The Gun Issue thread

[barbaro]

or start a fight as Martin likely did (

Where do you get this jive turkey crap. By what "likelyhood" did Trayvon start a fight with a stranger much bigger than he is who is following him in the night?

MrG,

This is the second factual error you have made about the Zimm-Martin case.

1. Zim was not bigger than Martin. Martin was bigger.

2. No evidence that Zim was stronger. In fact it seems quite the other way around from the testimony and stats

[GR3]

or start a fight as Martin likely did (

Where do you get this jive turkey crap. By what "likelyhood" did Trayvon start a fight with a stranger much bigger than he is who is following him in the night? Because idiots with ideologies have to twist logic to confrom to their world view that, if black people are walking in nice neighborhoods, they deserve to be shot. I grew up in this country with plenty of racists in the family. I know of where I speak.

"I know of where I speak." Should that not be "I know of what I speak" just asking?

[panama hat]

or start a fight as Martin likely did (

Where do you get this jive turkey crap. By what "likelyhood" did Trayvon start a fight with a stranger much bigger than he is who is following him in the night?

MrG,

This is the second factual error you have made about the Zimm-Martin case.

1. Zim was not bigger than Martin. Martin was bigger.

2. No evidence that Zim was stronger. In fact it seems quite the other way around from the testimony and stats

The point made was how do you know Trayvon started a fight? You know, the 17-year old.
(Do you have any links regarding the physical size of both?

[hazz]

^^
Spoken like a true card-carrying member of the TDMA!

The movement to 'regain' the country is continued exposure of the seditious 'progressive' programs that infest the country. Discontinue the schools meals such a Mooch's which the kids hate. Rejection of that train wreck of Obmacare. Voter ID laws enforced and repudiation of all the intrusive actions of this empty suit referred to as The Messiah.

btw, he's a lame-duck with 3.5 years to go. Good luck with that...

There you go again, faced with a real serious issue, like the five year old you have degenerated into; you post yet another silly little picture with a comforting soundbit. And this why your country is so fucked up and why its wondering around fucking up countries all over the world; if an issue needs more than 10 words to explain, it flies right over your head and you start running on gut instinct and faith.... and this is how the rich and political classes get people like you to hand the keys of power to them so they can fuck you over even more than they already have.

But to put the issue into terms you can understand. According toa report that you posted

less than 2% of gun owning Americans used firearms to protect themselves from violent crime

So to put it in terms your inner 5 year old an unerderstand...

as a result of your US gun culture

for every good guy using a gun to save 1 life,

bad guys kill 25
Accidents and suicides kill another 45....

and as a result of fact checking your slogan posts about countries disarming civilian populations causing gun crime to escalate; we hve discovered that the opposite is true, that disarming a civilian population removes guns from criminals, hence the similar non-firearm homicide rates between the US and UK. Taking this reality into account... for each life your gun culture saves, 100 die as a result of gun crime and 45 die from accidents and suicides......

Clearly guns are creating the very problem that causes you to feel the need to have one; a cure thats a 100 times worse than the disease. Thats why the NRA have succesfully lobbied to ban almost reaserch into the effect of guns in america. The last thing they ever want any of yo chaps to do is actually thiink about the issue beond a sound bit, and they have succeeded.

[Morden]

or start a fight as Martin likely did (

Where do you get this jive turkey crap. By what "likelyhood" did Trayvon start a fight with a stranger much bigger than he is who is following him in the night?

MrG,

This is the second factual error you have made about the Zimm-Martin case.

1. Zim was not bigger than Martin. Martin was bigger.

2. No evidence that Zim was stronger. In fact it seems quite the other way around from the testimony and stats

And was the cheap supermarket gun hidden up his jacksie of no advantage to Zimmerman?

[Balance]

Moved this from the Zimmerman case thread. It's another case of a white man killing a black kid. In this case, the issue of when old people should lose their right to own guns should be an issue as well- at least that's my opinion.

Enjoy...

Another white guy kills a 13-year old black kid.



Video shows Spooner shooting Darius Simmons - YouTube



Video shows white Milwaukee man shooting black teen as mother watches | The Raw Story

[Balance]

Republicans won't ban gun sales to terrorists.

House Republicans reject proposal to ban gun sales to suspected terrorists | The Raw Story




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[panama hat]

Moved this from the Zimmerman case thread. It's another case of a white man killing a black kid. In this case, the issue of when old people should lose their right to own guns should be an issue as well- at least that's my opinion.

Enjoy...

Another white guy kills a 13-year old black kid.



Video shows Spooner shooting Darius Simmons - YouTube



Video shows white Milwaukee man shooting black teen as mother watches | The Raw Story

Clearly self-defense by the white guy . . . or so the knuckledraggers would have it


Ah, guns . . . don't they just make life safer for all of us!

