Thread: US marine in Subic Bay Ladyboy slaying identified

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

Davis, the USMC could (probably will) conduct an inquiry/ investigation (military tribunal) which could pass an additional sentence.
Do you believe that scenario will become evident after a civilian court's verdict in PI ?

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

^I don't really know. I am not a lawyer. I think repeat think that he could be tried again under UCMJ after completing his foreign sentence. I doubt, if he had served a 20 year sentence administered by a Filipino court, that UCMJ would pile on again. But I really don't know.

I believe that a Courts Martial is inevitable. The Marine Corps will give him a Dishonorable Discharge. I don't think a Bad Conduct Discharge will even be considered.

Davis, PeeCoffee, nor am I a lawyer, and I haven't been in uniform in more than thirty years so my information is somewhat dated, but, I believe a courts martial must be convened for any discharge less than an administrative or general discharge.

^I think that's the least of his problems right now.

^^ The problem is that in the courts martial he will be tried a second time. If the sentence handed down by the Philippines Court is not severe enough in the eyes of the US military he will be sentenced again. No double jeopardy protection under the UCMJ. Again, I'm not a lawyer.

Originally Posted by chassamui

Surely the finding of the Philippines court is sufficient to discharge him dishonourably on a simple administrative grounds?

Chas, I don't know, again my info is dated, but, it all has to do with benefits and responsibilities. As he served in uniform the United States of America has legal responsibilities to him. The responsibility to the uniformed member is forfeited under a Bad Conduct or Dishonorable Discharge.

^He's going to be found guilty of homicide, at a minimum. If so, he's going to serve twenty years in a Filipino prison under the terms of the VFA, unless the Filipinos waive that and allow the US to incarcerate him.

In any event, he will get a dishonorable discharge from the Marines.

He has only been in the Marines for a year. There is no question of any benefits due him.

After 20 years in a US or Filipino prison, and as a convicted felon with a Dishonorable Discharge, there is no point in trying him again under UCMJ, and they won't do it.

Thanks for the reply Bowie. I just think the lad will be made an example of in order to satisfy the Philippine people, and the US will support it to prevent jeopardising the agreement.
A lot depends on how good his brief is. If the US system demands CM then it will happen.

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Originally Posted by The Ghost Of The Moog

The severity of the charge will depend on what he says.

If he does say

'I saw a cock. I flipped and decided to give it a damn good thrashing.'

Then murder is the charge that a decent prosecutor would aim for. It's a hate crime.

'A fight started when I refused to pay for her vaginalessness'...he stands a better chance.

It's not the USA and no federal US law has been broken, so how a hate crime.
It's the Philippians, different legal system, doubt they have hate crimes, no premeditation, no murder charge.

Premeditation is something that can be formed in an instant.

'I'm going to drive my car over that protestor lying in the road'
'I'm going to grab that woman's handbag and push her on the railway lines."

Both of those are murder.

And even if you are very, very angry while you are doing it, unless you can convince a jury that the voices that spake unto you left you in no doubt whatsoever that what you were doing was not wrong or insane (which is very hard to do, unless you have some proof of previous mental debility), then a murder charge is worth pursuing.

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

There is no hate crime legislation in the Philippines.

Just shows that these Asian countries in some ways are more advanced than the west;
they have equality under the law, whereas USA and UK discriminate and favour homosexuals and immigrants over normal and indigenous people .

Also thank goodness they also have innocent until proven guilty legislation..
Unlike TD members who can't wait for nightfall so they can light their torches, form a mob,and head out..
.
Who knows what might have happened in the hotel ?
Eg

The 2nd transvestite, going by the misnomer 'Barbie' , may have entered the room after the marine left, argued with Mr jeffery laude over a cut of the money, a fight ensued leading to the death ...

or

The maid entered the room and a fight ensued over something, leading to the death .

or
Mr jeffery laude, was building up to its highlight of the night, its thrill at revealing its penis, and awaiting the look of horror on the clients face .
However the marine was totally unfazed and just laughed at the transvestites small pecker.
In a rage, the gay, then grabbed the marines wallet and tried to stuff it down the toilet , a struggle ensued with the homosexual getting accidentally strangled to death . No great loss.

Shame that a gay male wearing a dress can cause so much badness:
The ill will between 2 friendly countries .
The loss of income to the normal hookers , bar staff , shops , short time hotels etc ,all those people going short, because a greedy homosexual wasn't satisfied with the money the German mug was sending every month , and was too lazy to get a job .

It would have been funny if several gay benefactor 'boyfriends',. had turned up at the funeral as most of these weirdos gay prostitutes have several fat western fools on the go at once.

Suselbeck charged with ‘gross arrogance, disrespect’

Marc Suselbeck, the German boyfriend of slain transgender Jeffrey ‘Jennifer’ Laude, collapses at the NAIA Sunday. AP




MANILA, Philippines - Slain transgender Jeffrey “Jennifer” Laude’s German boyfriend was charged yesterday with gross arrogance and serious disrespect to Filipino authorities before the Bureau of Immigration (BI).
However, Marc Suselbeck did not appear before the BI Legal Department to answer the charges.
Lawyers representing him made an entry of appearance and left their addresses.
BI spokesman Elaine Tan said lawyers Romel Bagares and Ethel Avisado of the Roque and Butuyan Law office went to the BI head office in Intramuros, Manila at around 11 a.m. yesterday.
“They requested that if the Board of Special Inquiry (BSI) would have future directives or orders, they should send it to them,” she said.
The Legal Department would endorse the case to the BSI headed by lawyer Vicente Uncad.

