Ukraine war mega thread

[Backspin]

any link, cretin?

Turn on the teli Bill.

[David48atTD]

In the last year Russia has been placing their reserves in places where we can’t block them. Russia has been preparing for sanctions financially"

Agreed.

Russia has been preparing for a long time to invade Ukraine.

[sabang]

Social media users accuse the media of hypocrisy in its coverage of Russia’s war on Ukraine compared with other conflicts.

As the Russian invasion of Ukraine continues into a fourth day, an outpouring of support for Ukrainians has been witnessed across much of Europe, Australia, and the West in general.
The war began on Thursday after Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered his forces to enter Ukraine, following months of a heavy military build-up on the border.


Ukraine’s health minister said at least 198 Ukrainians, including three children, have been killed so far during the invasion. The United Nations says more than 360,000 Ukrainians have fled the country, with the majority crossing the border into neighbouring Poland.
The war has triggered swift condemnation by several countries, immediate sanctions by the United States and other countries targeting Russian banks, oil refineries, and military exports, and marathon emergency talks at the UN Security Council (UNSC).

On social media, the speed of such an international response – which includes the exclusion of Russia from some cultural events and treatment of it as a pariah in sports – has raised eyebrows at the lack of such a reaction to other conflicts across the world.

Media pundits, journalists, and political figures have been accused of double standards for using their outlets to not only commend Ukraine’s armed resistance to Russian troops, but also to underlying their horror at how such a conflict could happen to a “civilised” nation.

CBS News senior correspondent in Kyiv Charlie D’Agata said on Friday: “This isn’t a place, with all due respect, like Iraq or Afghanistan that has seen conflict raging for decades. This is a relatively civilised, relatively European – I have to choose those words carefully, too – city where you wouldn’t expect that, or hope that it’s going to happen.”

His comments were met with derision and anger on social media, with many pointing out how his statements contributed to the further dehumanisation of non-white, non-European people suffering under a conflict within mainstream media.


D’Agata later apologised, saying he spoke “in a way I regret”.

On Saturday, the BBC hosted Ukraine’s former deputy general prosecutor, David Sakvarelidze.

“It’s very emotional for me because I see European people with blonde hair and blue eyes being killed every day with Putin’s missiles and his helicopters and his rockets,” Sakvarelidze said.

The BBC presenter responded: “I understand and of course respect the emotion.”


On Sunday, Al Jazeera English presenter Peter Dobbie described Ukrainians fleeing the war as “prosperous, middle class people” who “are not obviously refugees trying to get away from areas in the Middle East that are still in a big state of war; these are not people trying to get away from areas in North Africa, they look like any European family that you would live next door to.”

The media network later issued an apology, saying the comments “were inappropriate, insensitive, and irresponsible”.

“Al Jazeera English is committed to impartiality, diversity and professionalism in all its work. This breach of that professionalism will be dealt with through disciplinary measures,” it said in a statement.

Meanwhile on Friday, Sky News broadcast a video of people in the central Ukrainian city of Dnipro making Molotov cocktails, explaining how grating Styrofoam makes the incendiary device stick to vehicles better.

“Amazing mainstream Western media gives glowing coverage of people resisting invasion by making molotov cocktails,” one social media user remarked. “If they were brown people in Yemen or Palestine doing the same they would be labeled terrorists deserving US-Israeli or US-Saudi drone bombing.”

On BFM TV, France’s most-watched cable news channel, journalist Philippe Corbe said: “We’re not talking here about Syrians fleeing the bombing of the Syrian regime backed by Putin, we’re talking about Europeans leaving in cars that look like ours to save their lives.”

British journalist Daniel Hannan was criticised online for an article in The Telegraph, in which he wrote that war no longer happens in “impoverished and remote populations”.


European politicians have also expressed support for open borders towards Ukrainian refugees, using terminology such as “intellectuals” and “European” – a far cry from the fear-mongering used by governments against migrants and refugees from Africa, the Middle East and Central Asia.

“Skin is a passport … epidermal citizenship,” one social media user said.

Jean-Louis Bourlanges, a member of the French National Assembly, told a TV channel that the Ukrainian refugees will be “an immigration of great quality, intellectuals, one that we will be able to take advantage of”.


The Russia-Ukraine war has been billed by liberal media as Europe’s worst security crisis since the end of World War II, contributing to the general amnesia of relatively recent conflicts on the continent such as the Bosnian war in the 1990s and the Northern Ireland conflict that lasted from the 1960s until 1998.

Absent from such generalisations was the fact that in the post-World War era, Europe exported many wars in countries that were previous colonial entities.

