Thread: Two Tourists Brutally Murdered on Koh Tao, One Raped: Police Spark Thailand Manhunt

Originally Posted by Yasojack

As with all police forces they have there own agenda.

Yes and I think the British are very good at asking awkward questions and I am sure a bit of lost in translation won't faze them either.
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Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

Sorry, but I just fail to understand why many of you appear to believe that the presence of two British coppers, who don't know the countries or languages or cultures involved, is going to make a bit of difference in this abortion of a 'case'.

They will see what the Thai want them to see, Thai translators will ensure they hear only what the Thai want them to hear, then back to Bangkok, a night on the town with their Thai cop buddies, a bauble for the missus and off they go - job done.

I think you are being very naive.

It would be great if the British police actually accomplished something. I would love to see that happen. I just don't think it will. Sadly.

^ I think the goal is to demonstrate how petty and unprofessional the Thai police are, and I'm quite sure that will be accomplished easily.

Originally Posted by PAG

David Cameron's brief statement yesterday (22 October) during Prime Minister's Question Time in the House of Commons (24:40 into the video). UK providing 'technical assistance' to Thai investigation.

Point really to note is that open questions will continue to be raised in the UK, and whilst there's obviously no way that UK police can be directly involved in the case, their eventual report will be made public, and potentially direct questions will be made in Parliament which must be responded to.

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Cameron appears totally unaware of the " observation only" caveat. Did Prattles really blatantly lie, or is this a " misunderstanding.."

May be the UK cops ain't coming out to assist with the investigation but to find out what the UK nationals involved have said in their statements. Then perhaps, an investigation back in the UK could proceed?

Originally Posted by YOrlov

Did Prattles really blatantly lie, or is this a " misunderstanding.."

You only get one guess on this.

I understand officers from the Homicide and Serious Crime Command, New Scotland Yard have been deployed. The remit in broad terms is to establish for Cameron whether or not the investigation has been conducted transparently and to assess the claims the accused were coerced. Since this will mean an analysis of the evidence gathering, examination of such evidence, sight of the police reports and witness statements and possibly an interview of the accused, I should imagine they'll do a reasonable job.

However, they will be hampered by diplomatic constraints and presumably obfuscation by the differing tiers of what may pass for the Thai police command.

Either way, they'll report accordingly.

Ultimately, if they are impeded , misled, deceived or otherwise frustrated in their enquiries then it will be for the politicians to resolve.

Certainly, they won't be going for a jolly nor are they likely to be satisfied by smiling old men in brown talking bollocks to them. I should imagine the officers deployed will be among the best.

the retraction of the confession by two Myanmar migrants who have been accused of killing the two Britons on the popular island of Koh Tao will not impact the case compilation and the prosecution because public prosecutors have been focusing on evidence and witnesses, not the confession.

Mr. Thawatchai added that, in this case, forensic evidence and reports from the medical examiners will be the most crucial elements in the filing of the case with the court.

Porntip rips Koh Tao investigation
9 October 2014
Thailand’s most-respected forensics specialist cast doubts on the police investigation into the death of two British backpackers on Koh Tao Thursday, saying investigators erred when they neglected to involve a forensic pathologist.

"The weak point (in the investigation) is that police do not understand that the case requires a forensic pathologist, so the officers who collected evidence did not call in one from Surat Thani Hospital," she said. "A case of two murdered people certainly needs a forensic physician," Khunying Porntip said.

By doing all crime-scene and victim investigation themselves, police contradicted the principles of forensic science, she added.

Khunying Porntip's criticism is only the latest blast against the three-week probe into the deaths of the two British tourists Sept 15. A series of bungles - which included allowing tourists to re-enter the crime scene before all evidence was collected -

Porntip rips Koh Tao investigation | Bangkok Post: news

i wonder if the cops will be versed on the smiles.

Are they ready for the stone wall silences and the complete and utter bullshit they will receive.

I hope they know about Thainess.

Originally Posted by Yasojack

i wonder if the cops will be versed on the smiles.

Are they ready for the stone wall silences and the complete and utter bullshit they will receive.

I hope they know about Thainess.

One thing they wil know for sure, is how to handel criminals.
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Originally Posted by Troy

I suspect that the bodies have revealed something that the Brits are keeping strictly to themselves at this moment in time.

I remember reading that the Thai police had requested a copy of the pathologist's report.

1 October 2014
Thai authorities had requested the pathologist's report.

BBC News - Thailand murders: David Miller's family thoughts for Hannah Witheridge

Originally Posted by Neverna

Originally Posted by Troy

I suspect that the bodies have revealed something that the Brits are keeping strictly to themselves at this moment in time.

I remember reading that the Thai police had requested a copy of the pathologist's report.

1 October 2014
Thai authorities had requested the pathologist's report.

BBC News - Thailand murders: David Miller's family thoughts for Hannah Witheridge

I wonder if they will translate it into Thai and pretend it was theirs (with a few additions of course)

What the British police will focus on when/if they come.