[Boon Mee]

Ah, guns . . . don't they just make life safer for all of us!

It's just a tool there rocker...

[MrG]

or start a fight as Martin likely did (

Where do you get this jive turkey crap. By what "likelyhood" did Trayvon start a fight with a stranger much bigger than he is who is following him in the night?

MrG,

This is the second factual error you have made about the Zimm-Martin case.

1. Zim was not bigger than Martin. Martin was bigger.

2. No evidence that Zim was stronger. In fact it seems quite the other way around from the testimony and stats

1. Travon was 6'3" 140 Lbs. ( without the gun, I presume.)
Geoge was at the time of his killing 5'9" 250 Lbs. Now you tell me: Who is bigger in a fight--weight over height. I think most people would go for weight. (eg. they divide fighters and wrestlers into weight classes, not height classes.
2. There is no evidence that I said Zimmerman was stronger. You're inventing/seeing things again.
That makes two factual errors by you in one post alone, but who is counting?

[barbaro]

or start a fight as Martin likely did (

Where do you get this jive turkey crap. By what "likelyhood" did Trayvon start a fight with a stranger much bigger than he is who is following him in the night?

MrG,

This is the second factual error you have made about the Zimm-Martin case.

1. Zim was not bigger than Martin. Martin was bigger.

2. No evidence that Zim was stronger. In fact it seems quite the other way around from the testimony and stats

1. Travon was 6'3" 140 Lbs. ( without the gun, I presume.)

Geoge was at the time of his killing 5'9" 250 Lbs. Now you tell me: Who is bigger in a fight--weight over height. I think most people would go for weight. (eg. they divide fighters and wrestlers into weight classes, not height classes.

2. There is no evidence that I said Zimmerman was stronger. You're inventing/seeing things again.

That makes two factual errors by you in one post alone, but who is counting?

Zimmerman did not weigh 250 lbs. at the time of the assault and shooting. He gained this weight because of stress afterwards.

George Michael Zimmerman
October 5, 1983 (age 29)
Manassas, Virginia
Ethnicity Hispanic
Height 5 ft 7 in (1.70 m)
Weight 185 pounds (84 kg)[Note 2]

MartinHeight
5 ft 11 in (1.80 m)
[Note 1]
Weight 158 pounds (72 kg)[Note 1]

Taller, younger, more agile, and a longer reach.

Regardless, if you assault someone in the US and get the on the ground in a ground and pound position, punching in the face with causes injury to face and head without an exit, you may get shot.

As this is the gun issue thread, many states have CCW permit laws. Martin should not have attacked, and instead called the police.

Moot point now, obviously.

Source - Shooting of Trayvon Martin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[MrG]

Literally tens of thousands of publications and media outlets have reported that George Zimmerman weighed 250 pounds and Trayvon Martin weighed 140 pounds.
The weight of 250 pounds for George Zimmerman was based on a police report that was over six years old. He has since lost a lot of weight. Newer pictures of Zimmerman show a much slimmer man.

http://www.examiner.com/article/george-zimmerman-weighs-170-trayvon-martin-160
I stand corrected.

As this is the gun issue thread, many states have CCW permit laws. Martin should not have attacked, and instead called the police.

By what stretch of the imagination did Martin attack? The killers word, I suppose. The killer approached, Travon stood his ground. If he were black with the same evidence, would you believe him...a black man with a gun just standing his ground?
Justice nullification by an all white jury in a racist southern town out to send a message: we can kill you if you want. Jim Crow is back.

[Boon Mee]

^
Posting that stuff in the wrong thread there, G. BTW, even the lovely Jantel has mentioned that she believes little Trayvon attacked first so there we are...

[harrybarracuda]

Looks like that picture was cropped.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

I don't think loonies who shoot kids in schools count as "a well regulated militia".

[robuzo]

^
Posting that stuff in the wrong thread there, G. BTW, even the lovely Jantel has mentioned that she believes little Trayvon attacked first so there we are...

We'll, since there's drones an' all around now maybe we'd better start considerin' shoulder-fired missiles to be arms, too: Deer Trail to vote on whether to legalize hunting drones - The Denver Post

No idea why these dummies think you can drop a drone with a 12 gauge. Anyhow, why does the 2nd Amendment under the gun-fetishist interpretation stop at firearms? Maybe I need a hand grenade. A buddy of mine in Virginia had a really cool (live) grenade collection, until he went off his meds and got locked up in a mental hospital (great guy when on his meds). He had the coolest little French-made grenade you could hide in palm of your hand. . .but I digress.

[Morden]

Looks like that picture was cropped.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

I don't think loonies who shoot kids in schools count as "a well regulated militia".

Where is there any 'well regulated militia' in the US?

[panama hat]

Looks like that picture was cropped.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

I don't think loonies who shoot kids in schools count as "a well regulated militia".

