation. If they don't concur with the current finding there should be some interesting media coming ahead for many to soak up.

If those kids didn't do it they just need to be allowed to go home.
Finding the real culprits may never take precedent with the investigation.

The UK crew are not going to be conducting an investigation, but acting as "observers only", quote the PM. Last week there was a big play on this in all the media; Prattle had reportedly ( by UK press) told Cameron , "Yes, send in some help," ( we need it ) just to get home and retract his promise.
I will never get used to the bold faced lying Thais employ at every chance. Truly, a less trustworthy people exists not in the world.

Have you been conducting a study ? That's a fairly bold statement in my opinion.

Again, everyone is entitled to their opinion.
I'm curious as to which other countries you have inhabited for a few years throughout Asia, Africa or the Middle East to back up your statement ,"Truly, a less trustworthy people exists not in the world."

I feel no need to validate my opinion, and any request for such information is completely off topic.
Please go to the members forum if you wish to start a thread dissecting my opinion or requesting a list of residences.

Originally Posted by septimus

They took pictures and asked for information before holding closed-door talks in the meeting room of the Koh Tao municipality before returning to Bangkok.

Have I got this right... They are not staying on Koa-Tao?
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No reason to, really. The ( real ) suspects have fled, the friends have returned home, the crime scene has been scoured by tides for five weeks now. Noone would dare be seen approaching them with new information.

The FCO stated: “A detective chief inspector from the Metropolitan Police Service Homicide and Major Crime Command and a forensic operations co-ordinator from Forensic Services have been deployed and are in Thailand.”

The Bangkok Post reported today that other officers had already been on the island since Friday.

Another one then.. How many brit cops are here. I thought it was just three?

Maybe I'm having a slow day.
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Originally Posted by YOrlov

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

Originally Posted by YOrlov

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

Wasn't it PM Prayuth that opened the door for investigators from Britain ?

Maybe window-dressing (IMO) but not many countries allow another countries PD /DI's to prowl around conducting their own investigation. If they don't concur with the current finding there should be some interesting media coming ahead for many to soak up.

If those kids didn't do it they just need to be allowed to go home.
Finding the real culprits may never take precedent with the investigation.

The UK crew are not going to be conducting an investigation, but acting as "observers only", quote the PM. Last week there was a big play on this in all the media; Prattle had reportedly ( by UK press) told Cameron , "Yes, send in some help," ( we need it ) just to get home and retract his promise.
I will never get used to the bold faced lying Thais employ at every chance. Truly, a less trustworthy people exists not in the world.

Have you been conducting a study ? That's a fairly bold statement in my opinion.

Again, everyone is entitled to their opinion.
I'm curious as to which other countries you have inhabited for a few years throughout Asia, Africa or the Middle East to back up your statement ,"Truly, a less trustworthy people exists not in the world."

I feel no need to validate my opinion, and any request for such information is completely off topic.
Please go to the members forum if you wish to start a thread dissecting my opinion or requesting a list of residences.

relax mate - well documented and proven beyond all doubt here multiple times that the local savages are a lying collection of mummy boys who are just about as likely to tell the truth as they are to stand the bill for a meal and drinks if a farang is present.

Originally Posted by YOrlov

Originally Posted by septimus

They took pictures and asked for information before holding closed-door talks in the meeting room of the Koh Tao municipality before returning to Bangkok.

Have I got this right... They are not staying on Koa-Tao?
sep

No reason to, really. The ( real ) suspects have fled, the friends have returned home, the crime scene has been scoured by tides for five weeks now. Noone would dare be seen approaching them with new information.

So that's a rap then?.
There was I thinking that the (real) suspects were basking in the protection of Thailand's finest?
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^ I agree the ( real ) suspects are in protection of TF's. I have read and agree also that all are currently off island , the younger one reportedly across the border and preparing to head to a more southernly continent.

I just don't think there is any more evidence to be gleaned on the island to necessitate the UK group staying there.

I read that the academic star has left Thailand, although the sources are not the most reliable, but where is the information about the others leaving coming from?

Generally speaking they would probably be better off staying in Thailand if they are anywhere near as well "protected" as is claimed.
....unless they were "advised" to leave by the very people who are supposed to be protecting them....because the noose is getting a bit too tight for comfort, and bribes/payoffs can only do so much..... It's unlikely they ever imagined things would get so out of control.

In a double murder case with such a high profile, it might be difficult to just lay low in another country waiting for things to cool off....if Scotland Yard and Interpol get on their trail. There's a lot being invested in cracking this case and nailing the right people.

By leaving the country in the midst of this investigations, these characters would have put themselves under the microscope even more. Before leaving; the visiting police will probably be handing the BIB a four page list of reasons why these guys should be arrested and charged. If warrants were issued, what country would give sanctuary to such people under these circumstances?

Originally Posted by septimus

The FCO stated: “A detective chief inspector from the Metropolitan Police Service Homicide and Major Crime Command and a forensic operations co-ordinator from Forensic Services have been deployed and are in Thailand.”

The Bangkok Post reported today that other officers had already been on the island since Friday.

Another one then.. How many brit cops are here. I thought it was just three?

Maybe I'm having a slow day.
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and for how long?

Originally Posted by YOrlov

^ I agree the ( real ) suspects are in protection of TF's. I have read and agree also that all are currently off island , the younger one reportedly across the border and preparing to head to a more southernly continent.

I just don't think there is any more evidence to be gleaned on the island to necessitate the UK group staying there.

They are ALL off the island. That sounds like an admission of guilt to me

Does anyone know where? One should be in Bangkok.

Maybe no more evidence. But a hell of a lot more Investigating. Unless the Brits have seen all they need. If that is the case they might as well go home and publish their findings. Or do we have to wait for the inquests in January?

