Thread: Cairo Protests

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

So much for Obama's so-called Smart Diplomacy. He's managed to piss off both sides in this conflict easily surpassing Jimmy Carter's abysmal foreign policy record. In terms of who is responsible for the violence, it's all with those lovely Brotherhood fellows as Ralph Peters explains: "In full outrage mode, America’s most famous windsurfer [John Kerry] castigated the Egyptian authorities, insisting that the Muslim Brotherhood had a right to “peaceful protests.” Apparently, “peaceful” means armed with Kalashnikovs, killing policemen, kidnapping and torturing opponents, turning mosques into prisons, attacking Christians and burning Coptic churches. The Brotherhood protesters rejected all offers of compromise and all demands to disperse. The interim government’s response was heavy-handed, but the Muslim Brothers chose violent resistance — using women and children as shields (a tactic typical of Islamist terrorists). Do we really need to have sympathy for the devil?With its blundering, fickle, late-in-the-day support for whoever appeared to be gaining the upper hand, the Obama administration has managed the remarkable feat of alienating every faction in Egypt. And it’s a sorry day when an American administration abets religious totalitarianism, as this White House did when the “democratically elected” Morsi regime tried to Islamize Egypt’s government and society for keeps." "There was, indeed, a coup. But not all coups involve tanks. The real coup came after Egypt’s premature, badly flawed election, when Morsi and the Brotherhood excluded all non-Brothers from the political process; curtailed media freedoms and jailed journalists; attacked Christians; and rushed toward an Islamist state that the majority of Egyptians did not want." Well done, Barry...

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

Partly right. Here's a slightly different take. The Arab Spring, quite possibly engineered by CIA or Mossad or both spun out of control and into staunch ally Egypt. In a panic to fo something, it was agreed that Mubarak had to go, to give some breathing space. Eventually his trial was thrown out and he was moved out of sight to a military hospital. The CIA continued to conspire with the Egptian generals they've been bankrolling for decades on the next move. An election was held as pressure for one grew and grew. Fearing a real democratic revolution, it was agreed to hold the vote. Morsi's victory meant no holds barred military CIA backed mass murder. Egyptians will figure this out soon enough and realizing that elections don't work, they will overthrow the military by civil war. Five years from now Israel will have another Iran as a new neighbor. And the rest of the West will be truly fucked - think Suez Canal

Read and learn kids.

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

So much for Obama's so-called Smart Diplomacy. He's managed to piss off both sides in this conflict easily surpassing Jimmy Carter's abysmal foreign policy record. In terms of who is responsible for the violence, it's all with those lovely Brotherhood fellows as Ralph Peters explains: "In full outrage mode, America’s most famous windsurfer [John Kerry] castigated the Egyptian authorities, insisting that the Muslim Brotherhood had a right to “peaceful protests.” Apparently, “peaceful” means armed with Kalashnikovs, killing policemen, kidnapping and torturing opponents, turning mosques into prisons, attacking Christians and burning Coptic churches. The Brotherhood protesters rejected all offers of compromise and all demands to disperse. The interim government’s response was heavy-handed, but the Muslim Brothers chose violent resistance — using women and children as shields (a tactic typical of Islamist terrorists). Do we really need to have sympathy for the devil?With its blundering, fickle, late-in-the-day support for whoever appeared to be gaining the upper hand, the Obama administration has managed the remarkable feat of alienating every faction in Egypt. And it’s a sorry day when an American administration abets religious totalitarianism, as this White House did when the “democratically elected” Morsi regime tried to Islamize Egypt’s government and society for keeps." "There was, indeed, a coup. But not all coups involve tanks. The real coup came after Egypt’s premature, badly flawed election, when Morsi and the Brotherhood excluded all non-Brothers from the political process; curtailed media freedoms and jailed journalists; attacked Christians; and rushed toward an Islamist state that the majority of Egyptians did not want." Well done, Barry...

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

Partly right. Here's a slightly different take. The Arab Spring, quite possibly engineered by CIA or Mossad or both spun out of control and into staunch ally Egypt. In a panic to fo something, it was agreed that Mubarak had to go, to give some breathing space. Eventually his trial was thrown out and he was moved out of sight to a military hospital. The CIA continued to conspire with the Egptian generals they've been bankrolling for decades on the next move. An election was held as pressure for one grew and grew. Fearing a real democratic revolution, it was agreed to hold the vote. Morsi's victory meant no holds barred military CIA backed mass murder. Egyptians will figure this out soon enough and realizing that elections don't work, they will overthrow the military by civil war. Five years from now Israel will have another Iran as a new neighbor. And the rest of the West will be truly fucked - think Suez Canal

ALL of that is just "quite possibly' As opposed to actual facts in the section above.
FFS

Read and learn kids.

