Thread: Cairo Protests

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

They are rioting again - churches in Egypt are being set ablaze and dozens have been killed in Wednesday violence.

Meanwhile, Obama and his star team of diplomats headed up by John Kerry are sitting on their hands...

Hundreds have been killed.
John Kerry is in Israel trying to talk to the jews who are not listening and doing what they want. Now the egyptian people are doing what they want. After the Usrael puppet Mubarak is gone the Egyptians are out of controll.
Maybe the U.S. should build settlements/houses for the Egyptian people like it does for the Zionist.

Looks like ElBaradei is trying to cover his ass. He obviously knows his own people.

Tianmen square all over again.

They shouldnt be attacking churches they should be planning a counter coup or start a militant campaign targeting the assets of all those corrupt generals. I mean they're pretty good at the suicide thing aren't they? New targets that's all

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

They shouldnt be attacking churches they should be planning a counter coup or start a militant campaign targeting the assets of all those corrupt generals. I mean they're pretty good at the suicide thing aren't they? New targets that's all

Not quite sure as to just what you are proposing ,are you saying that Egypt's future would be far better off in the hands of Morsi and the Muslim brotherhood and a radical Islamic Government ?

Let the people decide. Isn't that democracy in action?

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

Let the people decide. Isn't that democracy in action?

Sure I could not agree any more, but they they have already decided and the overwhelming majority of Egyptians are now against Morsi and the MB , as the millions of anti Morsi Egyptians rebelling in the streets will testify.

Of course it's not the army and of course it's the Muslims - did I suggest otherwise? Though it's possible the army or CIA did the job too

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

Let the people decide. Isn't that democracy in action?

Give Muslims a vote and Islam will invariably slither to victory. So much for the 'democratic' process which ends on the evening of an election.

But you are right, the people did decide, but then they realised they had been conned, with Western collusion, and also that they had it much better under the very secular regime they had been coerced into overthrowing a couple of years earlier in the name of democracy.

Much the same happens in the West, where candidates routinely put on their best false face in the runup to voting. The difference is that we advanced people are "polite" and "civilised" and grumble as we wait for the next election, while Egyptians decided to actually do something about it.

The biggest victim of this fiasco is Obama's bruised ego, which overrides any number of deaths.

So much for Obama's so-called Smart Diplomacy. He's managed to piss off both sides in this conflict easily surpassing Jimmy Carter's abysmal foreign policy record.

In terms of who is responsible for the violence, it's all with those lovely Brotherhood fellows as Ralph Peters explains:

"In full outrage mode, America’s most famous windsurfer [John Kerry] castigated the Egyptian authorities, insisting that the Muslim Brotherhood had a right to “peaceful protests.” Apparently, “peaceful” means armed with Kalashnikovs, killing policemen, kidnapping and torturing opponents, turning mosques into prisons, attacking Christians and burning Coptic churches.

The Brotherhood protesters rejected all offers of compromise and all demands to disperse. The interim government’s response was heavy-handed, but the Muslim Brothers chose violent resistance — using women and children as shields (a tactic typical of Islamist terrorists).

Do we really need to have sympathy for the devil?With its blundering, fickle, late-in-the-day support for whoever appeared to be gaining the upper hand, the Obama administration has managed the remarkable feat of alienating every faction in Egypt. And it’s a sorry day when an American administration abets religious totalitarianism, as this White House did when the “democratically elected” Morsi regime tried to Islamize Egypt’s government and society for keeps."

"There was, indeed, a coup. But not all coups involve tanks. The real coup came after Egypt’s premature, badly flawed election, when Morsi and the Brotherhood excluded all non-Brothers from the political process; curtailed media freedoms and jailed journalists; attacked Christians; and rushed toward an Islamist state that the majority of Egyptians did not want."

Well done, Barry...

Partly right. Here's a slightly different take.

