The Gun Issue thread

[Morden]

How many more innocents have to die at the hands of maniacs with assault weapons before America wakes up and realizes that common sense gun regulation is the right thing to do.

You have your answer this morning.

What a crazy country!

[Boon Mee]

Recall how only trained law enforcement professional can be trusted with guns?


Police Chief Accidentally Shoots Himself In Hand.

[TonyBKK]

Santa Monica Shootings 'Premeditated,' Shooter 'Ready for Battle,' Police Say


Police said the suspect was wearing a protective vest and carrying so much weaponry he was, in the words of one official, "ready for battle."



The suspected shooter was carrying approximately 1,300 rounds of ammunition, in addition to a revolver and a rifle similar to an AR-15 semi-automatic in a duffel bag, Seabrooks said.



Page 2: Santa Monica Shooting 'Premeditated,' Shooter 'Ready for Battle' - ABC News

[pseudolus]

Just imagine is there had been a couple of armed guards on either side of that door?

[Boon Mee]

Just imagine is there had been a couple of armed guards on either side of that door?

Probably one of those infamous 'Gun Free' zones...

[TonyBKK]

Common sense gun regulation does not violate the Second Amendment, which confers upon all Americans the right to own a gun for protection, recreation, and collection. However, that right also requires basic responsibility, and as a society we are responsible for keeping guns out of the hands of dangerous people like criminals, terrorists, and the mentally ill. Federal law requires that individuals seeking to buy a gun at a licensed dealer pass a background check to prevent criminals, domestic abusers, the seriously mentally ill, and other dangerous people from purchasing firearms. Since the NICS instant background check system was implemented in 1998, background checks have denied transfers to over 1.7 million prohibited purchasers.
However, there is a gaping hole in our laws that allow criminals and others to go to “private sellers” at gun shows, on the internet, and elsewhere to buy guns with no background check, no questions asked. Commonly referred to as the private sales loophole or “gun show loophole,” this failure in our public safety policy has allowed up to 40 percent of all gun transfers to take place without a background check.
In practice, this means that those wishing to purchase a gun have two easily available options – a federally licensed seller that will require a background check and an unlicensed seller that won’t. Not surprisingly, 80 percent of criminal inmates in a Department of Justice survey said they got their guns through private means – no background check necessary.
Even when background checks are performed, prohibited purchasers can slip through the cracks because the NICS instant criminal background check system is missing millions of relevant records due to insufficient reporting by state and federal agencies. For example, 19 states have submitted fewer than 100 mental health records to NICS, and only 9 of the 60 federal agencies listed in relevant FBI data have submitted any mental health records.
Congress should act quickly to fix the criminal background check system for gun sales by 1) getting the names of everyone who isn’t allowed to buy a gun into the background check system, and 2) providing a background check for every gun purchase, with limited exceptions. Over 90 percent of Americans agree with this policy.

Americans for Responsible Solutions » Criminal Background Checks

[TonyBKK]

Just imagine is there had been a couple of armed guards on either side of that door?

You find this funny do you?

You actually believe the NRA's nonsense about “it takes a good guy with a gun to stop bad guys with a gun” and "more guns equals less violence"?


Can't you see that the only thing the gun industry and NRA care about is selling more guns?

[TonyBKK]

Just imagine is there had been a couple of armed guards on either side of that door?

Probably one of those infamous 'Gun Free' zones...

So what's the solution Booners?

[Morden]

Just imagine is there had been a couple of armed guards on either side of that door?

Perhaps someone as determined as that killer would have taken them out from a distance.

What kind of society is it that wants its kids to walk past armed guards in their school?

And I don't understand how you find humour in this matter.

[Mid]

What kind of society is it that wants its kids to walk past armed guards in their school?

me , me ,me sir ................

American .

[TonyBKK]

What kind of society is it that wants its kids to walk past armed guards in their school?

me , me ,me sir ................

American .

I can't tell if you're being serious or facetious?

Armed guards in schools? Really?

There are so many reasons why that's a bad idea.

First off, who's going to pay for it?

There are about 100,000 public schools in the US. So, it would take about 800,000 protection hours per day to provide a single armed guard for every public school in America. If the volunteers get paid $20 per hour, it would cost $16 million per day, and a 180-day school year would cost $2.88 trillion/year.

Last I heard America is already short on money for education... (Can't tax corporations and the wealthy remember- it's un-American...)

How will these armed guards be vetted? How will they be trained? What will be the rules of engagement?

Sorry mate, putting guns in schools is just a bad idea. For everyone, except the NRA and gun industry...

[Mid]

facetious

Absolutely , though serious in relation to the question .

America gets no sympathy from me until it wakes up to it's current chaos thanxs to the NRA .

[TonyBKK]

Senate's failure to pass meaningful gun control 'shameful,' Obama says (+video)

The Senate failed to get the 60 votes necessary to pass a bipartisan bill that would have expanded gun-control background checks to gun shows and Internet sales.


A clearly angry President Obama called Wednesday "a pretty shameful day for Washington" after the US Senate failed to pass a key bipartisan bill to expand background gun checks in the wake of the Sandy Hook massacre.


