Thread: Cairo Protests

I see no particular problem with the MB, or any other party, being democratically elected in Egypt- as long as it is made clear that does not give the winning party carte blanche to mess with the national Constitution. The winning party in a democracy is there to govern and administer the nation, not change the national charter at whim. It reports to and is accountable to the Constitution, not vice versa. That is where the MB stuffed up, and is also why I did not condemn the coup (for a coup it was)- they overstepped their mandate.

Originally Posted by sabang

Well, toss a coin- will the US favor the Islamists (like in Syria) or the Military in this conflict?

Your first question has already been answered, by the America-hating, white-hating, Jew-hating Muslim Socialist himself, who also happens to be President of the USA.

Originally Posted by sabang

Will it insist on elections again, and then reject the election result like it did with Hamas in Palestine?

Hamas is a terrorist outfit committed to the destruction of a UN member state. It is a proscribed group by the US and the EU; but not Britain, whose leaders are bored, lazy, naive, easily intimidated, compliant and compromised.

Hamas is also the Palestinian arm of the MB. Here's a difficult one for you: 2 + 2 = ?

Originally Posted by sabang

Or will it decide it's once great despotic friend is now it's worst enemy and greatest threat, like it did with Saddam in Iraq?

Alliances bend and sway and change, esp those dealing with Arab/Muslims. That's the way it is and has always been so get used to it because bleating won't bring about any u-turns on that one.

Originally Posted by sabang

Will it sponsor ongoing conflict and violence, like it is doing in in Syria, or will it call for peace?

Both.

Originally Posted by sabang

Will it side with a rebel minority, like it is doing in Syria, or a minority state, like it is doing in Bahrain?

See Q/A 1.

The MB was a banned organisation throughout much of the Arab/Muslim world, yet the Son of Satan gave it legitimacy in his 'keynote' speech and has sided with it ever since. He has committed his Office and through it American aid, assistance and resources to side with the MB.

Clue:

"Allah is our objective; the Koran is our law, the Prophet is our leader; Jihad is our way; and death for the sake of Allah is the highest of our aspirations" - credo of the Muslim Brotherhood

Also consider, having committed those resources to converting secular states to Islamism in his given time, it's been clearly and forcefully demonstrated that he chose the wrong side in Egypt and his ego has been bruised, which makes him ideologically unpredictable and even more dangerous than he was before the recent events in Egypt.

Originally Posted by sabang

Will it put troops on the ground, like Afghanistan, or just arm factions, like in Tunisia?

Easier to pay others to die and do the killing.

Originally Posted by sabang

Or will it finally just throw it's hands in the air and admit we ain't got a ferkin' clue, and we're staying home.

Can't do that. It would be seen as an admission that he is either a clueless control freak or a devious mofo whose actions were deliberate and designed to do maximum injury to the society that allowed a community organiser to become POTUS on the strength of his colour.

So we know he cannot stay on the sidelines without conceding one or the other.

Don't we?

Originally Posted by sabang

The only certainty is that right wing factions in the US and Israel will use this as an excuse to reject or discredit the peace process.

Ah yes, everything in your world leads to the singularity that all fair minded people should fear the right wing fanatics that support the only democracy in the region.

That about sums you up.

Originally Posted by leemo

Hamas is a terrorist outfit committed to the destruction of a UN member state.

that stole its homeland and murders it people on a regular basis...most of the world do not consider Hamas as a terrorist organisation btw..it tends just to be the west..

The MB was a banned organisation throughout much of the Arab/Muslim world,

banned by dictators..really does not mean what you are making it out to be..

Originally Posted by Primo

You were the one who is confused about the former government of Egypt,not me. I said American agencies were involved,I have no doubts about that at all. We already know that the yanks give the Egyptian army about 1.3 billion dollars every year.do you think this is free money? Do you really think that the Egyptian army do nothing to get that cash?

Of course US agencies are involved in Egypt, as they were throughout the so-called Arab Spring across North Africa that replaced secular dictators with Islamist dictators.

You are also right that the US give Egypt billions in aid, which they were giving for decades though it was increased as part of the fraud that occurred in the Rose Garden. It is Jizya disguised as aid, and until Obama slithered into the WH the US did not expect much more in return from the Egyptian military than a pretence at peace.

Originally Posted by leemo

right wing fanatics that support the only democracy in the region.

Turkey? Lebanon? I got no real problem with them.

I got a real problem though working out what Americas foreign policy is in the region, what it stands for, who it's allies and who it's enemies are.
Are you gonna expect my aussie servicemen ex-colleagues to fight side by side with Al Qaeda next time around? Knowing them, they prolly will too.

Originally Posted by Primo

Originally Posted by leemo

It wasn't a 'coup'.

Oh go boil your head, twat. You seem to think that I give an ass about Obama, I do not so take your stupid crap elsewhere.

You're free not to give an ass, but it still wasn't a coup.



twat

Originally Posted by Primo

Originally Posted by leemo

Hamas is a terrorist outfit committed to the destruction of a UN member state.

that stole its homeland and murders it people on a regular basis...most of the world do not consider Hamas as a terrorist organisation btw..it tends just to be the west..

The MB was a banned organisation throughout much of the Arab/Muslim world,

banned by dictators..really does not mean what you are making it out to be..