The Arab Spring, quite possibly engineered by CIA or Mossad or both spun out of control and into staunch ally Egypt. In a panic to fo something, it was agreed that Mubarak had to go, to give some breathing space. Eventually his trial was thrown out and he was moved out of sight to a military hospital. The CIA continued to conspire with the Egptian generals they've been bankrolling for decades on the next move. An election was held as pressure for one grew and grew. Fearing a real democratic revolution, it was agreed to hold the vote. Morsi's victory meant no holds barred military CIA backed mass murder. Egyptians will figure this out soon enough and realizing that elections don't work, they will overthrow the military by civil war. Five years from now Israel will have another Iran as a new neighbor. And the rest of the West will be truly fucked - think Suez Canal

Wow...

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

Let the people decide. Isn't that democracy in action?

Islam = Democracy

there is no such thing
or can you give me an example

Egypt crisis: Defiant Muslim Brotherhood plans marches





The BBC's Jeremy Bowen spoke to families mourning their dead



The Egyptian capital Cairo is poised for renewed protests as supporters of ousted President Mohammed Morsi call for marches after Friday prayers.

The call comes two days after authorities broke up Muslim Brotherhood protest camps in the Egyptian capital with the loss of at least 638 lives.

Egypt is in a state of emergency and police have been authorised to use live ammunition in self-defence.

Meanwhile, Egypt's interim leaders have criticised remarks by President Obama.

On Thursday, Mr Obama condemned the government's actions in ordering security forces to break up the protest camps, and cancelled joint military exercises.

He said co-operation could not continue while civilians were being killed. However, he stopped short of cutting $1.3bn (£830m) in aid that the US gives to Egypt.

The Egyptian presidency said in a statement in the early hours of Friday that Mr Obama's words were "not based on fact" and would "embolden armed groups".





It said Egypt was facing "terrorist acts".

The Muslim Brotherhood called on its supporters to gather in mosques for Friday prayers and then take to the streets of Cairo in a "march of anger".

The group's leaders say they will hold marches under the slogan "the people want to topple the coup".

Security in the capital is tight, with many armoured personnel carriers on the streets.
Members of groups opposed to Mr Morsi - the National Salvation Front and Tamarod - are reported to have called for counter-demonstrations in response.

There have also been calls for people to protect their neighbourhoods and churches throughout the country.

Egypt's Coptic Christian community has been targeted by some Islamists who accuse the Church of backing the army's overthrow of Mr Morsi last month.

The Egyptian Initiative for Personal Rights, an NGO, says 25 churches, along with private homes and businesses belonging to Copts and other Christian denominations, were attacked on Wednesday and Thursday.

Washington's recent diplomatic efforts in Egypt have failed one after the other”

Kim Ghattas BBC state department correspondent

There are fears of renewed bloodshed after authorities said the police were authorised to use live ammunition to protect themselves and key state institutions from attack.

Reports say there were renewed attacks on security forces on Thursday, with at least seven soldiers and a policeman killed in the Sinai peninsula and another police officer killed in the central city of Assuit.

US Republican Senator John McCain told BBC Newsnight that the ousting of President Morsi was a "coup" and President Obama should have cut off aid to Egypt as a result.

The US has been careful not to use the word coup as under US law this would mean stopping aid.

"I am confused that we would not enforce our own laws," he said.

"That sends a message of tolerance of brutality, of ineffective American leadership to the Muslim world, that the United States of America at least condones this kind of behaviour, which we cannot."


Grieving relatives have been identifying the victims of Wednesday's violence



'Maximum restraint'

Wednesday's bloodshed has drawn widespread international condemnation.

Late on Thursday, the UN Security Council met in emergency session at the request of France, Britain and Australia.

Following the meeting, Argentina's ambassador to the UN, Maria Cristina Perceval, said the Council called for the Egyptian government and the Muslim Brotherhood to exercise "maximum restraint" and to end the violence.




US Senator John McCain: "The law is very clear that if there is a coup aid is cut off"

Turkey, which described Wednesday's events as a "massacre", has recalled its ambassador to Cairo "to discuss the latest developments".

Wednesday's violence began when armoured bulldozers moved into the two Cairo protest camps.

