Ukraine war mega thread

[Backspin]

What is wrong with creating a NATO/Russia DMZ in the former soviet republics that are now independent?
IMO a Bear will fight when backed in a corner, Why is the west backing Russia into a corner? What is the end game?

The end game was to go for it and dare Russia to attack. And Russia attacked.

[harrybarracuda]

I'm still waiting for CP to ban the sale of Smirnoff Vodka in 7Eleven outlets in Thailand.

Now that would really piss Putin off!

It's not owned by Russia, made by Russia or made in Russia.

If they sell Stolly they could stop selling that, but's it's fucking carpet cleaner anyway.

[VocalNeal]

Has anyone mentioned the Antonov 225? Sad news.

[harrybarracuda]

You see sabang, you shouldn't be so stupid. Listen to your Uncle Harry.

LONDON—BP is abandoning its stake in Russian oil giant Rosneft in an abrupt and costly end to three decades of operating in the energy-rich country, marking the most significant move yet by a Western company in response to Moscow’s invasion of Ukraine.
Rosneft accounts for around half of BP’s oil and gas reserves and a third of its production and divesting the 19.75 percent stake will result in charges of up to $25 billion, the British company said, without saying how it plans to extricate itself.
“I have been deeply shocked and saddened by the situation unfolding in Ukraine and my heart goes out to everyone affected. It has caused us to fundamentally rethink BP’s position with Rosneft,” BP Chief Executive Bernard Looney said.
BP Quits Russia in Up to $25 Billion Hit After Ukraine Invasion

[harrybarracuda]

Now the crazed dictator is trying to play nuclear chicken. He's really out of his depth now.

Obviously it's a feeble attempt to convince his people that he is defending them from nuclear war, when he's actually the one who's caused the whole problem in the first place.

NATO’s nuclear powers – the US, UK and France – do not need to make a nuclear response. One of the great advantages of having a submarine-based nuclear deterrent is that, in crises such as this, the Western powers do not need to visibly raise the alert status of their forces.

Their submarines are safe from preemptive strike without doing so. Putin and his general staff know that the UK – like the US and France – has the capability to inflict terrible damage on Russia if it, or its NATO allies, were to be attacked. That is enough.

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BREAKING: Putin puts russian nuclear forces in special combat mode over aggressive statements from NATO

He is losing the war with Ukraine, not with NATO. No wonder he is already looking for an easy escape route.

[Backspin]

Has anyone mentioned the Antonov 225? Sad news.

Russia will probably rebuild it. Or for all we know, its safe and it was just a war rumor

[Backspin]

Belarus revokes it’s nonnuclear state status — highly likely Russian nuclear weapons will be deployed there any day now.

[bsnub]

A Ukrainian soldier fires a missile at a Russian tank near #Kharkiv #Ukraine Seems the anti-tank weapons are working wonderful. #UkraineInvasion #UkraineWar

https://twitter.com/OSICnick/status/1497869364762185728

[bsnub]

The Ukrainian Air Force has released additional footage of their Turkish made TB2 drones striking the Russian Occupation Forces.

https://twitter.com/AceJaceu/status/1497998439828926470

https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status...00566055800837

[David48atTD]

Putin's Christmas Card list is shrinking ...

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Russian Hockey Star - Alex Ovechkin 'Please, No More War' - After Putin Attacks Ukraine



Rublev isn't the only Russian athlete speaking out against Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine ... 'cause one of the country's most famous and talented athletes, NHL superstar Alex Ovechkin, is speaking out against the attack.

What makes Ovechkin's stance interesting is that he's been an ardent supporter of President Putin ... even campaigning for Vladimir when he was up for reelection several years ago.

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Russian tennis star Andrey Rublev had a simple, yet powerful message as his country and Ukraine collide on the world stage ... writing "no war please" on a camera following his match in Dubai.

Andrey -- the world's No.7 ranked tennis player -- knocked off his opponent, Hubert Hurkacz, on Friday ... and then made his mark for all to see.


Russian Hockey Star Alex Ovechkin Pleads, 'Please, No More War' After Putin Invades Ukraine

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The end game was to go for it and dare Russia to attack. And Russia attacked.

Wrong again. He was told his wish list was irresponsible and unrealistic. The spoiled dictator was quite predictable when he didn’t get his way. He screamed and stamped his feet, then cried when military commanders told him the truth. He did not have the superiority he had assumed, and the Ukraine kicked his arse.

[Switch]

Belarus revokes it’s nonnuclear state status — highly likely Russian nuclear weapons will be deployed there any day now.

Even the child in Putin understands mutually assured destruction. Conventional failure leaves him with more options than nuclear.
Yes, Putin is dumb, not terminally stupid like you!

[David48atTD]

Wrong again. He was told his wish list was irresponsible and unrealistic. The spoiled dictator was quite predictable when he didn’t get his way. He screamed and stamped his feet, then cried when the adults in the room told him the truth. He did not have the superiority he had assumed,

Enough about TRUMP ... what about Putin?

[bsnub]

This YouTuber is an American who is in Kyiv, he is friends with Bald and Bankrupt who is currently staying at his apartment. This gives you an idea of what it is like being stuck in Kyiv right now.

[Backspin]

Donbass forces capture Nato weapons.



https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/stat...Mhapf-RY1D1IBQ

[OhOh]

his wish list was irresponsible and unrealistic.