You forgot something.
All that's all just 'quite possibly. Whereas the section at top is actual fact.
FFS

What happened there?

Originally Posted by Koojo

What happened there?

It was the CIA mate

Anyway, we all see things differently.

What a bloody mess...
Harks of old Cold War proxy conflicts......as many types of sorted unrests that circles the globe.

So...things really haven't changed much, have they?

Originally Posted by Koojo

Originally Posted by Rural Surin

What a bloody mess...
Harks of old Cold War proxy conflicts......as many types of sorted unrests that circles the globe.

So...things really haven't changed much, have they?

If the U.S. agencies were in any way involved I would be very surprised.
Why would they destabilize a friendly government without being sure who will fill the void.

Exactly how were the former Egyptian government friendly to the USA? I am sure American government agencies are all over this coup like a rash,as always.

Originally Posted by Primo

Originally Posted by Koojo

Originally Posted by Rural Surin

What a bloody mess...
Harks of old Cold War proxy conflicts......as many types of sorted unrests that circles the globe.

So...things really haven't changed much, have they?

If the U.S. agencies were in any way involved I would be very surprised.
Why would they destabilize a friendly government without being sure who will fill the void.

Exactly how were the former Egyptian government friendly to the USA? I am sure American government agencies are all over this coup like a rash,as always.

You're kidding right?
In your repo message you said you live there, you didn't know Hosni Maburak was a friend of Washington?
He was for probably longer than you've been alive.

Originally Posted by Koojo

Originally Posted by Primo

Originally Posted by Koojo

Originally Posted by Rural Surin

What a bloody mess...
Harks of old Cold War proxy conflicts......as many types of sorted unrests that circles the globe.

So...things really haven't changed much, have they?

If the U.S. agencies were in any way involved I would be very surprised.
Why would they destabilize a friendly government without being sure who will fill the void.

Exactly how were the former Egyptian government friendly to the USA? I am sure American government agencies are all over this coup like a rash,as always.

You're kidding right?
In your repo message you said you live there, you didn't know Hosni Maburak was a friend of Washington?
He was for probably longer than you've been alive.

My repo message was about gypsies in the UK and the former government was not Mubarak..it was Morsi...So tell us how Morsi was friendly towards the USA.

Originally Posted by Primo

Originally Posted by Koojo

Originally Posted by Primo

Originally Posted by Koojo

Originally Posted by Rural Surin

What a bloody mess...
Harks of old Cold War proxy conflicts......as many types of sorted unrests that circles the globe.

So...things really haven't changed much, have they?

If the U.S. agencies were in any way involved I would be very surprised.
Why would they destabilize a friendly government without being sure who will fill the void.

Exactly how were the former Egyptian government friendly to the USA? I am sure American government agencies are all over this coup like a rash,as always.

You're kidding right?
In your repo message you said you live there, you didn't know Hosni Maburak was a friend of Washington?
He was for probably longer than you've been alive.

My repo message was about gypsies in the UK and the former government was not Mubarak..it was Morsi...So tell us how Morsi was friendly towards the USA.

Don't be a dick, how long was morsi president for.
Are you saying the CIA orchestrated the uprising against morsi?

Civil war,undoutedly, just watch Friday prayers turn into a demostration,every Friday,and as more die,more anger,more die,every week,week in and week out.Year in and year out.

Originally Posted by Primo

We already know that the yanks give the Egyptian army about 1.3 billion dollars every year.do you think this is free money? Do you really think that the Egyptian army do nothing to get that cash?

That aid is in return for the peace treaty with Israel, which is why the US is in such a quandry. The US don't want to call the coup in Egypt a coup because they'd have to end the aid and they don't want to do that in case it risks the peace treaty with Isreal. All the Egyptian army has to do to keep getting that money is keep the peace with Isreal.

Originally Posted by Neverna

All the Egyptian army has to do to keep getting that money is keep the peace with Isreal.