The smaller of the two camps, at Nahda Square, was cleared quickly but clashes raged for several hours in and around the main encampment near the Rabaa al-Adawiya mosque. The mosque was badly damaged by fire.

Egyptian interim Prime Minister Hazem Beblawi said the authorities had to restore security.

Mr Morsi, Egypt's first democratically elected president, is in custody accused of murder over a 2011 jailbreak. His period of detention was extended by 30 days on Thursday, state media said.

www.bbc.co.uk/new/world-middle-east-23721584

I just wonder if those that have ordered the marches are leading by example ,or their wife's and kids have been used as human shields ?

If it gets worse, like much worse, even libtards might concede that leaders in that region might know their people better than do hand wringing armchair bleaters, which is why Arab/Muslim "tyrants" for decades banned the MB from political discourse and ran it into the shadows.

Note that the America-hating, white-hating, Jew-hating Muslim Socialist in the WH is responsible for having breathed life into that evil organisation in that region. But the irony, or tragedy, is that even before the Son of Satan gave presidential legitimacy to the MB, it was already flourishing in a West whose leaders were and to a large extent still are either naive or willfully ignorant of the severe threats that it represents.

Originally Posted by leemo

If it gets worse, like much worse, even libtards might concede that leaders in that region might know their people better than do hand wringing armchair bleaters, which is why Arab/Muslim "tyrants" for decades banned the MB from political discourse and ran it into the shadows.

Note that the America-hating, white-hating, Jew-hating Muslim Socialist in the WH is responsible for having breathed life into that evil organisation in that region. But the irony, or tragedy, is that even before the Son of Satan gave presidential legitimacy to the MB, it was already flourishing in a West whose leaders were and to a large extent still are either naive or willfully ignorant of the severe threats that it represents.

I just wonder how many out there think that Obama's foreign policy regarding the Middle East has been an unbridled success story?, hey but hang on a minute just like the shattered US Economy this is all the fault of his predecessor GW no doubt about it!

Today

1343: Jeremy Bowen BBC Middle East editor
reports: I have now seen 6 dead bodies and several dozen injured, some of them seriously. I can see the road running towards Ramses Square and lots of people are walking towards the square. Clouds of smoke are rising from the square.


1347: Matthew Price Europe correspondent
reports: European Union diplomats will meet in Brussels on Monday to discuss their response to the bloody crackdown in Egypt. The emergency meeting is a chance for all 28 member countries to outline their position on the situation. Some EU states have already suggested that European aid to Egypt should be frozen.


1348: Jeremy Bowen BBC Middle East editor
reports: I've just seen a seventh body brought here to this mosque near Ramses Square. The bodies are being wrapped in green prayer mats then taken upstairs to be wrapped in white shrouds. Horrible scenes.


From www.bbc.co.uk

Bethany Bell BBC News
reports: State TV here in Cairo says there have been 12 deaths to the north and east of Cairo.


1353: Bethany Bell BBC News, Cairo
Muslim Brotherhood sources say that 25 people have been killed in protests at Ramses Square in central Cairo.


Claire Read BBC Arabic, Cairo
tweets: Interior Ministry issues statement saying they will deal with attempts to attack state institutions "severely"

Here is my take on the situation in Egypt. The Muslim Brotherhood were democratically elected,the west did not like that at all because their guys failed to get elected,so they back their old friends, the Egyptian army, who they have been funding for a very long time, to overthrow the democratically elected government. The west stands on the sidelines and they cannot even have the balls to call it a coup,which is what it was. The Americans talk about the deaths there but they do not give a rats ass really and you just know that the Egyptian army will still be getting their funding sometime soon.

The west like the the Egyptian army because they do what they want,they have already been closing down the tunnels into Gaza, which obviously the Israelis want and what the Israelis want the Americans give them.

So anyway,there will be more deaths,the west will say little about them really and Egypt will be a dictatorship again which is what the west wants because they do not want a democratically elected government in Egypt which is friendly with Hamas and not their friend.