Thread: Cairo Protests

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by leemo

Bad news is that this will embarrass and piss off the mad dog even more.

And further to the 'bad news' is we have 3.5 more years of having to deal with him. He still doesn't realize he's a major lame-duck. This latest with his health care law extension dings him even more.

Mad dog frothing at the mouth...

Good advice over his last month or two: take cover.

This whole thing, like thailand just demonstrates that democracy is only a somewhat viable option for stable government if a whole range of social prerequisites are in place.
Relative income parity, stable and strong institutions, a largely secular populace.
It can't be forced onto a feudal society or they will vote themselves straight back into whatever form of slavery, economic or religious, that the revolution displaced.
Muslim countries will vote themselves into a theocracy every time. Just as thailand keeps electing a kleptocracy.
Sometimes, a benevolent dictator is really the best way.

Originally Posted by Necron99

Sometimes, a benevolent dictator is really the best way.

Agree.

Life here in LOS wasn't too bad under General Kriangsak Chamanan. He knocked the commies on the head and the Baht was stable.

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by leemo

raided the Egyptian offices of Al Jazeera (yes, that "moderate" terrorist channel

Owned by the Emirate of Qatar, one of the largest funders of the Syrian rebels. So what do the 'Buckingham Palace will be a Mosque' crew think of this considerable pushback against Islamisation? Ditto the protests in Turkey.

I killed a cockroach yesterday, but cockroaches still exist today. Incredible!

But really, don't you think it's a bit ambitious to celebrate a temporary and minor setback for the MB as though it and Islamism and Jihad will suddenly disappear and we can all live happily ever after because there won't be an Islamic flag over Buck House? It may be embarrassing but far from a mortal blow to the MB, it still has immense support in Egypt and throughout the Arab/Muslim world - which could turn a so-called revolution into civil war - it is a powerful, well funded and organised group, and it will bounce back with new faces or old. It didn't survive in the shadows for so long, shunned and persecuted by Arab/Muslim leaders only to roll over and die because the Egyptian people woke up one day and decided to reject their methods of installing Sharia. It is Sharia that was rejected, not only their bedside manner.

Back in the real world and all that's happened in Egypt, and Turkey since you brought it up, will be overcome in time as the MB regroup, reorganise, review their errors and tactics, and make their next public move for recognition. That's in Egypt! It makes little difference if this takes a year or ten, because willful Western ignorance, fear and intimidation have allowed MB proxies to entrench and continue expanding throughout the civilised world, as respectable and "moderate" Islamic organisations.

Meanwhile, their closest threat on home turf is the Salafist party, which can get a bit confusing because the MB is itself Salafist. So, if the Egyptian people reject both the MB and the Salafist (Nu) party, what's left will never form an effective government and my wager would be a suffocating vacuum leading to civil war in which the West could support either side at random, because both would lead to disaster.

And more confusion/hypocrisy if you wish, as the emir of Qatar funds the Syrian rebels which include MB, AQ and a bunch of other terrorist outfits, having got the nod from the West, but suddenly closes all MB offices in the state, revokes Qaradawi's citizenship and tells him to get out of the country. Qaradawi is the MB spiritual leader (ie a moderate terrorist) and found sanctuary in Qatar after being exiled from Egypt under Mubarak for inciting terrorism. Where he goes is anyone's bet; Britain's governing weasels would welcome him, while the black guy would probably roll out a green carpet.

Egypt troops kill pro-Morsi marchers




Ambulances rushed to the scene of the shooting

Egyptian security forces have opened fire on supporters of ousted Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi in Cairo, killing three people.

The incident occurred as crowds gathered outside the officers' club of the Presidential Guard, where Mr Morsi is believed to be held.

The Muslim Brotherhood has been demanding his reinstatement.

The army, which removed Mr Morsi in response to widespread unrest, had deployed troops around Cairo.

The BBC's Jeremy Bowen at the scene says that after passionate Friday Prayers at the nearby Rabaa al-Adawiya Mosque, about 2,000 Morsi supporters marched towards the officers' club.

Soldiers there warned people not to cross the road. But as the crowd grew, got angrier and pushed forward, the troops opened fire - first into the air, then at the protesters.