Makes more sense to me to turn around to Israel and say, if you wanna keep the gravy train rolling make peace with the Palestinians. Screw Egypt.

Originally Posted by Neverna

Originally Posted by Primo

We already know that the yanks give the Egyptian army about 1.3 billion dollars every year.do you think this is free money? Do you really think that the Egyptian army do nothing to get that cash?

That aid is in return for the peace treaty with Israel, which is why the US is in such a quandry. The US don't want to call the coup in Egypt a coup because they'd have to end the aid and they don't want to do that in case it risks the peace treaty with Isreal. All the Egyptian army has to do to keep getting that money is keep the peace with Isreal.

Only partly,it also covers access to the Suez canal amongst other things. Lets just say that the Americans are well in with the Egyptian military and would prefer them in power than Morsi and the Muslim brotherhood for obvious reasons also relating to Israel.

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by Neverna

All the Egyptian army has to do to keep getting that money is keep the peace with Isreal.

Makes more sense to me to turn around to Israel and say, if you wanna keep the gravy train rolling make peace with the Palestinians. Screw Egypt.

That's a original idea but one that is never going to happen as America does not give a flying fuck about the Palestinians as can be seen by Kerry telling them they should grab what's on offer(basically take the crumbs that Israel gives them) and not complain that the Israelis are robbing their land and oppressing them on a daily basis.

Primo, what do you mean by it also covers access to the Suez canal? For who? The USA?

Originally Posted by Neverna

Primo, what do you mean by it also covers access to the Suez canal? For who? The USA?

Obviously....well that is the official American line..


Since the late 1970s, U.S. policymakers have justified the aid as a way to stabilize the region and promote its interests. Here’s CRS laying out the official line: “Interests include maintaining U.S. naval access to the Suez Canal, maintaining the 1979 Israel-Egypt peace treaty, and promoting democracy and economic growth within Egypt, the region’s largest Arab country.”

Originally Posted by Primo

Originally Posted by Koojo

Originally Posted by Rural Surin

What a bloody mess...
Harks of old Cold War proxy conflicts......as many types of sorted unrests that circles the globe.

So...things really haven't changed much, have they?

If the U.S. agencies were in any way involved I would be very surprised.
Why would they destabilize a friendly government without being sure who will fill the void.

Exactly how were the former Egyptian government friendly to the USA? I am sure American government agencies are all over this coup like a rash,as always.

It wasn't a 'coup'. If it were the black guy couldn't legally get involved. This is why he says it wasn't a coup. Are you calling him a liar?

Nervana 165, So in your opinion without the US "sweetener" Egypt's Military would tear up the peace treaty with Israel then, have you any proof of this or is it just your considered opinion ? and if that,s the case just what does the Military hope to gain ,as it would appear its quite enough on its plate already fighting to all intents and purposes a civil war with its own people .

Originally Posted by leemo

It wasn't a 'coup'.

Oh go boil your head, twat. You seem to think that I give an ass about Obama, I do not so take your stupid crap elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Primo

Originally Posted by Neverna

Primo, what do you mean by it also covers access to the Suez canal? For who? The USA?

Obviously....well that is the official American line..


Since the late 1970s, U.S. policymakers have justified the aid as a way to stabilize the region and promote its interests. Here’s CRS laying out the official line: “Interests include maintaining U.S. naval access to the Suez Canal, maintaining the 1979 Israel-Egypt peace treaty, and promoting democracy and economic growth within Egypt, the region’s largest Arab country.”

Promoting democracy? How much democracy has there been in Egypt since 1979?

Promoting economic growth? For the generals! As for access to the Suez canal, surely that's classed as an international waterway and therefore should not be closed to the US military but perhaps the US navy gets free acceess rather than paying a toll each time it goes through.

Thanks for the link. I'll read that later.

Originally Posted by Neverna

Originally Posted by Primo

Originally Posted by Neverna

Primo, what do you mean by it also covers access to the Suez canal? For who? The USA?

Obviously....well that is the official American line..


Since the late 1970s, U.S. policymakers have justified the aid as a way to stabilize the region and promote its interests. Here’s CRS laying out the official line: “Interests include maintaining U.S. naval access to the Suez Canal, maintaining the 1979 Israel-Egypt peace treaty, and promoting democracy and economic growth within Egypt, the region’s largest Arab country.”

Promoting democracy? How much democracy has there been in Egypt since 1979?

I did find that bit funny as well.