That's the part these defenders of 'values' ignore

[robuzo]

Looks like that picture was cropped.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

I don't think loonies who shoot kids in schools count as "a well regulated militia".

Where is there any 'well regulated militia' in the US?

There were the slave patrols:
The Second Amendment was Ratified to Preserve Slavery
The real reason the Second Amendment was ratified, and why it says "State" instead of "Country" (the Framers knew the difference - see the 10th Amendment), was to preserve the slave patrol militias in the southern states, which was necessary to get Virginia's vote. Founders Patrick Henry, George Mason, and James Madison were totally clear on that . . . and we all should be too.

[barbaro]

[QUOTE=MrG;2511725]

As this is the gun issue thread, many states have CCW permit laws. Martin should not have attacked, and instead called the police.

By what stretch of the imagination did Martin attack? The killers word, I suppose. The killer approached, Travon stood his ground. If he were black with the same evidence, would you believe him...a black man with a gun just standing his ground?
Justice nullification by an all white jury in a racist southern town out to send a message: we can kill you if you want. Jim Crow is back.

Again, I do not see this case as about race. Is Sanford a racist town? Where is the valid data on that. What was the sample size? Margin of error.

We can choose to believe Zim or not. He claims he was ambushed.

This is not a case of nullification at all. Read the FL statute on 2nd degree murder. You can google it.

The eye-witness testimony and forensics killed any chance for a 2nd degree murder conviction and I am sure the prosecutor knew that before the trial started.

The only chance was for manslaughter.

And (again) the eye-witness testimony and forensic evidence said it all.

[Mr Earl]

2. No evidence that Zim was stronger. In fact it seems quite the other way around from the testimony and stats.

1. Travon was 6'3" 140 Lbs. ( without the gun, I presume.)
Geoge was at the time of his killing 5'9" 250 Lbs. Now you tell me: Who is bigger in a fight--weight over height. I think most people would go for weight. (eg. they divide fighters and wrestlers into weight classes, not height classes.
2. There is no evidence that I said Zimmerman was stronger. You're inventing/seeing things again.
That makes two factual errors by you in one post alone, but who is counting?

Having grown up in Wash. DC and had much contact with Negroes of the city, I can say for a fact that they mature physically much earlier than their flabby TV baby Caucasian counterparts. Us little white boys avoided the Negroes whenever we could as encounters with then usually led to some injury to us whiteys. The environment was indeed hostile, and this was back in late sixties.
6'3" seventeen years old Martin was in his prime physical condition. Not some helpless teenager as the media would have you believe.

[panama hat]

6'3" seventeen years old Martin was in his prime physical condition. Not some helpless teenager as the media would have you believe.

Not doubting your experiences . . . can't relate, though, as our town didn't have a black family in it - probably still doesn't - and it's close to Detroit.

However, please stick to the facts as Trayvon keeps getting taller in some peopel's eyes. He was measured 5'11 in the morgue.

Lots of 5'11, 17-year old white boys around, too.

[MrG]

6'3" seventeen years old Martin was in his prime physical condition. Not some helpless teenager as the media would have you believe.

Not the point. It's the gun, stupid. Trayvon, unarmed, was followed and confronted in the night by a man with a gun, who then shot him and claimed self-defense. You're implication is that Martin was a just a flabby white boy, defensless. Unless the white boy has a gun. If that's not Jim Crow America, I don't know what is.

[barbaro]

6'3" seventeen years old Martin was in his prime physical condition. Not some helpless teenager as the media would have you believe.

Not the point. It's the gun, stupid. Trayvon, unarmed, was followed and confronted in the night by a man with a gun, who then shot him and claimed self-defense

There is no evidence that Zim confronted Martin.

Zim claims he was ambushed. Depends on whether you believe him or not.

But forensics prove it was self-defense.

Martin was on top in MMA style in the ground and pound position punching and slamming or both.

Again, no evidence of Zim confronting Martin. He was following him from a distance.

[MrG]

But forensics prove it was self-defense. Martin was on top in MMA style in the ground and pound position punching and slamming or both.

Forensics proved nothing of the sort. What absolute bollox.
This is a gun issue thread. If you want to defend your friend "Zim", the killer, take it to the appropriate thread.

[Mr Earl]

This is a gun issue thread. If you want to defend your friend "Zim", the killer, take it to the appropriate thread.

So according to you just the fact Zimmerman was carrying a firearm establishes guilt of second degree murder. Interesting logic you couldn't possibly defend in front of a rational audience, like the trial jury who acquitted Zimmerman based on physical evidence.

The mythology of the skittle eating angel doesn't correspond to reality my fiendish friend who will defend the illogical and the improbable and the impossible to the extreme.
Cumbaya amigo, peace love and self protection.