Our correspondent says he saw one man fall to the ground with blood on his clothes.

Mr Morsi's removal followed days of mass protests, largely organised by the Tamarod [Rebel] movement.



The protesters accused Mr Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood - to which he belongs - of pursuing an Islamist agenda against the wishes of the majority, and of failing to tackle economic problems.

Mr Morsi, Egypt's first freely elected leader, is in detention, as are senior figures in the Brotherhood. Arrests warrants have been issued for some 300 others.

Ahead of Friday's rallies by Morsi supporters, the army command said it would not take "arbitrary measures against any faction or political current" and would guarantee the right to protest, as long as demonstrations did not threaten national security.

"Peaceful protest and freedom of expression are rights guaranteed to everyone, which Egyptians have earned as one of the most important gains of their glorious revolution," it said.

But Muslim Brotherhood spokesman Gehad al-Haddad said the movement was refusing to co-operate with the new leadership and demanded the immediate release of those detained.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23202096

Well at least they'll get their 72-year-old virgin.

WTF did they think would happen if they marched on the Presidential Guard?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

72-year-old virgin

Brethren, meet the Muslim Sisterhood.

Egypt clashes after army fire kills Morsi supporters



Supporters and opponents of ousted Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi have clashed hours after three pro-Morsi protesters were killed by army fire.

The rival groups hurled fireworks and stones at each other across Cairo's 6th October Bridge, near to Tahrir Square.

Witnesses say a car was set ablaze and supporters of both sides were arming themselves with batons and bottles.

The army removed Mr Morsi from power on Wednesday after millions of people protested over his leadership.


Ugly clashes

Tensions in Cairo escalated after Egyptian troops opened fire on crowds that had gathered outside the Republican Guard headquarters, where Mr Morsi is believed to be held.





Jeremy Bowen witnessed the shooting, and was also hit by shot gun pellets above the ear


Three people were killed and dozens more wounded, including the BBC's Jeremy Bowen whose head was grazed by shotgun pellets.

Tens of thousands of supporters of the Muslim Brotherhood - to whom Mr Morsi belongs - had massed outside Rabaa al-Adawiya Mosque throughout the day.

By evening, the crowd had filled nearby streets and the Brotherhood's supreme leader, Mohammed Badie, told the crowd: "We shall stay in the squares until we bring President Morsi back to power."

He said their protests would remain peaceful and called on the army not to "direct your arms against us".

Shortly afterwards, a large crowd of Muslim Brotherhood supporters surged across the 6th October Bridge, over the Nile river, towards Tahrir Square where anti-Morsi protesters were gathered.

The BBC's Gavin Lee, overlooking the bridge, has described running clashes that are getting uglier.

A car has been set on fire and stones and fireworks are being thrown. Supporters on both sides are arming themselves with batons, bits of woods and bottles.

Mr Morsi hails from the Muslim Brotherhood, and both have been accused of pursuing an Islamist agenda against the wishes of the majority and of failing to tackle economic problems.

It's called Real Smart Diplomacy.

” Foreign Policy: “U.S. President Barack Obama’s administration has achieved the hat trick of alienating all factions in Egypt.”

Good thing we got rid of that dumb cowboy Bush. He was real unpopular in the ME.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

It's called Real Smart Diplomacy.

” Foreign Policy: “U.S. President Barack Obama’s administration has achieved the hat trick of alienating all factions in Egypt.”

Good thing we got rid of that dumb cowboy Bush. He was real unpopular in the ME.

I'm afraid no-one was ever going to be a winner here. When Mubarak was at his most hated, the Egyptian people were united against him, so it was logical to support them, but criticise too much and you'd risk alienating the real rulers of Egypt, the military.

Now they've fractured, who do you support? Who's to say another election and a secular government will solve the problem, and not just repeat the whole circus in a few years time?

The FP article gets many things wrong in this article, but they did get one thing right:

Realize these guys are amateurs.

Egyptians aren't too good at democracy because they haven't had much practice.

Booners, why don't you tell us what you think Obama (or any other president) should do?

Bring back King Farouk?