Police to examine DNA and duress claims in Thai case

18 October 2014
British detectives travelling to investigate the backpacker murders in Thailand are expected to focus on independent checks of DNA samples central to the case against two Burmese men accused of the crime and their claims to have been mistreated.


Diplomatic sources said Thailand's military ruler accepted the sending of a delegation to investigate the killing of Jerseyman David Miller and fellow British traveler Hannah Witheridge and when pressed on the issue by David Cameron during their summit meeting.

Obviously it is for the Thai authorities to lead and carry out that judicial process. But it is important that it is fair and transparent and that both of the families can be reassured that it is the murderers that have been brought to justice.
There are two areas we are particularly concerned about. One is the verification of the DNA samples of the suspects, making sure there is further independent verification. And the second is the investigation into allegations of mistreatment of the suspects. What the PM secured this morning was agreement from the Thai PM that we can send some British police investigators to Kho Tao to work with the Royal Thai Police on this.

– – DIPLOMATIC SOURCE

http://www.itv.com/news/channel/upda...-in-thai-case/

Originally Posted by YOrlov

Unfortunately it may well be Miller, in his chivalrous action made the situation such that murder was then inevitable. Hannah may well have woken the next day, raped, probably STD infected, traumatized but alive.

Explain how.

If he hadn't intervened, I believe they would not have killed her. I am convinced many many women have been raped in this manner by this gang and left to simply wake up and slink away as many rape victims will do, thinking they are to blame
His discovery necessitated both their deaths.

Originally Posted by YOrlov

If he hadn't intervened, I believe they would not have killed her. I am convinced many many women have been raped in this manner by this gang and left to simply wake up and slink away as many rape victims will do, thinking they are to blame
His discovery necessitated both their deaths.

His discovery of what?
Do you think he came across them raping her?
On what do you base this?

Originally Posted by YOrlov

Unfortunately it may well be Miller, in his chivalrous action made the situation such that murder was then inevitable. Hannah may well have woken the next day, raped, probably STD infected, traumatized but alive.

Do you have any other groundless,aimless, pointless speculation you would like to share?

It's possible that he tried to help the comatose girl and was killed in the process by the serial drug/rape gang operating from the AC bar.

Look at the wounds to his body, nothing can be ruled out until there has been a proper investigation.

This Mon Sod needs to give his DNA because the more he refuses or hides behind his family/connections the more guilty he looks.

Originally Posted by Necron99

Originally Posted by YOrlov

Unfortunately it may well be Miller, in his chivalrous action made the situation such that murder was then inevitable. Hannah may well have woken the next day, raped, probably STD infected, traumatized but alive.

Do you have any other groundless,aimless, pointless speculation you would like to share?

Actually it's reasonable speculation. Much more likely than the the two Burma boys doing it.
What would be interesting to know are the toxicology reports for both Miller and Hannah. It's pretty common for these scummy bars to slip something in your beer to incapacitate you. That would implicate the bar employees if she had Rohypnol in her system.

Ye but will they get to meet them.?

Originally Posted by septimus

Originally Posted by Yasojack

i wonder if the cops will be versed on the smiles.

Are they ready for the stone wall silences and the complete and utter bullshit they will receive.

I hope they know about Thainess.

One thing they wil know for sure, is how to handel criminals.
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Bangkok Post
October 24, 2014
Writer: Post Reporters

The parents of the Myanmar men accused of murdering British tourists Hannah Witheridge and David Miller on Koh Tao last month will meet their sons in a Koh Samui prison Friday.

Human rights advocate Surapong Kongchantuk said the parents will be accompanied by officials from the Myanmar embassy and a team of lawyers from the Lawyers Council of Thailand. Mr Surapong is also head of the council's human rights subcommittee on ethnic minorities.

The embassy was comfortable working with the council as it was a neutral organization and not affiliated to the police, he said. Mr Surapong said a representative of the Myanmar embassy expressed his concern over the case in talks on Wednesday in Bangkok.

The ambassador told him the murder case has affected the three countries involved, he said. Britain had lost two citizens, Thailand's tourism industry has been hurt, and so has the image of Myanmar, Mr Surapong said.

Mr Surapong said prosecutors may request another investigation by a new team if they find too many loopholes in the current police probe. At this stage, he added, any new evidence could be added to the case if prosecutors find it to be valid.

Meanwhile, police spokesman Pol Lt Gen Prawut Thawornsiri said Thursday that British officers arrived in Thailand on Wednesday to observe the Koh Tao murder investigation. The team comprises a Metropolitan DCI from the homicide and major crime unit, a forensic operations coordinator from the Met, and an experienced homicide detective from Norfolk police.

They may offer additional assistance if requested by Thai authorities.

Full article: Parents to visit Koh Tao duo in jail | Bangkok Post: news

Jack Reagan, Dr. Laura Hobson, Tom Barnaby

These wretched Thai people truly have no comprehension how the real world works. No one gives a flying fuck about national reputations or their stinking tourism industry.

The dumb fuckers can't comprehend the simple principle that the rule of law and justice is paramount.

Only in this shitty little spasticated country could they be content to see a gross miscarriage of justice in order to save face and a few baht.

Horrible people and so stupid with it too.