Ukraine war mega thread

[pickel]

Maybe Canada should join Nato.

Is that a weak attempt at some subliminal joke? Or are you really that stupid? Hard to tell with you these days. I'm gonna need an answer from you, or I'll just go with the latter.

[sabang]

I thought you might think that pickle- and if it did, that would certainly prove me wrong.

[pickel]

and if it did, that would certainly prove me wrong.

If what did? If Canada joined NATO?

Okay, now I seriously think you are completely stupid and unaware that Canada is already a member of NATO.

[sabang]

Heh, one might never have noticed.

[pickel]

Heh, one might never have noticed.

Thanks for the new signature.

[Backspin]

There is no NATO base there, you pathetic dimwitted lying fuck. You really need to be jailed. All your posts are pure trash.

They were building NATO bases there. And the Seabreeze NATO exercise happened out of there.

Two naval bases are being built in Ukraine at once | Ukrainian and World Shipping News - Ukrainian Shipping Magazine - Ukrainian and World Shipping News

[Backspin]

The US and UK have been building NATO bases in Odessa since 2017. And Russia just leveled them.

This would be like Russia building naval bases on Vancouver island

Ukraine naval base drew Putin’s wrath, then Russian fire – POLITICO

[pickel]

Heh, one might never have noticed.

You should pay more attention to the subject then, as they were a founding member. And your credibility just took a huge hit.

[AntRobertson]

So the EU announced unanimously amongst all member countries to take in Ukrainian refugees for up to 3 years without asking them to first apply for asylum.

That's nice but it puts to lie all the EU's past excuses for not acting humanely towards refugees from other recent wars doesn't it.

[Buckaroo Banzai]

I think the current crisis, the invasion of Hungary, the invasion of Czechoslovakia etc etc etc . . . are ample reason to want to join NATO - again, The US doesn't make all the decisions, neither does Russia. Plus, where is this agreeement?

Or joining NATO could be an invitation to be invaded. It's a matter of perspective.

None.

Then why would joining NATO provide a guarantee that they would? There are existential dangers to Putin and Russia if Ukraine joins NATO, are there existential dangers to the West if it did not? So who do you think is more motivated to start WW3 over it? I predict that when all is said and done Ukraine will not join NATO and all the people who died over this senseless exercise would have died for nothing.

Why does this come as a surprise to you/anyone? Added to which, that isn't quite true . . .

I don't understand this reply , to me the first statement seems to be in conflict with the second.
It certainly does not come as a surprise to me that NATO will act in the interest of the nations it was designed to protect.

And is Turkey in the EU? Nope. You have the answer yourself, though - both NATO countries.

Cyprus is in the EU and not a member of NATO , how is that possible. could it be that it is because NATO does not want to be in conflict with Turkey? But Greece is a NATO, country, so what did NATO do when Turkey invaded Cyprus? The American 6th fleet (A NATO country) intercepted the Greek Navy heading to assist fellow Greek Cypriots, and turn them back. Did the American 6th fleet also intercept the Turks and prevent them from invading Cyprus ? or did they assisted them.

I know you're Greek, but even you must admit that Turkey is far more powerful militarily than Greece and the EU and NATO are protecting Athens

I would admit nothing of the sort. Turkey is a more populous country, with a military budget double to that of Greece and numerically seems stronger than Greece but don't confuse quantity with quality . The Greek Airforce pilots are considered among the best in the world, and have consistently being voted the best in NATO. There is a reason why Israel pays the Greeks $1.65 billion to have it's pilots trained in Greece. Recently Greece has acquired 24 state of the Art Rafales from France.
In addition" The Hellenic Navy has a clear advantage over Turkey's navy in submarine warfare. Together with Israel, Greece has the most advanced conventional submarines in the Eastern Mediterranean."

The Coming Naval Arms Race in the Eastern Mediterranean | Royal United Services Institute
and controls all the Aegean islands , in essence unsinkable aircraft curriers.

And finally as an example of the trust the Greeks have on NATO, they have signed an agreement of mutual defense with Greece outside of NATO .

I will get back on Topic, by saying that I understand the guttural reaction that we all have towards the invasion of the Ukraine, and none of us has any love lost for Putin, but there needs to be an understanding that there are two sides to this story. There is defending the Russian plateau, oil, Natural Gas, water for the Crimea, and the survival of Putin involved here. And don't think the US was not aware of these concerns when it decided to test Russian by using Ukraine as bait. The video below gives a good explanation of the dynamics of this conflict if you are interested.

[pickel]

The US and UK have been building NATO bases in Odessa since 2017. And Russia just leveled them.

This would be like Russia building naval bases on Vancouver island

Ukraine naval base drew Putin’s wrath, then Russian fire – POLITICO

Look at the title of your own link. It says "Ukraine" naval base. It's their own country. Up to them. Fuck Putin.

[Switch]

The US and UK have been building NATO bases in Odessa since 2017. And Russia just leveled them.

This would be like Russia building naval bases on Vancouver island

Ukraine naval base drew Putin’s wrath, then Russian fire – POLITICO

The link is pure Putin propaganda. Worthless.

[Switch]

They were building NATO bases there. And the Seabreeze NATO exercise happened out of there.

