Thread: US marine in Subic Bay Ladyboy slaying identified

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

Surprised his Facebook page is still up. And one more time, he was post-op (not the jarhead, the other "he").

Ah ha - Maybe he got disappointed when instead of the meat and two veg he was hoping for, he instead was confronted with cunny that looked like melted candle. That would be enough to make a closest shifter mad.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

Surprised his Facebook page is still up. And one more time, he was post-op (not the jarhead, the other "he").

Ah ha - Maybe he got disappointed when instead of the meat and two veg he was hoping for, he instead was confronted with cunny that looked like melted candle. That would be enough to make a closest shifter mad.

Nonetheless...
Som Nom Na.

Now the tranny's German fiance has come forward to say how wonderful he was and that they were going to get married next month. Weirder and weirder.....

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

And one more time, he was post-op

Save your breath, Davis.

That just doesn't fit the heartless, puerile narrative re-construction needed here.

so post op, would it still be able to fake it when it came?

Philippine police accuse US Marine in murder case

Posted: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 11:16 am | Updated: 12:00 pm, Wed Oct 15, 2014.

Associated Press

|MANILA, Philippines (AP) — Philippine police filed a murder complaint Wednesday against a U.S. Marine accused of killing a transgender Filipino, in an emotional case expected to test the country's military ties with the United States.
Police Chief Inspector Gil Domingo said Marine Pfc. Joseph Scott Pemberton was the last person seen with the victim late Saturday, when they checked into a motel after meeting in a bar in Olongapo city northwest of Manila.
Jennifer Laude, whose former name was Jeffrey, was found with her head resting on the motel room's toilet bowl, apparently after being drowned, Domingo said. The criminal complaint was filed with prosecutors, who will decide formal charges. There was no immediate comment from the U.S. Embassy.
A number of witnesses told investigators they saw Laude, 26, and Pemberton at the bar and at the motel, where the Marine was seen leaving shortly before the victim was found dead, Domingo said.
Police suspect Pemberton may have been angered when he discovered in the motel room that Laude was a transgender individual or because of an argument sparked by other reasons. Laude had not undergone gender reassignment surgery, Domingo said.

Philippine police accuse US Marine in murder case - The Exponent Telegram : Headlines

Originally Posted by blue

Laude had not undergone gender reassignment surgery, Domingo said.

Oh bloody hell. So, the shifter wanted a cunny on his manoid but was dismayed when he found a cock.

It matters not though - he killed him and that is the pertinent point.

Had the Marine seen active service do we know?

^^I stand corrected. The TV reports appear to have been incorrect. That makes it even stranger, as two used condoms were found in the hotel room.

^No.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Had the Marine seen active service do we know?

Do you mean in the Marines or in the Motel?

^Two used condoms in the hotel room trash can...somebody saw some active duty. But who?

Disgust at what he had just done triggered his murder death kill chip the Marines installed in him. A verdict of "boys will be boys" expected.

^I would tend to agree that post-coital disgust could have triggered the attack.

I believe you are very, very wrong in your prediction of the probable verdict.

This kid is going to get hit hard. My prediction......he will be found guilty of second-degree murder or manslaughter and get twenty years or so.

But where? He's currently on USS Peleliu so will he ever see the inside of a Philippine prison?

It's a tough call. And the subject of a lot of speculation and drum-banging out here right now.

As I read the terms of the VFA, the Filipinos get to try him.

Where he serves his time, if convicted, will be the subject of future negotiations.

My wife believes if he is sent to a Filipino prison, he won't last long. I tend to agree.

My guess. We let the Filipinos try him, but he remains in custody on board the ship during the trial.

If convicted, the US attempts to get Filipino agreement to have him incarcerated in a federal prison in the US.

The Filipino government would likely agree to the above, as they won't want the hassle of dealing with a high-profile and high-risk prisoner for years.

As for Gabriella and the Communist student groups, nothing will satisfy them other than a departure forever of all US military.

In the decade-old case of Marine Lance Corporal Daniel Smith, tried and convicted of the rape of a known prostitute in what was clearly a frame-up, he was tried and convicted in a Filipino court. He was incarcerated in the Makati City jail for a few weeks, then turned over to the US Embassy where he was held in prison-like conditions for almost two years, at which time the alleged victim recanted her testimony and flew off to the US with her shiny new visa to marry another Marine.

I just talked to a friend who was in Angeles City for the monthly meeting of retired US Special Forces personnel. There were five of them at a table when the initial report came over the TV. In near unison, they all said "Marine".

After this case, I think it will be a very, very long time before a Marine ever again sets foot on shore for liberty here.

Filipino social media has turned more against the victim since his German fiance went public. While all want the Marine to be judged, more and more comments slam the victim as a gay prostitute, a money-grubber cheating on her fiance, etc.