The numerous signed treaties have been scrapped/retain no status then.

All the signees were irresponsible and unrealistic?

[Buckaroo Banzai]

Again, who are you/Putin/Biden/whoever to tell sovereign nations what they must be.

Unarmed nations on Russia's borders . . . what a great idea. Putin is now threatening with NUCLEAR weapons, ffs . . . Yes, I'd choose to be an unarmed nation next to a stable and modern democracy like Russia.



I agree to a certain extent, but Europeans want security from Russia, which they get to a certain extent with distance. The greater the distance, the greater the security. This isn't just a European thing, it's fairly well universal.

Since the reunification of Germany the US and Russia have been negotiating on NATO extension in the now independent former USSR members , I t has being reported that Baker when Negotiating the reunification of Germany promised that NATO will not extend into this regions.

"Washington D.C., December 12, 2017 – U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s famous “not one inch eastward” assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990, was part of a cascade of assurances about Soviet security given by Western leaders to Gorbachev and other Soviet officials throughout the process of German unification in 1990 and on into 1991, according to declassified U.S., Soviet, German, British and French documents posted today by the National Security Archive at George Washington University"
NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard | National Security Archive

Nations do not tell other nations what to do, but in the matter of issues that threaten their national security they request that they stop doing certain things, if said nations do not stop doing those things, and after negotiations fail, the only option is war. History is full of such instances.
The US is no angel in the Ukraine situation and I am sure they were behind the coup that removed the democratically elected pro-Russian Government 2014.
The situation in the Ukraine is not as black and white as some would like to think. If the situation was reversed and the US was in a similar situation, I am convinced they would have devised an excuse to also invade.

[David48atTD]

Donbass forces capture Nato weapons.

https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/stat...Mhapf-RY1D1IBQ

Yes ... your point?

[David48atTD]

On the lighter side (unless you are a Ruskie sniper)

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#Ukraine army cats are trained to spot and direct the location of #Russiansniper laser dots.

This is Mikael “The panther of Kharkiv” who single handed exposed the location of 4 Snipers which ended in their deaths.

No idea re the veracity of the story ... the claws of war and all that

All the commentary is here ... https://twitter.com/NowImNothing_/st...27641172410368

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Since the reunification of Germany the US and Russia have been negotiating on NATO extension in the now independent former USSR members , I t has being reported that Baker when Negotiating the reunification of Germany promised that NATO will not extend into this regions.

"Washington D.C., December 12, 2017 – U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s famous “not one inch eastward” assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990, was part of a cascade of assurances about Soviet security given by Western leaders to Gorbachev and other Soviet officials throughout the process of German unification in 1990 and on into 1991, according to declassified U.S., Soviet, German, British and French documents posted today by the National Security Archive at George Washington University"
NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard | National Security Archive

Nations do not tell other nations what to do, but in the matter of issues that threaten their national security they request that they stop doing certain things, if said nations do not stop doing those things, and after negotiations fail, the only option is war. History is full of such instances.
The US is no angel in the Ukraine situation and I am sure they were behind the coup that removed the democratically elected pro-Russian Government 2014.
The situation in the Ukraine is not as black and white as some would like to think. If the situation was reversed and the US was in a similar situation, I am convinced they would have devised an excuse to also invade.

Are NATO taking advantage of former Russian satellite countries, or did they CHOOSE to join a democratic, defensive union for their own protection?

Its an interesting and yet, highly provocative question, whichever way you choose to read it. At least you are free to choose.

[Buckaroo Banzai]

Are NATO taking advantage of former Russian satellite countries, or did they CHOOSE to join a democratic, defensive union for their own protection?

How many NATO countries have send armed forces to assist Ukraine?
NATO does what is good for NATO IMO (US, Germany, France ,UK)
When Turkey, A NATO Member, invaded Cyprus, another NATO member, and is still occupying a large portion of the country, What did NATO do?

[bsnub]

When Turkey, A NATO Member, invaded Cyprus, another NATO member, and is still occupying a large portion of the country, What did NATO do?

Cyprus is not a NATO member.

[nidhogg]

It seems to be a major point that countries choose to join NATO, which is an alliance of free sovereign states. Not aware of any country every asking to join the Soviet block. Russia does not want to have a similar organization as NATO, it wants subjugated vassal states.

Not really a surprise which way Ukraine leans.

[panama hat]

Since the reunification of Germany the US and Russia have been negotiating on NATO extension

I think the current crisis, the invasion of Hungary, the invasion of Czechoslovakia etc etc etc . . . are ample reason to want to join NATO - again, The US doesn't make all the decisions, neither does Russia. Plus, where is this agreeement?

Added to which, the talks were between the USSR and the US . . . the former Warsaw Pact 'countries of seven' joined after the USSR fell.

Their choice, their free will . . . their fear of Russia doing exactly what they are doing.

How many NATO countries have send armed forces to assist Ukraine?

None.

NATO does what is good for NATO IMO (US, Germany, France ,UK)

Why does this come as a surprise to you/anyone? Added to which, that isn't quite true . . .

When Turkey, A NATO Member, invaded Cyprus, another NATO member, and is still occupying a large portion of the country, What did NATO do?

And is Turkey in the EU? Nope. You have the answer yourself, though - both NATO countries.

I know you're Greek, but even you must admit that Turkey is far more powerful militarily than Greece and the EU and NATO are protecting Athens