Headlines ( Article MRec ), pagematch: 1, sectionmatch: 1

Suselbeck was seen in Olongapo attending the preliminary investigation on the murder case against US Marine Joseph Scott Pemberton.
His lawyers have yet to submit their counter-memorandum in the deportation case against him before

the BI, even as the BSI has yet to schedule a date for the hearing.

Suselbeck charged with ?gross arrogance, disrespect? | Headlines, News, The Philippine Star | philstar.com

They should house him in a secure shed in the German embassy compound till his case comes up .

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

many good Catholics in PI that take Jesus 'turn the other check' to heart

Usually, it is cash, but indeed it is all about the money...Heh...Freud loves ya...

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

Where he lost the mob was in his total disregard for his clients, the family and the Kraut, in his moves to keep himself and his agenda in the headlines.

Would make a good case for "the Kraut" to claim bad representation...

Originally Posted by blue

Unlike TD members who can't wait for nightfall so they can light their torches, form a mob,and head out..

Can you buy these torches at Tesco?...An old man in the village makes them, but he has run out...

charged yesterday with gross arrogance and serious disrespect to Filipino authorities before[at]

Are those even real crimes?

Lol

Originally Posted by kingwilly

charged yesterday with gross arrogance and serious disrespect to Filipino authorities before[at]

Are those even real crimes?

Lol

Beat me to it, what an excellently worded set of charges, "Gross arrogance and serious disrespect"!

^

On a light note,

He should be able to plea bargain the charges down to "minor conceit and intentional insult"

I like tat very much. Mad I larf.

Originally Posted by blue

Mr jeffery laude, was building up to its highlight of the night, its thrill at revealing its penis, and awaiting the look of horror on the clients face .
However the marine was totally unfazed and just laughed at the transvestites small pecker.
In a rage, the gay, then grabbed the marines wallet and tried to stuff it down the toilet , a struggle ensued with the homosexual getting accidentally strangled to death .

The unveiling of the dong is the 'money shot' of the evening's frolics.

Many ladyboys do not know how to do it properly ...'Oh. Now you will see my secret'. As I think Emma does in the torrent mentioned earlier.

No, the way to do it is to drop the drawers flamboyantly, and stand with legs akimbo and haddock in hand.

And I think the Gay Marine actually quavered at this juncture, not because the hairy cock was so small, but because it was a prodigiously enormous tool, mutating, as he fingered it, into a writhing python, snapping and contorting.

And he bottled it, because for all their talk, Americans just don't like it 'up 'em'.

Then there was the fight and wallet down toilet, etc.

To prove this theory, we need photos of the instrument of defilement. I propose Davis goes to the funeral and takes a few surreptitious pix.

Originally Posted by The Ghost Of The Moog

I propose Davis goes to the funeral and takes a few surreptitious pix.

I have serious difficulty imagining that scenario.

Seems odd making the gay herman stay in the country to be charged with an offence. Exactly what he wants, and no doubt the verdict would see him chucked out of the country anyway and never allowed back. If they are going to go this route at least chuck him in prison to wait the case. He might just leave by his own volition a lot sooner that way, or just as likely get over his grief in the showers with Roger and Derek from Pampanga, aka Britney and Deirdre.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Seems odd making the gay herman stay in the country to be charged with an offence. Exactly what he wants,

Interesting point.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to pseudolus again.

Originally Posted by chassamui

Originally Posted by The Ghost Of The Moog

I propose Davis goes to the funeral and takes a few surreptitious pix.

I have serious difficulty imagining that scenario.

In the ground already. I'm not digging him up. Period.

Originally Posted by bowie

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Seems odd making the gay herman stay in the country to be charged with an offence. Exactly what he wants,

Interesting point.

The Filipinos are doing this by the book, by having a formal deportation hearing, rather than just letting him fly off and attempt to return another day. If found 'undesirable' at a formal deportation hearing, he's banned for good. Due process.

I doubt that he wants to be stuck in the Philippines. He is an accountant for some firm in Germany, and was already whimpering at the airport that the delay in his departure would cause him serious problems with his employer.

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

I doubt that he wants to be stuck in the Philippines. He is an accountant for some firm in Germany, and was already whimpering at the airport that the delay in his departure would cause him serious problems with his employer.

Question for European readers. I know little of Europe, having only made short visits there for work years ago. I have only been to Germany once for work for two weeks. That said, my impression of Germans is that they are pretty rigid in their thinking and not the most liberal of folks.

If the Kraut is worried about missing work, shouldn't he be more worried about the reception he is likely to get from his employer and co-workers over his well-publicized antics of the past days?

Or are Germans so liberal that they will accept him as he is?

Germans are as different and varied as anyone else.

My friend Manfred had a ladyboy in Bangkok (Gigi, a very nice lady as I recall) and his fellow Germans (we all worked for a large German company) thought it was hilarious and could not stop sniggering about it. The story was still being told 5 years later.

However they did not think of him as GAY and someone to avoid / discriminate against. Germans can be very liberal, it is in part a reaction to their horrific past.

They will accept him for what he is, a guy who was engaged to a lady who was horrifically murdered by an American.

That she was murdered in unsavoury circumstances will not reflect well on him as it suggests she may have been a prostitute.