Thread: US marine in Subic Bay Ladyboy slaying identified

^ Payoffs????

The US military doesn't give a shit about this guy.
He'll spend 25 years in Leavenworth by which time the Flippas will have forgotten about him.

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

I have to totally disagree.

As I said I’m usually wrong- but, I believe it is in the interest of both countries to get this out of the news. I believe steps are being taken to quiet or silence this.

Davis your knowledge of the situation is superior and you have a bird’s eye view of what’s going on. Please, keep us up to date.

Originally Posted by Necron99

The US military doesn't give a shit about this guy.

Correct - The US Military doesn't care about Pemberton - they do care about the situation - so, they will take steps necessary to minimize the impact on their reputation.

The VFA does represent a great deal of money and those who benefit from that cash cow will take any steps necessary to protect it.

Pemberton was moved today by helicopter from his ship to the main Filipino military camp in Manila, where he will be incarcerated, in Filipino military custody, throughout the trial.

So why did the Americans do that then? Do they have to? What is the general Filipina Army view of their American buddies? Will he have a tough time in there or would they more likely take a dim view of Jeffrey Laude?

He will be detained in a private, air-conditioned trailer. The scenario suggested by Bowie, where the US slipped him out of the country, would have been exactly what the protesters wanted, would have meant the end of VFA, and possibly a break in relations between the two countries.

This move is a good faith gesture by the US to show the Filipinos that the US is living up to the agreement, and more. It should defuse the protests as well.

Pemberton from small town New Bedford, Massachusetts. Doubtful he had experienced full on asian red light action before, and there might be some value in the thought that he really did not know She was a He. Jeffrey brushes up not too shabby for an ugly bloke, and if he turned on the charm to the drunk Marine sexing it up, he might have fallen for it. Wouldn't be the first time a bunch of lads had watched one of their own traipsing off with a ladyboy laughing their arses off behind his back.

This move by the US also frees up the Peleliu to leave, and get back to its normal duties.

I just couldn't see that vessel sitting off the coast for months while this trial dragged on. A good move all around.

Pemberton will be quite safe in Filipino military custody. The Filipinos would suffer a huge loss of face should anything happen to him while in their custody.

Accommodations will have been checked out by the US Embassy, from whom he will receive regular visits.

Sorry 'bout the chow.

Just saw this.

The prison van in which he is held will be guarded by US Marines. The outer compound surrounding the van will be guarded by Filipino military.

Well thought out.

Philippine President just told the protestors to shut up about claims Pemberton was getting special treatment.

President said, "If anything, he's getting negative special treatment". "The preliminary investigation has just begun. If Pemberton was a Filipino, accused of the same crime, he would be out on bail, free, at least until the conclusion of the prelimanary investigation." The US is not only meetings its obligations per the VFA, it is exceeding them."

It won't have much of an impact on the vocal, fringe groups with an agenda, but it should be more than enough to more than satisfy the Filipino public.

Well played.

As predicted, the fringe groups continue to scream, claiming that Pemberton should be thrown into a civilian prison (despite his not being convicted, or even charged).

The Kraut gay guy, along with the dead guy's family, continue to wallow in their rapidly diminishing moment in the limelight, making the long drive from Olongapo to the Quezon City military base where they, accompanied by a feeding frenzy of tabloid press, attempted to gain access to the area in which Pemberton is being held.

Obviously, they failed, but one of the dead guy's sisters did climb the fence, with Filipino military guards standing on the other side. Good shots for the family album.

Kraut Gay bloke sounds like a keeper for this family. Willing to publicly humiliate himself in his devotion to a male prostitute and no doubt fund the whole operation as well. Jeffrey's dad best get a wig on and start sucking his cock more - he needs to stay wed to that freak show of a family.

Seems very strange how this guy is going to be protected by marines, is he really worth the hassle.?

Or is the US just playing the game as they want something from the flip flops?

Originally Posted by Yasojack

Seems very strange how this guy is going to be protected by marines, is he really worth the hassle.?

Or is the US just playing the game as they want something from the flip flops?

They are not protecting him so much as they are the relationship.
He doesn't need to be there, it's just better logistically as they can release the ship. He is supposed to be under US control as per the agreement.
If a Flippa beat him or killed him in custody it would reflect poorly on both the Flippas and the Marines.
Remembering, he isn't guilty yet.

^Indeed. Not only not guilty at this point, but not charged with any crime at all. There were no eye witnesses to the crime. There are only witness statements leading to circumstantial evidence.