Flips love a good soap opera.

How transparent/comparable is the Philppines trial system? Jury trial, representaion etc. This can't be the first time a US serviceman has faced a trial under Philippines jurisdiction?
I'm not having a go at the US discipline record here, but the services have quite a long history of duty in the Philippines.

Looks like you are on the ball as usual Davis.

(Reuters) - The United States will keep custody of a Marine named as a suspect in the murder of a transgender Filipino he met in a bar,
the head of the Philippine military said on Tuesday, with one U.S. warship staying on during the investigation of the crime.
The commander of U.S. Pacific Command this week ordered the USS Peleliu and another warship to stay in the former U.S. base of Subic Bay until after the end of the investigation into the murder of Jeffrey Laude, 26, who was found strangled on Saturday in nearby Olongapo City.
U.S. troops have been taking part in a 10-day military exercise with the Philippines. Four other U.S. ships in Subic Bay that were not part of the exercise were allowed to leave.
"Under the Visiting Forces Agreement, the custody of the erring soldier stays with the Americans," General Gregorio Catapang said after meeting the U.S. Pacific commander, Admiral Samuel Locklear.
Foreign ministry official Eduardo Oban, the executive director of the Visiting Forces Agreement Commission, said one U.S. warship could leave the Philippines but the other, the USS Peleliu, would stay on during the investigation by police and the U.S. naval criminal investigation service.
A murder case could be filed against the American soldier as early as Wednesday, a police source said, adding that authorities were waiting for completion of a post-mortem report.
The Philippines will have criminal jurisdiction, Catapang added, meaning that local courts would try the serviceman.
He said the region's two oldest security allies met on Tuesday to finalise more than 400 military activities next year under a mutual defence treaty, focussing on maritime security and humanitarian assistance and disaster response operations.
"This will not affect our relationship with the United States, inasmuch as the offence was not committed during the Balikatan or Phiblex exercise but during an administrative break for that soldier," he said, in a reference to the exercise.
The case was also discussed when Catapang and Locklear met Philippine Defence Secretary Voltaire Gazmin.
At that meeting, Locklear offered his regrets for the unfortunate incident, expressed sympathy with the victim's family, and sought a full investigation, Catapang said.
The U.S. Navy Times said a U.S. Marine was in the custody of American military officials aboard the USS Peleliu in connection with the case.
The Philippine government should take custody of the serviceman, however, said a nationalist group that opposes a new 10-year defence cooperation pact signed by Manila and Washington in April.
The Philippine government was protecting American interests, not its own sovereignty, it said.
"Our proposal is simple," said the group's leader, Renato Reyes. "Surrender the American soldier to Philippine authorities, then allow all U.S. ships and military personnel to leave and never come back."
Presidential spokesman Herminio Coloma assured the family of Laude, who also went by the name Jennifer, that the Philippine government would make every effort to secure justice.
"Our government is fully committed to ensure that the rights of our citizens are properly protected," he added.

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

I just talked to a friend who was in Angeles City for the monthly meeting of retired US Special Forces personnel.

Fly on the wall anyone?

The Philippines was a US colony for about fifty years. US troops were based at Clark Field in Angeles City (Air Force) for almost 90 years. US troops (Navy/Marines) were based in Subic Bay in Olongapo for almost 100 years.

In a high-profile case such as this,the Philippine judicial system should move along quickly and be transparent.

Unlike the Smith case, which had huge holes in the case, this one looks to be one that will be quickly concluded.

Jumping the gun here a bit, no cause of death yet, saying possible drowning, could be natural causes, drugs or something.
Could have kacked it in the act, or after the marine left, not a lot of evidence so far.

^What a load of crap. Not up to your usual. Yep, he strangled himself, then stuck his head down the toilet. All this in the 15 minutes from when the Marine left and the hotel guy went up to check since the Marine left without paying the bill.

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

^What a load of crap. Not up to your usual. Yep, he strangled himself, then stuck his head down the toilet. All this in the 15 minutes from when the Marine left and the hotel guy went up to check since the Marine left without paying the bill.

Strangulation would leave bruising, no mention of bruising that I have read.
Will wait for the postmortem before I call murder.

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Jumping the gun here a bit, no cause of death yet, saying possible drowning, could be natural causes, drugs or something.
Could have kacked it in the act, or after the marine left, not a lot of evidence so far.

Coroners report says "death by asphyxiation due to drowning". Given that the police report says he had strangulation marks around his neck, and his head stuffed into the toilet bowl until he drowned, I kind of doubt it was natural causes or suicide.

This isn't Thailand.

I think it is a safe bet this was Murder, Jim.