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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    That 'Honor Killing' thing.

    Is that part and parcel of Sharia Law too? Genuine question.
    Reliance of the Traveller, a manual of Islamic law certified by Al-Azhar University, the most respected authority in Sunni Islam, says:

    "retaliation is obligatory against anyone who kills a human being purely intentionally and without right."

    There you go, and the Muslims and their chirping apologists are absolutely right when they insist honour killing are purely cultural and have nothing to do with Islam.


    Hang on, I missed this bit...

    "not subject to retaliation, however, is a father or mother (or their fathers or mothers) for killing their offspring, or offspring's offspring." (RoT 1.1-2).

    In other words, the killer of their child or grandchild incurs no legal penalty under Islamic (Sharia) law.

    It may be that the above have been taken out of context because I would be most surprised if Allah or his peaceloving messenger would agree with such savagery. So I shall dig in and wait for TDs illustrious apologists to respond firmly and immediately and who knows, perhaps even coherently.


    Meanwhile:

    Iraqi women recently demanded tougher sentences for honour murderers that tend to get off lightly, but this was dismissed by the democratically elected Iraqi government because it contradicts Sharia.

    The PA doles out pardons or suspended sentences for honor murders.

    Syrias reformed law for increasing sentences for honour murderers (2009) allows a man to benefit from 'extenuating circumstances' in non-lethal crimes of passion or honour, but he should serve a prison term of no less than two years in the case of killing.

    Afghan women protested for stronger sentencing for honour murderers, but most of them went home when the culturally inclined men started beating them.

    2003 saw the Jordanian Parliament vote against stiffer sentences for honour killers, on Islamic grounds, because Islamists protested such laws violate religious traditions and would destroy families and values.

    So there you have it, the Muslim murderer of his own children or grandchildren should be lightly punished if at all, in order to preserve the sanctity of Muslim family values. But there's nothing religious about it.

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    Good work, leemo.

    Was watching a thing on channel 124 here - Discovery HD World about the Muslim Architecture of the Middle Ages last night. Beautiful stuff!

    Think there's been a major disconnect between the Muslim of yesteryear and the maniacs of today...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainfall View Post

    Morsi won the elections by a narrow margin, and the majority of Egyptians was against him now.
    How do you know that? Because you see lots of people protesting against him? How do you know they that are note the SAME people against him before? I don;t doubt many people are pissed off that he's pushed the Islamist agenda - but it's hardly a surprise is it? Recall what was posted above - Cairo is one of the biggest US Embassies in the world with a huge intelligence and strategic importance. This is as much a CIA coup as it is an Egyptian secular coup. Oh wait, the US won't call it a coup.. because then they'd have to turn off the gravy train for all those corrupt Egyptian Generals and their families. Thailand is number two after Cairo - did you know that? Some say Baghdad is now bigger - maybe.
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    There has been quite a lot of talk in the media of this descending into a civil war and for a few days I've gone along with this train of thought , however reading this excellent BBC article I have come to the conclusion as well as others that this is now a full blooded "Holy war " no other word for it ,and for the Islamist's to win it would be like going back to the stone age ,and thats why in my view the Army will not let it happen BBC News - Is Egypt heading for holy war?

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    I have visited Egypt on 3 occasions which included a 'Nile Bike Ride' and the country has so much to offer in the way of magnificent history that it simply should not be surpressed by Islamic values.

    Tourism is the heart of the economy (i would recommend a Nile cruise) and the stupidy of Morsi supporters in repressing growth in the name of an imaginary god is there for all to see.

    Their wishes should quite rightly be ignored if progress is to be made.

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    ^ As stated Previously for certain tourism was a huge foreign Currency earner for Egypt but thanks to the antics of the Islamists its died a death, and now even more so ,for it to get back to what it was when you went there Mr Lick will take decades if ever .

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    Reading this article, its pretty obvious which side of this tragedy Obama supports and for me personally it comes as no surprise Articles: Obama Demands Peaceful Surrender to Brotherhood

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    Quote Originally Posted by piwanoi View Post
    Reading this article, its pretty obvious which side of this tragedy Obama supports and for me personally it comes as no surprise Articles: Obama Demands Peaceful Surrender to Brotherhood
    He's been a Muslim Appeaser from the beginning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by piwanoi View Post
    Reading this article, its pretty obvious which side of this tragedy Obama supports and for me personally it comes as no surprise Articles: Obama Demands Peaceful Surrender to Brotherhood
    He's been a Muslim Appeaser from the beginning.
    Sure he has but has he achieved anything positive by it? , some how I doubt it .

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    Quote Originally Posted by piwanoi View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by piwanoi View Post
    Reading this article, its pretty obvious which side of this tragedy Obama supports and for me personally it comes as no surprise Articles: Obama Demands Peaceful Surrender to Brotherhood
    He's been a Muslim Appeaser from the beginning.
    Sure he has but has he achieved anything positive by it? , some how I doubt it .
    Not a sausage.