Two naval bases are being built in Ukraine at once | Ukrainian and World Shipping News - Ukrainian Shipping Magazine - Ukrainian and World Shipping News

For those who have tired of SoCal manipulation, the link consists of two items of interest. The UK signed a memorandum of understanding and financial assistance to Ukraine.
The UK is offering UK shipyards to help build 4 vessels for the Ukraine, along with training in an area where UK yards have some expertise and experience. Even building vessels around 50m in length with GRP hulls takes time, and Putins war will be over long before these vessels are ready for sea trials.
As part of the deal, UK will provide 2 retired minesweeping vessels which are both over 20 years in service, HMS Blyth and HMS Ramsey.

This does not constitute a NATO naval base, despite SoCal claims and routine manipulation of facts.

[bsnub]

This does not constitute a NATO naval base, despite SoCal claims and routine manipulation of facts.

Literally everything he posts is utter trash, not worth even reading at this point. He is a buffoon.

[panama hat]

the US-NATO base in Achakkov

There is no NATO base there, you pathetic dimwitted lying fuck

They were building NATO bases there.

Good Lord, you are such a lying piece of shit - quote in your link where it says anything about a NATO base.

[pickel]

To be fair Politico is a fair source, he just twisted the words off the chart to suit his needs.

[panama hat]

Or joining NATO could be an invitation to be invaded. It's a matter of perspective.

An invitation by whom to whom and how is this an invitation? That's not a matter of perspective at all. Several ex-Warsaw Pact countries have joined and weren't invaded.

Then why would joining NATO provide a guarantee that they would?

Nope, you 'asked' how many and the answer is none. Simple. How many there might be is also a supposition as Ukraine isn't part of NATO, nor the EU. One thing you can be sure about, though, is that there will be a bigger build-up now that Russia has invaded a sovereign country without provocation, and is killing civilians by the thousands.

It certainly does not come as a surprise to me that NATO will act in the interest of the nations it was designed to protect.

Exactly, your question was a tautology.

Cyprus is in the EU and not a member of NATO , how is that possible

Two different things altogether. The US and Canada are in NATO and not in the EU, as an example.

Turkey is a more populous country, with a military budget double to that of Greece and numerically seems stronger than Greece but don't confuse quantity with quality .

I'm not . . . but the proximity is too close to discount numbers . . . and Turks are anything but shrinking violets. Don't get me wrong, I'm with Greece all the way when it comes to Turkey (despite their atrocious behaviour during the bail-outs, from the ridiculous tax base to EARLY retirement, to demands of WWII reparations, to ministers living it large while people go hungry and still calling themselves socialists etc etc etc).

And finally as an example of the trust the Greeks have on NATO, they have signed an agreement of mutual defense with Greece outside of NATO .

This means absolutely nothing as you're talking about the US . . . which is in NATO. It's a renewal. Greece has also had agreements with Turkey, Yugoslavia etc...
If Greece feels so insecure and hard-done by about NATO then there is always an exit.

there needs to be an understanding that there are two sides to this story. There is defending the Russian plateau, oil, Natural Gas, water for the Crimea, and the survival of Putin involved here. And don't think the US was not aware of these concerns when it decided to test Russian by using Ukraine as bait.

I'm sure most would appreciate the situation Russia finds itself in with almost all their previous 'allies' siding with the 'west' - you should ask yourself why this is the case . . . Hungary and the ČSSR will give you a hint . . . but invading Ukraine, killing thousands of civilians isn't the right way of addressing this. There was never any hint of invading Russia - maybe you have to be European to understand this - no-one wants to invade Russia. No-one can invade Russia. Most everyone knows Russia can inflict massive damage to any country or countries without repercussions politically inside Russia - totalitarianism has its advantages . . . until the murdering bastards hang high one day . . . Mussolini, Ghadaffi, Saddaam etc etc etc

[pickel]

Or joining NATO could be an invitation to be invaded. It's a matter of perspective.

A NATO country has never been invaded. You could maybe say the UK was with the Falklands, but they were self governing and Article 5 wasn't invoked.

[Iceman123]

If Belarus joins in against Ukraine and sends its troops in, that should be the only provocation NATO requires to reciprocate with boots on the ground there.

Putin is an uncontrolled bullying dictator.

Ukraine has managed to mobilise its whole populace, The full force of NATO should be in there helping put Putin back in his box.

Diplomacy hasn’t worked, Sadly there is sometimes a reason to fight, history has shown invariably the quicker the better.

[kingwilly]

Diplomacy hasn’t worked, Sadly there is sometimes a reason to fight, history has shown invariably the quicker the better.

Agreed.

[bsnub]

The full force of NATO should be in there helping put Putin back in his box.

That would kick off WW3. NATO should do nothing unless it is attacked first. This is gut-wrenching and hard to watch, but sadly, any response could trigger a world war.

Although I must admit that a couple of squadrons of A-10s could rain hell on those caravans they have running for miles.

[Switch]

That would kick off WW3. NATO should do nothing unless it is attacked first. This is gut-wrenching and hard to what, but sadly any response could trigger a world war.

Although I must admit that a couple of squadrons of A-10s could rain hell on those caravans they have running for miles.

Putin has persuaded his commanders that 75 year old doctrine is acceptable to him!

[OhOh]

A simple graphic to assist.

What Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics Are


Strategic Infographics

February 28, 2022

https://www.strategic-culture.org/wp...72_Donbass.jpg

[panama hat]

A simple graphic to assist.

A simple geography lesson to show what a fuckwit you are - no maps required.

Over here Kyiv - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - -- - - -- - your two areas over here.

Russians killing civilians here - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - your two areas over here.


Now, fuck off.

[Backspin]

Russia plans on bringing back the legitimate pre 2014 Ukraine constitution. Then new elections will be called. Without the US putsch regime on the ballot.