Does "most of the world" refer to the civilised world? I'm not much concerned with what your buddies in the OIC believe, want, or think.

Originally Posted by leemo

Does "most of the world" refer to the civilised world? I'm not much concerned with what your buddies in the OIC believe, want, or think.

Is this the new amerkin style freedom and democracy? enquiring minds wish to know.

Originally Posted by leemo

Originally Posted by Primo

Originally Posted by leemo

It wasn't a 'coup'.

Oh go boil your head, twat. You seem to think that I give an ass about Obama, I do not so take your stupid crap elsewhere.

You're free not to give an ass, but it still wasn't a coup.



twat

Of in your dream world again...yawn..

Originally Posted by leemo

Originally Posted by Primo

Originally Posted by leemo

Hamas is a terrorist outfit committed to the destruction of a UN member state.

that stole its homeland and murders it people on a regular basis...most of the world do not consider Hamas as a terrorist organisation btw..it tends just to be the west..

The MB was a banned organisation throughout much of the Arab/Muslim world,

banned by dictators..really does not mean what you are making it out to be..

Does "most of the world" refer to the civilised world? I'm not much concerned with what your buddies in the OIC believe, want, or think.

Civilised???? You are fucking kidding...ha ha ha ha funniest thing I have heard for ages that..the majority of the entire world does not think Hamas is a terrorist organisation..the people who do, seem to be friends of Israel and America as usual and no one with a brain cell takes them seriously anyway.

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

Let the people decide. Isn't that democracy in action?

Islam = Democracy

there is no such thing
or can you give me an example

Indonesia, Turkey, Bangladesh

As for Mubarak he was always a puppet of the military in any event. The military have always run Egypt. They removed him to try to appease the millions in the streets. Only worked for a little while

He has to go because he was on the road to instituting a full on Islamic state.

Any government that allows the rich who call the shots in the west to exploit the resources and labour of a Muslim country will do. An Islamic regime is preferable, less likely to nationalize resources and industries than a dictator, less likely to develope traits of socialism. The economy as prescribed by the Koran and by the right-wing happens to be the same, and who lives in spiritual lalaland, is not a trooper in class warfare. If Brotherhood and military tear the country apart, the better. The survivors will work for a $ per day and accept more foreign 'aid'.

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

As for Mubarak he was always a puppet of the military in any event. The military have always run Egypt. They removed him to try to appease the millions in the streets. Only worked for a little while

If Mubarak was a "puppet" he was an extremely rich one , with a personal fortune estimated by many good judges at 70 billion dollars , this IMHO had a huge hand in his eventual Political demise .

Originally Posted by Rainfall

Any government that allows the rich who call the shots in the west to exploit the resources and labour of a Muslim country will do. An Islamic regime is preferable, less likely to nationalize resources and industries than a dictator, less likely to develope traits of socialism. The economy as prescribed by the Koran and by the right-wing happens to be the same, and who lives in spiritual lalaland, is not a trooper in class warfare. If Brotherhood and military tear the country apart, the better. The survivors will work for a $ per day and accept more foreign 'aid'.

Speaking of living in lala land.

Originally Posted by sabang

Are you gonna expect my aussie servicemen ex-colleagues to fight side by side with Al Qaeda next time around? Knowing them, they prolly will too.

Of course you will.

Been on the side of "Right" since before Gallipoli!

Mubaraks personal fortune Mubarak family fortune could reach $70bn, says expert | World news | The Guardian

Originally Posted by piwanoi

as far as the Israelis stealing Hamas land

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by leemo

Does "most of the world" refer to the civilised world? I'm not much concerned with what your buddies in the OIC believe, want, or think.

Is this the new amerkin style freedom and democracy? enquiring minds wish to know.

Nope, just plain reality. You're welcome to hand them your ass, but not mine.

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by piwanoi

as far as the Israelis stealing Hamas land

Read post 178 Hamas does live in Gaza does it not?

Originally Posted by Primo

Originally Posted by leemo

Originally Posted by Primo

Originally Posted by leemo

It wasn't a 'coup'.

Oh go boil your head, twat. You seem to think that I give an ass about Obama, I do not so take your stupid crap elsewhere.

You're free not to give an ass, but it still wasn't a coup.



twat

Of in your dream world again...yawn..

Blimey it's recent, not like the distant past, and you've already started rewriting history?

Originally Posted by Primo

Originally Posted by leemo

Originally Posted by Primo

Originally Posted by leemo

Hamas is a terrorist outfit committed to the destruction of a UN member state.

that stole its homeland and murders it people on a regular basis...most of the world do not consider Hamas as a terrorist organisation btw..it tends just to be the west..

The MB was a banned organisation throughout much of the Arab/Muslim world,

banned by dictators..really does not mean what you are making it out to be..

Does "most of the world" refer to the civilised world? I'm not much concerned with what your buddies in the OIC believe, want, or think.

Civilised???? You are fucking kidding...ha ha ha ha funniest thing I have heard for ages that..the majority of the entire world does not think Hamas is a terrorist organisation..the people who do, seem to be friends of Israel and America as usual and no one with a brain cell takes them seriously anyway.

You do not regard Hamas as a terrorist organisation? Just asking.