    If anything, all he has achieved is more divisiveness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rainfall View Post

    Morsi won the elections by a narrow margin, and the majority of Egyptians was against him now.
    How do you know that? Because you see lots of people protesting against him? How do you know they that are note the SAME people against him before? I don;t doubt many people are pissed off that he's pushed the Islamist agenda - but it's hardly a surprise is it? Recall what was posted above - Cairo is one of the biggest US Embassies in the world with a huge intelligence and strategic importance. This is as much a CIA coup as it is an Egyptian secular coup. Oh wait, the US won't call it a coup.. because then they'd have to turn off the gravy train for all those corrupt Egyptian Generals and their families. Thailand is number two after Cairo - did you know that? Some say Baghdad is now bigger - maybe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by piwanoi View Post
    There has been quite a lot of talk in the media of this descending into a civil war and for a few days I've gone along with this train of thought , however reading this excellent BBC article I have come to the conclusion as well as others that this is now a full blooded "Holy war " no other word for it ,and for the Islamist's to win it would be like going back to the stone age ,and thats why in my view the Army will not let it happen BBC News - Is Egypt heading for holy war?
    Blimey, the BBC using the word 'holy' in context of religion and in context of Islam...? That must be a first, imagine that, the BBC, I'll need time to get over this...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by piwanoi View Post
    Reading this article, its pretty obvious which side of this tragedy Obama supports and for me personally it comes as no surprise Articles: Obama Demands Peaceful Surrender to Brotherhood
    He's been a Muslim Appeaser from the beginning.
    Does seem odd, as the article says, that the Obama admin demands "a transparent political process" from others while secretly collecting personal communications and financial data on Americans, using federal agencies to target political opponents, concocting elaborate lies to cover for the gravest moral misdeeds, and arbitrarily micromanaging the implementation of destructive laws to shield its party from election fallout.

    On second thoughts not odd at all, just part of his corrupt DNA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by piwanoi View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by piwanoi View Post
    Reading this article, its pretty obvious which side of this tragedy Obama supports and for me personally it comes as no surprise Articles: Obama Demands Peaceful Surrender to Brotherhood
    He's been a Muslim Appeaser from the beginning.
    Sure he has but has he achieved anything positive by it? , some how I doubt it .
    Which side do you mean by positive? Can't see that he's done much for whites or non-Muslims, but that could also be viewed as positive to Muslims and non-whites.

    Meanwhile, he's done a treat for the MB and various other Islamists in North Africa, Yemen, Ivory Coast, Mali, Afghanistan, working on Syria and now also Egypt.

    And he has 3 unfettered years to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leemo View Post

    Blimey, the BBC using the word 'holy' in context of religion and in context of Islam...? That must be a first, imagine that, the BBC, I'll need time to get over this...
    Think the Fabians have gone full-on commie...

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    Brilliant Egyptian Kid | Hummus For Thought

    Future leader, or destined to be offed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by leemo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by piwanoi View Post
    There has been quite a lot of talk in the media of this descending into a civil war and for a few days I've gone along with this train of thought , however reading this excellent BBC article I have come to the conclusion as well as others that this is now a full blooded "Holy war " no other word for it ,and for the Islamist's to win it would be like going back to the stone age ,and thats why in my view the Army will not let it happen BBC News - Is Egypt heading for holy war?
    Blimey, the BBC using the word 'holy' in context of religion and in context of Islam...? That must be a first, imagine that, the BBC, I'll need time to get over this...
    Hey Leemo , just BBC PC speak!

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    Quote Originally Posted by leemo View Post
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    Reading this article, its pretty obvious which side of this tragedy Obama supports and for me personally it comes as no surprise Articles: Obama Demands Peaceful Surrender to Brotherhood
    He's been a Muslim Appeaser from the beginning.
    Sure he has but has he achieved anything positive by it? , some how I doubt it .
    Which side do you mean by positive? Can't see that he's done much for whites or non-Muslims, but that could also be viewed as positive to Muslims and non-whites.

    Meanwhile, he's done a treat for the MB and various other Islamists in North Africa, Yemen, Ivory Coast, Mali, Afghanistan, working on Syria and now also Egypt.

    And he has 3 unfettered years to go.
    Sorry bout that Leemo , of course like you I think that Obomber has done nothing positive for whites and non Muslims as far as foreign policy goes since he came into Office , as for the American Home front I'll leave that in Booners able hands

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    Quote Originally Posted by leemo View Post
    Brilliant Egyptian Kid | Hummus For Thought

    Future leader, or destined to be offed?
    Brilliant Leemo just Brilliant ,the young kid shows maturity and understanding of the situation well beyond his tender years , I would like to believe that there are many more like this kid in Egypt, cos if there is it augers well for the Countrys future .

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    On July 5, El Watan (the nation), one of Egypts most popular newspapers, published the final dialogue between General Abdel Fattah al-Sisi and Dr. Muhammad Morsi, which took place on Tuesday July 2, a few hours before Morsis final speech to the Egyptian people. A reporter who was taken to an adjacent room was allowed to witness and transcribe their conversation from a TV screen. I translate the entire speech as it appears on El Watan below:


    Exchange Between Morsi and Sisi

    Morsi: Whats the militarys position concerning whats going on? Is it just going to stand by watching? Shouldnt it protect the legitimacy?