I just would have thought a few more hours on Koa-Tao would have been more constructive than spending their time in Bangkok.
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Originally Posted by koman

I read that the academic star has left Thailand, although the sources are not the most reliable, but where is the information about the others leaving coming from?

Generally speaking they would probably be better off staying in Thailand if they are anywhere near as well "protected" as is claimed.
....unless they were "advised" to leave by the very people who are supposed to be protecting them....because the noose is getting a bit too tight for comfort, and bribes/payoffs can only do so much..... It's unlikely they ever imagined things would get so out of control.

In a double murder case with such a high profile, it might be difficult to just lay low in another country waiting for things to cool off....if Scotland Yard and Interpol get on their trail. There's a lot being invested in cracking this case and nailing the right people.

By leaving the country in the midst of this investigations, these characters would have put themselves under the microscope even more. Before leaving; the visiting police will probably be handing the BIB a four page list of reasons why these guys should be arrested and charged. If warrants were issued, what country would give sanctuary to such people under these circumstances?

The same source, CSI LA

Agree, flight to another country and out from under protection umbrella of the powers that be might be a mistake, however extradition would require a indictment from a Thai court and without that DNA, how likely is that?

How reliable is this CSI LA source?

Fair enough it appears he has a lot of boots on the ground with cameras.

And on the subject of CSI as generally reliable...
Here is BP article yesterday ( of course BP may be wrong- and no source is named...)
UK police quietly tour Koh Tao | Bangkok Post: news

The trip was kept secret, with no police officers in Surat Thani province or Provincial Police Region 8 informed. Police based on Koh Tao and neighbouring Koh Phangan were not allowed to join the meeting...

Yet CSI LA 90210 is reporting this man circled in the group is Koh Tao police

This man is her brother. His name is Chet. He is also a police in Koh Tao.

DNA matches are the icing on the cake, but an awful lot of people were arrested, charged and successfully convicted of serious crimes long before anybody even heard of DNA.

There may well be enough evidence accumulated to have these guys dragged back from wherever they went. You don't need a slam-dunk case to request extradition on suspicion of murder. If there is enough circumstantial evidence available, a court would be quite likely to go along with an extradition request, especially when two other sovereign states have a direct interest in the case.

Getting a final conviction is where all the evidence, including DNA matching can make the difference. Everybody keeps talking about DNA as if it's the only possible way to charge and convict anybody of anything. It's not, and never has been.

DNA can be tampered with, contaminated, or planted. It's a great tool to have in the box but it's not the only one.

If they can just bring these guys in for more "questioning" the DNA can be handled quite easily, and I would suspect that at some point they will indeed be invited back in for a little chat, once a certain widely reported alibi has been finally and totally discredited, along with a few other rather important odds and ends that were ignored or dismissed by the original BIB investigators; and put aside hoping they would just go away if they issued enough ridiculous statements and confused the story enough.

Under the circumstances it's hard to see any court (yes, even in LOS) dismissing a request for extradition, but like so many other things; we'll just have to wait and see what happens.

Originally Posted by YOrlov

Extradition on capital charges will require an indictment- and without DNA, what other evidence is there regarding Nomsod? A grainy CCTV tape
?
Then the host country may refuse on grounds the death penalty may be invoked.

I think the best we can hope for is Win and Saw are released, the true culprits will never see the inside of a holding cell, much less prison.
The second best thing to hope for is western tourists start realizing what a piece of shit the nation is regarding human rights and justice, and stop coming here. However, I doubt Russians and Chinese will much care, their own countries being just as bad, and they will make up the numbers.

Extradition of a citizen requires a brief of evidence comparable to that which the accused would be forced to stand trial in the country of residence.
Capital cases are generally only refused if the resident is a citizen of the country he is being extradited from, unless the accused tries to claim asylum.
Extradition of foreign nationals to their home country is much looser.

Time to call in “Dog the Bounty hunter” he knows no boundaries and can bring them in.

Originally Posted by YOrlov

Extradition on capital charges will require an indictment- and without DNA, what other evidence is there regarding Nomsod? A grainy CCTV tape
?
Then the host country may refuse on grounds the death penalty may be invoked.

I think the best we can hope for is Win and Saw are released, the true culprits will never see the inside of a holding cell, much less prison.
The second best thing to hope for is western tourists start realizing what a piece of shit the nation is regarding human rights and justice, and stop coming here. However, I doubt Russians and Chinese will much care, their own countries being just as bad, and they will make up the numbers.

We don't know what evidence exists, but if it can be established that sonny boy was in fact still on KT instead of BKK when the crime was committed...that blows his whole alibi wide open and brings him right back to square one...which was "prime suspect" He was taken off the prime suspect list simply because of his "alibi". No DNA sample was taken because of his "alibi". If he has left the country, it's because those who are covering his ass are worried that his whole story is going to get blown up pretty soon.

Tourists are not going to stop coming to Thailand over this, and for every pissed off expat that finally stops bitching about the place and decides to put their money where their mouth is and actually leave, there will be another starry eyed newcomer ready to replace them.

If Thailand relaxed its visa requirements and made a few adjustments to things like property ownership rules, it could probably double it's expat population in a few years. I'm pretty sure they don't want that though...they already have all the farangs they want and would probably be quite happy to see some go back wherever they came from to annoy the local population there....

KT may take a bit of a hit for a while, but these things pass into history and the world carries on. That's the way it's always been. People are willing to take the risks (which statistically are really quite small) because a great many people do like Thailand despite it's lumps, bumps and murky underbelly.

The grass is always supposed to be greener on the other side of the fence, but only cattle actually believe that.