He called the gun lobby “willful liars” and berated mostly Republican senators for “looking for any excuse” to vote "no" on a compromise bill hammered out by Sens. Pat Toomey (R) of Pennsylvania and Joe Manchin (D) of West Virginia that would have made it harder for criminals and the mentally ill to legally buy guns at gun shows or over the Internet.


Full article- Senate's failure to pass meaningful gun control 'shameful,' Obama says (+video) - CSMonitor.com

[pseudolus]

Senate's failure to pass meaningful gun control 'shameful,' Obama says

Well, he could do something about it if he wanted to, couldn't he, Chief Opologist Tony. but he doesn't want to.

It is rather amusing. Kids getting shot and still the bozo's like tony trying to use it as a Gop V Dem flag waving contest. All this "obama says" BS. Give me a break.

Obama will never ban guns because they need a free guns and ammo market to keep the "drug lords" in weapons in South America to continue the war against Mexico. Beaucoup dollarinos to be made out of that one, especially to protect their afghan investment.

More guns for America. it's too late to have none, cos everyone has them already. to ask for them to be banned is stupid because, well Heroin is banned, so is crystal meth and you can't get that anywhere in the US.... oh ,wait a minute...

[Mr Earl]

More guns for America. it's too late to have none, cos everyone has them already. to ask for them to be banned is stupid because, well Heroin is banned, so is crystal meth and you can't get that anywhere in the US.... oh ,wait a minute...

Oops I guess government is NOT your friend.

[raycarey]

Senate's failure to pass meaningful gun control 'shameful,' Obama says

Well, he could do something about it if he wanted to, couldn't he, Chief Opologist Tony. but he doesn't want to.

ok, what could he legally do about it without the votes in the house and senate?

specifically.

spell it out for us.

[TonyBKK]

Senate's failure to pass meaningful gun control 'shameful,' Obama says

Well, he could do something about it if he wanted to, couldn't he, Chief Opologist Tony. but he doesn't want to.

ok, what could he legally do about it without the votes in the house and senate?

specifically.

spell it out for us.

Hmmm, no answer, eh?

Pseudo is prone to making asinine comments like these because he is clueless about how the US government actually works. Ignorant and angry- he'd make a fine Republican

[Boon Mee]

Ya know, now when kids are being punished for playing with guns they can say they're emulating The Messiah!



emulating President Obama.

[RickThai]

I read an interesting factoid in the newspaper recently (which I assume it true). It stated that the USA ranks number 4 in the world (from the top) in the yearly number of people murdered by someone using a gun.

However, if you subtract the number of murders committed annually by people using guns in the cities of Detroit, Chicago, New Orleans, and Washington. DC., the USA ranks number 4 from the bottom.

It also turns out, that these cities have some of the toughest gun control laws in the USA.

RickThai

[barbaro]

How many more innocents have to die at the hands of maniacs with assault weapons before America wakes up and realizes that common sense gun regulation is the right thing to do.

Tony,

You posted a picture of the Sandy Hook children and note "assault weapons."

They were not killed with assault weapons. That another media mistake (lie)?

As for regulation, how would the govt. "regulate" them. I think you're using a euphemism for banning them. This will result in armed maniac and unarmed and vulnerable citizens who would heed such a ban.

It is too late for that.

[Boon Mee]

I read an interesting factoid in the newspaper recently (which I assume it true). It stated that the USA ranks number 4 in the world (from the top) in the yearly number of people murdered by someone using a gun.

However, if you subtract the number of murders committed annually by people using guns in the cities of Detroit, Chicago, New Orleans, and Washington. DC., the USA ranks number 4 from the bottom.

It also turns out, that these cities have some of the toughest gun control laws in the USA.

RickThai

Exactly.

Did you see where Chicago had a dozen or so murders recently in just 24 hours? As said, Chicago has one of the toughest gun control measures on the books.

[slackula]

Recall how only trained law enforcement professional can be trusted with guns?

Police Chief Accidentally Shoots Himself In Hand.

If even a trained law enforcement professional can manage to accidentally shoot himself then surely that is an argument for stricter gun controls or training requirements, not looser ones?

Plus, it doesn't seem like all the kids shot at Sandy Hook were killed accidentally.

[Mr Earl]

Albeit extrordinarily tragic Sandy Hook was still a rather freak occurrence. Tugging on the emotional heartstring only serves to distract from looking at sensible solutions to the problem and looking at where the problem really is, as was mentioned in a couple of previous posts.

[slackula]

Albeit extrordinarily tragic Sandy Hook was still a rather freak occurrence. Tugging on the emotional heartstring only serves to distract from looking at sensible solutions to the problem and looking at where the problem really is, as was mentioned in a couple of previous posts.

Shut up!

Are you going to be in HKT for the July 4th celebrations on the 6th and 7th? Seems like they are going to throw a nice party out at the airpark. There is a thread about it somewhere.

[Mr Earl]

I'm going back to Argentina on the the 2nd. I fancy a little winter. Along with some fancy goat cheese.
not mention the fine vino.