Thread: Two Tourists Brutally Murdered on Koh Tao, One Raped: Police Spark Thailand Manhunt

Originally Posted by Bower

Originally Posted by chassamui

Is there any record of the UK inquests into the two deaths, or have they just been opened and then adjourned? I am sure the couples Brit friends and maybe other westerners would be happy to give evidence anywhere except Thailand.
Perhaps the FCO has a sked them to make statements privately and await the results of the Thai facade that passes for a fair trial?

I think the inquest has been set for January 2015

I am not sure that is correct. I seem to recall I posted earlier in the thread that there is definately an ongoing inquest into hannahs death, and that has been adjurned to January 2015.

Originally Posted by YOrlov

then switching that sample

semen has some differences to a mouth swab

Originally Posted by pseudolus

These two lads where photos voluntarily giving DNA samples within days of the crime occuring. They were passed as not involved then. So, we can safely assume they had fuck all to do with it. The spotlight needs to shine on those that refused to take a DNA test.

Exactly. It's not bloody rocket science.
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Originally Posted by nidhogg

Originally Posted by Bower

Originally Posted by chassamui

Is there any record of the UK inquests into the two deaths, or have they just been opened and then adjourned? I am sure the couples Brit friends and maybe other westerners would be happy to give evidence anywhere except Thailand.
Perhaps the FCO has a sked them to make statements privately and await the results of the Thai facade that passes for a fair trial?

I think the inquest has been set for January 2015

I am not sure that is correct. I seem to recall I posted earlier in the thread that there is definately an ongoing inquest into hannahs death, and that has been adjurned to January 2015.

BBC News - Three 'held over killing of British tourists in Thailand'

Check the above link The full Inquest into Hanna's death will be on the 6th January. WTF

Originally Posted by blue

Originally Posted by thaimeme

Originally Posted by blue

Whatever the Thai police do next a conspiracy theory will emerge to discredit it.

Well...
They don't have the most sterling of reputations.

So, you'll forgive anyone and everyone that questions their actions and motives.

All I'm saying is, how is there going to be an outcome some people will satisfied with now ?
In a way its a classic - the boy who cried wolf senario -
EG
IF DNA evidence is produced in court , or samples given to British police , some will say its a set up.
If DNA was found by British Police on the girls body - it was planted ,
If the Immigrants again plead guilty in court -they were coerced -

and so on .

I agree the whole thing stinks - a farce from the police , seeming silence from anyone on the island at that time .Farang clowns .

Still just because the police messed up to start with doesnt mean the immigrants are innocent .

Yes sadly it does seem that the police have achieved what they originally set out to do.

In the past many cases were successfully solved without the use of DNA. DNA only made it easier for cases to be solved. So maybe back to good not so old forensic detective work. Again which can only be achieved if the Thai authorities will allow perhaps someone neutral to investigate. The United Nations or Interpol. I don't know if they would be able to get involved.
Certainly any investigators going on the Koa-Tao would need some impressive backup.

The good thing is this case is not going away, if anything it is still picking up momentum. Hopefully there is a lot more to come.
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Start writing the international press. I was surprised to see Huffington Post UK stops the articles at " Two Burmese confess..."

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Subject : UK Citizens murder on Ko Tao Murder; Frame up of Burmese





There is a huge internet movement about this case starting with a petition now at over 100,000 signatures to get the UK authorities involved in this seemingly farcical investigation.

https://www.change.org/p/the-governm...ng=en-US#share


This site has much commentary from a British journalist in Bangkok;
ONLINE PETITION ON KOH TAO MURDERS PROMPTS MARCH ON NO 10 - Andrew Drummond

Today there is a demonstration in London seeking the UK get involved.


Please google "Andy Hall " and the many reports on how the accused claim to have been beaten into confessing and a facebook page that has presented evidence contrary to the police version.
https://www.facebook.com/CSILA90210ld



Please report on this.

Originally Posted by baldrick

Originally Posted by YOrlov

then switching that sample

semen has some differences to a mouth swab

And the real rapist provides the mouth sample to match the semen.
That's the easiest way to pull a switch, as long as no one does another test.

Originally Posted by YOrlov

These two lads where photos voluntarily giving DNA samples within days of the crime occuring. They were passed as not involved then. So, we can safely assume they had fuck all to do with it. The spotlight needs to shine on those that refused to take a DNA test.

100 % agree bro, spot on.

They are also expected to examine claims by the two migrant workers that they have been mistreated by the Thai authorities.

Hope they use their own translator instead of requisitiong the services of Mr Rotiboy.

^^

About time; although you have to wonder about how much co-operation and access they will be given. Will they be able to demand DNA samples from the "influential" people who apparently can just refuse such things when the BIB asks?

The physical evidence has been totally compromised right from day one, and the new investigation will be "led" by the BIB anyway. If they can pull some rabbits out of hats and bring down the whole corrupted chain of command that has overseen this case so far, that would be worth KGB's all round.

On the other hand if by some extraordinary circumstance, the BIB really do have the right goods, there's going to be a solemn and deafly silence on social media and TD etc. ...then the BIB can get back to harassing schoolgirls on motorbikes.

Give it about 2 weeks until the cops are safely out of Thailand again, saying it is a fit up, and the Thai police were about as open about the investigation as the Federal Reserve is about its internal workings.