If there is hard evidence, like DNA or something else, they are playing it close to the chest at this point.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

there might be some value in the thought that he really did not know She was a He.

There's not only no value in it, there's actually negative value in it.

A defence that his actions were predicated on a gender error makes this a Hate Crime.

Americans take a dimmer view of Hate Crime murders than other killings.

Google 'the murder of Larry King' for a case study of how a 14 year old boy got tried as an adult (and received a 21 year sentence) for killing a fellow male pupil who was flirting with him.

Originally Posted by The Ghost Of The Moog

Originally Posted by pseudolus

there might be some value in the thought that he really did not know She was a He.

There's not only no value in it, there's actually negative value in it.

A defence that his actions were predicated on a gender error makes this a Hate Crime..

Would that be like meeting someone in bar, finding you have common interests, inviting him over to have beers and watch the thanksgiving NFL game with your family and then killing him because you suddenly realize he is a Negro?

This pre-trial and trial detention set-up works well for the US. With the case of Marine Daniel Smith, he was detained inside the US Embassy for around three years, until it was proven that the charges were totally fabricated. It was a logistical nightmare for the Embassy.

In this case, the Filipinos are glad to have him, and the US is glad that the Filipinos have to deal with his incarceration during the trial.

I presume the US Marines guarding him are Marine brig guards borrowed from the Peleliu.

Where he serves his time, if convicted, will be another question...to be dealt with later.

Davis;

What does the Filipino press expect the charges to be and what is the "typical" sentence for expected charges?

Are comparisons being made concerning Pemberton being a foreigner and what the sentence should be?

Also, is there past instances of a Filipino killing a ladyboy and what crime and punishment occurred in past cases?

Any history you know of?

Thanks.

^ I wondered about that myself. Years ago there was a case where an American soldier raped a Japanese girl in Okinawa. The Japanese screamed for him to be tried in a Japanese court. To their chagrin, the penalty the soldier received from the Japanese court was far less severe than what he would if prosecuted by the US.

That is the last I heard of a US servicemen being tried in Japan.

Originally Posted by bowie

Davis;

What does the Filipino press expect the charges to be and what is the "typical" sentence for expected charges?

Are comparisons being made concerning Pemberton being a foreigner and what the sentence should be?

Also, is there past instances of a Filipino killing a ladyboy and what crime and punishment occurred in past cases?

Any history you know of?

Thanks.

No idea. Hard to predict what the charge will be when the preliminary investigation has only just started. There were no eyewitnesses to what happened in that hotel room. I don't see how it can be a charge of premeditated murder though.

I can't guess at the sentence, if convicted, as I don't know what he's going to be charged with.

I have no idea if Filipinos have killed ladyboys before - I would guess it's likely.

The USG does very little, like most governments, to support citizens charged with crimes while abroad. The one thing they do focus on is that the US citizen receives a sentence the same as a local would for a similar crime. The Filipino government is well aware of this. I don't expect this case to be any different.

Just saw on TV that it wasn't just the dead guy's sister, but also the Kraut fag, who climbed the fence trying to get into the guarded facility. Fat bastard had a hard time of it. Filipino military is being very correct - hard to believe they didn't arrest Herr Fag and deport him. Which the vocal 100 or so protestors would have loved.

Wonder if, when he leaves in a few days, they'll ban him from ever reentering?

I am surprised they left Pemberton in the PI, I fully expected when the USS Peleliu left Pemberton would be returned to the US with a promise to return to the PI for trial, then courts martialed and incarcerated in the US believing the Courts Martial sentence, presented to the Filipino’s, would satisfy them.

Anyway that was my flawed expectation. And, as I’ve always said – I’m usually wrong.

For his legal defense, I expect he will be assigned a Judge Advocate. who will work with a Philippines legal team to handle his defense in the PI. I wonder if a legal defense fund for his benefit will be established?

I hope, for his sake, that a fair and reasonable sentence is adjudged, and that sometime in the future, he may be able to atone and possibly salvage what remains of his time on earth. It is understood that he took another human beings life. He will have to carry that to his judgment day - may God have mercy on his soul.


On another note referencing the pictures provided above. Amazing the beatification provided by well placed bags of silicon. Add the dimly lit conditions and the beer goggle enhancements - she does look like one of them "lady-of-the-night" liberty trophies - albeit, in truth a most well camouflaged deception.

And perhaps, if he hadn't checked, he may well have walked away with bragging rights and his great PI liberty story about the most fantastic blowjob he had gotten, never being the wiser.

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

hard to believe they didn't arrest Herr Fag and deport him

'tis the inherent compassion of the Filipino's...