Beats me but that's why we got John 'Yachtsman' Kerry who is certain to hose the situation up even more.

Heh...always smiled at that University named after Farouk there in Cairo.

'Farouk U'!

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Bring back King Farouk?

Beats me but that's why we got John 'Yachtsman' Kerry who is certain to hose the situation up even more.

Heh...always smiled at that University named after Farouk there in Cairo.

'Farouk U'!

I'm afraid this one will run and run. As usual the muslims have had far more children than they can afford, and now they are rioting about the poverty they are in a worse state than they were in before, because the crucial tourism sector is in tatters.

Saudi will only prop them up for so long, and America can't afford it.

^ Tom Sawyer says to me in his red that the masses voting themselves into a theocracy is a valid democratic statement.
Thoughts?

ElBaradei to become Egyptian PM





Leading liberal Egyptian politician Mohamed ElBaradei is to be named prime minister, the BBC understands.

Mena state news agency says he is meeting interim President Adly Mahmud Mansour, three days after the army removed Islamist leader Mohammed Morsi amid growing nationwide unrest.

The move in turn triggered violent unrest by Morsi supporters on Friday.

Mr ElBaradei, a former head of the UN nuclear watchdog, leads an alliance of liberal and left-wing parties.

In a BBC interview on Thursday, Mr ElBaradei defended the army's intervention, saying: "We were between a rock and a hard place."

"It is a painful measure, nobody wanted that," he said. "But Mr Morsi unfortunately undermined his own legitimacy by declaring himself a few months ago as a pharaoh and then we got into a fist fight, and not a democratic process."

More than 30 people died and hundreds were wounded in Friday's protests by Islamist supporters of the deposed president.

Huge crowds have demonstrated again in Cairo on Saturday to demand his reinstatement.

Meanwhile opponents of Mr Morsi have called for demonstrations against the Muslim Brotherhood, to which he belongs, on Sunday.

He is in detention, along with some senior Brotherhood figures.

Originally Posted by Mr Lick

Leading liberal Egyptian politician Mohamed ElBaradei is to be named prime minister, the BBC understands.

Good move.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

view the U.S. president as a hypocrite

Well gee, why might that be?

Originally Posted by Mr Lick

ElBaradei to become Egyptian PM

The man in quest of the elusive Weapons of Mass Destruction now benefits as a result of Weapons of Mass Demonstration.

Another Middle Eastern country that will be a basket case for decades to come thanks to interference from the West. Why can't America and its UK lap dog stop trying to police the world and go deal with the many problems they both have in their own countries.

Think of all the people who would lose their power, influence and an awful lot of money if the US pulled out of Afghanistan & Iraq, ceased funding islamists in syria, actually brokered a peace in palestine, and generally retreated to a 'prop up our oil' strategy, rather than an offensive 'meddle with the region' type strategy. It seems to me the banking and security complexes in the US largely function as a state within a state. Self perpetuating, revolving door, self reinforcing, self justifying. Better oversight is needed.

Allah is our objective. The Prophet is our leader. The Qur'an is our law. Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope. - motto of the Muslim Brotherhood

Doubts over ElBaradei's appointment as Egypt PM



Egypt's new president says pro-reform leader Mohamed Elbaradei has not yet been appointed as interim prime minister despite earlier reports.

A spokesman for interim President Adly Mansour said consultations were continuing.

Officials had earlier named Mr ElBaradei - a former head of the UN's nuclear watchdog - for the post.

News of his appointment had been criticised by the Salafist Nour Party, which said it would not work with him.

It came three days after the army removed Islamist leader Mohammed Morsi following growing public unrest.

The appointment of Mr ElBaradei caused anger among supporters of Mr Morsi, who want to see him returned to power.

"Interim President Adly Mansour met today with Dr ElBaradei but so far there has been no official appointment," Agence France-Presse news agency quoted presidential advisor Ahmed al-Muslimani as saying.

But he added that Mr ElBaradei was "the logical choice" among a list of names being considered, the news agency said.

Mr ElBaradei and other party leaders attended a meeting called by Mr Mansour on Saturday.

He leads an alliance of liberal and left-wing parties, the National Salvation Front.

A train wreck in slow motion...