Visa wait for parents of Koh Tao murder suspects

Thailand typical reaction to the parents saying their kids were fitted up - don't let them in again.

Originally Posted by thailazer

already hear the top guy mention the sovereign nation card

Rather an important card; which appears to be missed by many commentators. The British police have no jurisdiction whatsoever in Thailand and even if they were able to discredit the "evidence" held by the BIB, the courts can carry on regardless and accept whatever evidence they choose.

It's worth reading through the FCO memo posted back a bit in this thread. It makes you realize just how little power they actually have here.....which is just about absolute zero.

The international "pressure" we keep hearing about is really quite localized. A couple of hundred people chanting outside a Thai consulate somewhere is not going to faze the Generals too much....but it makes for a bit of good press in farangland.

All the noise on social media is unlikely to faze them either. They have already made their views on that subject quite apparent. Ie." Only idiots believe what they read on social media"

This entire process however fucked up it might appear to be, is totally protected by the powers of the sovereign state...like it or not. All the rest of the world can do is huff and puff, but in the end the state of Thailand and it's leaders call the shots here. Unless a situation can be escalated to the level where major trade sanctions or something of the sort are called for, there is not much that can be done.

Diplomacy is a buffering process where trained people say all the right things to each other until the heat dies down and allows everybody gets back to whatever they were doing before the heat started. We saw that with the British Ambassador recently. The last thing diplomats want to do is piss off the other side and allow things to get out of control. Murders of tourists by thugs, however horrific is not the stuff of major international incidents; not is it going to result in any kind of punitive actions by other sovereign states.

When moving to live in a country like Thailand, or even coming for a visit, it's worth making a note of these things and letting them sink in, because if you find yourself in the shit, all the wishful thinking about the FCO, or Inspector Morse and his able assistants, will not get you very far; however much we wish it to be otherwise.

Originally Posted by koman

It's worth reading through the FCO memo posted back a bit in this thread. It makes you realize just how little power they actually have here.....which is just about absolute zero.

If the victims were Yanks, Koh Tao would have been swarming with FBI and the BIB would need to wear knee pads, methinx.

Originally Posted by Kurgen

Originally Posted by koman

It's worth reading through the FCO memo posted back a bit in this thread. It makes you realize just how little power they actually have here.....which is just about absolute zero.

If the victims were Yanks, Koh Tao would have been swarming with FBI and the BIB would need to wear knee pads, methinx.

Not unless there is some kind of arrangement in place. The police force in one country has no jurisdiction in another country unless it is granted by that country.
The UK has no such arrangement as is clearly outlined in the FCO memorandum.

Notice that this intervention was only granted when David Cameron bumped in General Prayuth at the Euro-Asia conference in Italy and asked him nicely if they could send over a few cops to have a look over the evidence.

Originally Posted by thailazer

I would bet the British police have some information that is making them confident to step into the fray.

DNA samples from the bodies ?

I think it would be fairly easy to get a DNA sample of the Burmese mother of one of the alleged murderess and cross check that with whatever DNA evidence is available from the victims or am I wrong?

It would be interesting though if the UK police were to obtain DNA samples of the bar owners. OK if they proved that they were involved, legally it would stand for nothing. But what a Hornets nest.
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^ and ^^ Both very good points.

The UK police, after their visit will be questioned on their 'observations' by the coroner in January.

Ideally, DNA evidence should be collected from the victims (would have been done already) and again, directly from the accused. That way all the "markers" are in place. A real forensic scientist (more than one) could then establish if a proper match was present or not.

Considering that the two accused were supposedly tested and cleared in the first days of the investigation, only to be rounded up and tested again two weeks later and directly connected to the murders seems more than a little odd. No explanation for this anomaly has been made available anywhere that I can see.

If the accused can be cleared....it becomes essectial to get samples from the so called influential folks who imagine themselves to be above the law. If no match can be found there; it would seem to be back to square one.

The UK detectives would need to sort out the hard facts from all the bullshit that's been circulated...and there's lots of that to go around, and they can not allow selected individuals to be left out of a murder investigation just because they supplement the BIB's salaries and run the local booze and dope trade.

They would likely start with a lengthy list of possible suspects, and by means of proper elimination procedures. narrow it down to a shorter list of probable suspects, which would then be subjected to intense scrutiny, including new DNA testing and the authenticating of alibies etc.

One of the most bizarre aspects of this whole case is the police seemingly just accepting that university CCTV and documentation alibi without even bothering to DNA test the suspect or authenticate the so called alibi provided. There are just too many reasons not to have challenged this whole story. (as has been well documented on this, and other forums)

It's impossible to know how much of this kind of police work was conducted by the BIB because they appeared to be going off in all directions; issuing absurd statements daily, and generally giving the impression that solving the crime was not really uppermost in their minds. There is not much to suggest that any real criminal investigation was conducted at all...and with so many breaches of proper procedures right from the start; where do you begin.

There are so many stories out there, non of which can be established as accurate; and so many theories stemming from the stories and overall lack of established facts, it will take some sharp minds and good police work to unravel it all.

I wish them all the best in their efforts to nail this thing down once and for all, but knowing the Thais highly developed skills in stalling, bullshitting and obscuring everything they don't want made public....we'll have to wait and see how it goes.