Some commentators have also heaped praise on the steadfastness of Ukrainians and the country’s defence capabilities, in a way that they suggested no other nation or people have undergone such an experience before.

Critics pointed out the hypocrisy of crowdsourcing and setting up online donations to fund Kyiv’s military without facing any government backlash or suspension of their monetary accounts.


The double standards regarding calls for excluding Russia from cultural and sporting events and not extending the same move to other occupying entities have not been lost on social media either.

Examples were drawn between the Palestinian Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement against Israel – often touted by Western governments as anti-Semitic – and the current exclusion of Moscow from events such as the Eurovision contest and stripping the Champions League final from St Petersburg.

Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison has backed the boycott of Russia from sports, but criticised the boycott of last month’s Sydney Cultural Festival over receiving sponsorship from the Israeli embassy.


Claudia Webbe, a British member of parliament, tweeted that the people who genuinely care about Ukrainians are the ones who will welcome all refugees with open arms.
“The rest?” she posted, “Well, they’re pretending.”

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/...sion-criticism


The Link also provides a number of pics of social media posts, which I can't be bothered copying here. Quite interesting!

[panama hat]

‘Double standards’: Western coverage of Ukraine war criticised

You've dipped to Backspit levels now.

[HermantheGerman]

You've dipped to Backspit levels now.

Popeye is running out of spinach

[panama hat]

⚡️EU shuts its airspace to all Russian-owned, Russian-registered, or Russian-controlled aircraft, President of the EU Commission Ursula von der Leyen said on Twitter.

“Including the private jets of oligarchs” she wrote.

Nice touch which will sadden sabang as to how cruel the EU is.

[Loy Toy]

I'm still waiting for CP to ban the sale of Smirnoff Vodka in 7Eleven outlets in Thailand.

Now that would really piss Putin off!

[David48atTD]

“Amazing mainstream Western media gives glowing coverage of people resisting invasion by making molotov cocktails,” one social media user remarked.

I followed up that one comment.

Here is the social media user in question ...

Abel Tomlinson

@AbelNTomlinson

• Antiwar Activist.
• Heretical Writer.
• Organic Gardener.
• Truth Seeker.
• Revolutionary.

Fayetteville, Arkansasabeltomlinson.comJoined January 2014

2,378 Following
1,254 Followers

1,254 Followers ... an obviously highly influential member on Twitter



His next post was ...

"Its vomit-inducing the number of ppl that went from "oh the war is horrible" to cheering on killing & warfare escalations within like 48 hours flat. These ppl aren't serious about peace. They seem to love war & slurp down pro-war propaganda like ice cream. its sickening"


Well Abel, War is horrible and if Putin hadn't invaded Ukraine we wouldn't be having this discussion.

If I was Ukrainian, I'd be doing everything in my control to keep my Family safe and to fuck off the invading Russians.

[sabang]

Well I'm a bit of a busy bee this morning, so I'll leave you to it. But my comment on the Al Jazeera article is- Touche'!

Another great article by AJ this morning too- I put it in the other Ukraine loon thread. Should get a rise out of the usual suspects.

[Backspin]

Agreed.

Russia has been preparing for a long time to invade Ukraine.

Yes. Because the US has shown it's intention to walk over its red lines for 15 years

[Hugh Cow]

It is time for the Russian Army to get rid of Putin and arrest the rest of his gang. The Generals must know they have an idiot at the helm who is in charge of the nuclear option. A military coup is the only way to get rid of Putin and I'd be surprised if it has not already crossed the minds of the General staff. If the invasion did not convince them, then putting the nuclear forces on high alert surely must.

[pickel]

Yes. Because the US has shown it's intention to walk over its red lines for 15 years

Russia has done quite a bit of meddling of their own in Ukraine you fucking idiot. If it's the US Putin has a problem with why doesn't he invade them? Ukraine has not threatened Russia and would never dream of invading them. Fuck Putin.

[Backspin]

There is a reason why the US dept of the navy was putting up tenders for work in Crimea in 2013. It was basically a done deal. Overthrow the current govt, put together your own and Crimea is yours.

From page 5 of this thread. The US intention to take Crimea in 2014.

[Backspin]

Russia has done quite a bit of meddling of their own in Ukraine you fucking idiot. If it's the US Putin has a problem with why doesn't he invade them? Ukraine has not threatened Russia and would never dream of invading them. Fuck Putin.

It's about Ukraine joining NATO and then hosting permanent missile batteries pointed directly at Russia. Like they did in Poland and Romania. Like the USSR did in Cuba. Which the US brought the world to the edge to put an end to. Was Cuba gonna invade the US ? No.