    Sisi: What legitimacy? The entire army is with the will of the people, and the overwhelming majority of people, according to documented reports, dont want you.

    Morsi: My supporters are many and they wont be silent.

    Sisi: The army will not allow anyone to destroy the nation, no matter what happens.

    Morsi: What if I dont want to leave?

    Sisi: The matter is settled and no longer up to you. Try to leave with your dignity and tell those whom you call supporters to go back to their homes in order to prevent bloodshed, instead of threatening the people through them.

    Morsi: But this way it will be a military coup, and America wont leave you alone.

    Sisi: The people concern us, not America. And since youve started to talk this way, Ill talk to you candidly. We have evidence to condemn you and to condemn many governmental officials of compromising Egypts national security. The judiciary will have its say and you will all be judged before the whole people.

    Morsi: Okay, can you permit me to make a few phone calls and then afterwards Ill decide on what to do?

    Sisi: You are not permitted; but we can let you check up on your family only.

    Morsi: Am I imprisoned or what?

    Sisi: You are under arrest from this moment.

    Morsi: Dont think the Brotherhood is going to stand by if I leave office. They will set the world on fire.

    Sisi: Just let them try something and youll see the reaction of the army. Whoever among them wants to live in peace, hes more than welcome; otherwise, [if they try anything] we will not leave them alone. We will not single anyone out, and the Brotherhood is from the Egyptian people, so dont try to use them as fuel for your disgusting war. If you truly love them, leave office and let them go to their homes.

    Morsi: Anyway, Im not going, and the people outside of Egypt are all with me, and my supporters are not going.

    Sisi: Anyway, Ive advised you.

    Morsi: Okay, but take careIm the one who hired you as minister and can remove you.

    Sisi: I became minister of defense due to the militarys will and not yoursand you know this very well. Moreover, you cant remove me; thats ityou no longer have any legitimacy.

    Morsi: Okay, if I agree to be removed, will you allow me to travel abroad and promise not to imprison me?

    Sisi: I cant offer you any promises. Its the justice [department] that will pass its verdict.

    Morsi: Okay, if thats the case, Ill make it war, and well see who will prevail in the end.

    Sisi: Naturally the people will win.

    For our native English speakers:
    Exposed: Final Conversation Between Morsi and Sisi | Raymond Ibrahim

    For our native Arabic speakers:
    الوطن | «الوطن» تنفرد بآخر [at]وار بين وزير الدفاع والرئيس المعزول.. «السيسى»: [at]اول تمشى بكرامتك.. «مرسى»: أمريكا مش هتسيبكم

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    الوطن | «الوطن» تنفرد بآخر [at]وار بين وزير الدفاع والرئيس المعزول.. «السيسى»: [at]اول تمشى بكرامتك.. «مرسى»: أمريكا مش هتسيبكم

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    Interesting article , obviously Morsi only cares about his own neck , and cares fuck all for his religious cannon fodder who are prepared to lay down their lives for his evil regime .

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    Hopefully he will have helped remit the MB to another 90 years in the shadows. In Egypt, that is.

    In the US and Europe it's probably too late, since the MB is far better established, organised, financed and supported than they are in Egypt and the ME region, and also concealed from us by our own ignorant leaders and the media.

    I stand by my "extreme right wing" belief that Muslim despots, tyrants and dictators across the Muslim world understand the Muslim Brotherhood and the evils it represents far better than our blissfully naive leaders and media do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by piwanoi View Post
    Interesting article , obviously Morsi only cares about his own neck , and cares fuck all for his religious cannon fodder who are prepared to lay down their lives for his evil regime .
    Muzzie at his best.

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    Morsi knows Obama is on his team, as demonstrated in North Africa and other Muslim countries, and until some other message arrives he will bank on his ideological bedmate to overcome his embarrassment at picking such a duffer and stay with it. I thought that message came when Dubai closed all MB offices in the country and deported its spiritual head, probably with the nod or order of DC, even though they are still supporting and supplying AQ/MB and other rebels in Syria. Doesn't seem to make much sense, but that's because Arab/Muslim friendships and alliances are held together with gum.

    Or as he's stated, he's happy enough to draw Egypt into civil war because such strife sends the markets swooning and traditionally has Western leaders in a panic to end it regardless of which tyrant gets the top job, which is invariably the one that's most demanding, intransigent, determined, corrupt, and of course brutal.

    Also, even with the military holding the fort for now and many MB performers under arrest, the MB is still the best funded and organised party in Egypt. The Salafist Nour are second, and hostile to any form of government short of Sharia. Baradei and his lot would bleed the country dry whilst running it into the ground, but with the right guarantees Obama could be sure of being out of office before it gets serious.

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    They are rioting again - churches in Egypt are being set ablaze and dozens have been killed in Wednesday violence.

    Meanwhile, Obama and his star team of diplomats headed up by John Kerry are sitting on their hands...

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