[pickel]

It's about Ukraine joining NATO and then hosting permanent missile batteries pointed directly at Russia. Like they did in Poland and Romania. Like the USSR did in Cuba. Which the US brought the world to the edge to put an end to. Was Cuba gonna invade the US ? No.

Once again Numbnuts, Ukraine didn't join NATO.

And the US didn't invade Cuba. They supported a rag tag bunch of Cuban degenerates in their attempt to do so, and regretted it. Just like Putin is going to regret this. Only Putin will regret his choice much, much more.

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[David48atTD]

^ The opening Statement is

NATO only does 2 things:

1. it constantly expands and
2. destroys everything in it's path.

Let me look a little deeper into it


EDIT:-

OK, it took a while (and I had to feed my kids as they aren't in School today).


So the guy you see in the video is Brian Berletic.

He is a 40ish American, apparently an 'ex-marine' residing in Bangkok.

He used to focus on Thai issues, then Asian issues, but seems to have developed a great insight in the current conflict in Ukraine

Undeniably pro Chinese, anti USA, has a good go at Australia.

It seems if there is a question posed in the world Brian Berletic has an opinion and answer for you.


When I applied the BS filter, all you hear is background noise.

"Thailand is a perfect example of how China is helping the rest of Asia rise with it."

has 66.3K subscribers

[panama hat]

Every time Backspit is exposed as a fool and his posts are contradicted and shown as factually incorrect he just goes onto the next lie . . . what a schmuck.

[Norton]

The international community is overwhelmingly in favour of Ukraine recovering its sovereignty, albeit as a buffer state between Russia and NATO countries, and must do all to reach an immediate ceasefire, support the diplomatic process, and ultimately push for a dialogue between the West and Russia over the future security of Europe.

As would be expected but not likely to happen.

The cold war never truely ended. The big 3 (US, China and Russia) have all continued the cold war. Increased military power far beyond any resonable level other than to intimidate nations who fail to align themselves with them. All 3 use economic power to "encourage" alignment.

Bishara's op ed focuses only on the US as the bad guy and completely omits instances of the same behavior of China and Russia. At the moment, China's activity with Taiwan and Russia's current invasion of the Ukraine. Clearly a join us or else action.

What aboutism, which Bishara's op ed clearly is, never works as logical auguement to justify the actions of either Russia or China of doing the exact same thing. This oped may make pro Russia, anti US folks feel good but failure of the reader to understand their particular pro nation is among the bad guys as well. Also all can and have been good guys as well.

[Buckaroo Banzai]

"Few analysts believe Putin has ambitions to take over large swathes of Europe, but some are concerned that his very success in Ukraine might embolden him to move on some of the Baltic states

What is wrong with creating a NATO/Russia DMZ in the former soviet republics that are now independent?
IMO a Bear will fight when backed in a corner, Why is the west backing Russia into a corner? What is the end game?

[bsnub]

Every time Backspit is exposed as a fool and his posts are contradicted and shown as factually incorrect he just goes onto the next lie . . . what a schmuck.

He really needs to be jailed.

[panama hat]

What is wrong with creating a NATO/Russia DMZ in the former soviet republics that are now independent?

Again, who are you/Putin/Biden/whoever to tell sovereign nations what they must be.

Unarmed nations on Russia's borders . . . what a great idea. Putin is now threatening with NUCLEAR weapons, ffs . . . Yes, I'd choose to be an unarmed nation next to a stable and modern democracy like Russia.

Why is the west backing Russia into a corner? What is the end game?

I agree to a certain extent, but Europeans want security from Russia, which they get to a certain extent with distance. The greater the distance, the greater the security. This isn't just a European thing, it's fairly well universal.

[David48atTD]

A bit more digging, about Backspin's video above ...

Brian Berletic also penned the site The Land Destroyer ... Land Destroyer: Same Networks that Sold Us War Promote Pfizer’s Vaccines

Same Networks that Sold Us War Promote Pfizer’s Vaccines

January 19, 2021 (Brian Berletic - LD) - The very same corporate media and so-called "Fact Checkers" that have helped sell decades of US war around the globe are now engaged in selling COVID-19 hysteria and promoting pharmaceutical giants like Pfizer and their apparently dangerous - even deadly COVID-19 vaccine.

Brian Berletic, formally known under the pen name "Tony Cartalucci" is a geopolitical researcher, writer, and video producer based in Bangkok, Thailand.

[harrybarracuda]

Brian Berletic, formally known under the pen name "Tony Cartalucci" is a geopolitical researcher, writer, and video producer based in Bangkok, Thailand.

Marshall outed this fucking stooge ages ago.

https://twitter.com/zenjournalist/st...35653397532672

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