Thread: Islam Ctr Planned Next to Ground Zero

No discusson regarding the Victory Mega Mosque is complete w/out a graphic like thsi:

Another excellent piece by the Sultan, this time exposing the suicidal pro-Islam antics of the liberal media. Naturally we should assume this article to be from baseless to infammatory, since we are constantly admonished by Muslims sponsored by our own useful idiots, that the media is in fact Zionist controlled as is the entire US politic.


Monday, August 16, 2010 - Just the Facts, Imam

Just the facts, Imam. A Muslim terrorist attack damaged a building, allowing Muslims to pick it up for a fraction of the price, in order to build a mosque on the spot. Some people might say that sort of thing is tacky. A little like coming by to make an offer on the house, after your cousin murdered the entire family who lived there. Sure, you might claim that you're not responsible, but it just doesn't look good. Especially once you start palling around with your cousin, and suggesting that maybe he was just misunderstood. And maybe that family brought it on themselves.

But the media still insists that Islam had nothing to do with 9/11. Or if it had anything to do with 9/11, it was those "other Muslims", not these Muslims. The media isn't really good at explaining the difference between these Muslims and those Muslims. Often the media insists that those Muslims are actually these Muslims. Sometimes they claim that those Muslims are actually not Muslims at all, but people who are upset about foreclosures and work related stress.

When Malik Hasan opened fire at Fort Hood, the media...claimed he was suffering from some airborne form of PTSD that he picked up from the soldiers he was abusing - all evidence to the contrary. When the Times Square Bomber tried to kill a few thousand New Yorkers, the media claimed that he was upset because his house had been foreclosed on. Inconveniently enough, he turned out to be a Muslim terrorist, complete with his very own Al Queda martyrdom video.

But the media has never actually said those five little words. "Sorry America, we were wrong." Because the media is never wrong. Sometimes they're just technically incorrect. Sometimes the facts just don't agree with their reality. And the reality can get pretty hazy down on the other side of the Reality Based Community. Especially when there's enough drugs in the mix. And even when it's just the liberal Kool Aid talking.

So when it comes to Muslims, the media doesn't exactly have a great track record of telling apart "these Muslims" from "those Muslims". After 9/11 the media did multiple interviews with a kindly and friendly Imam, by the name of Anwar Al-Awlaki. Anwar explained to every media outlet that would listen that Islam is opposed to terrorism and anyone who thinks otherwise misunderstood one of those 12,000 "You Shall Smite the Infidel" verses in the Koran. After doing enough interviews on NPR and PBS (and convincing enough gullible listeners), Anwar Al-Awlaki is now hiding from US drones somewhere in Yemen, and has been linked to both the Fort Hood Massacre and the Times Square Bomber.

You might think that Anwar Al-Awlaki snapped after enough appearances on PBS and NPR, whose soft calming music and lobotomized hosts could turn anyone into a terrorist, but Al-Awlaki was actually advising the 9/11 hijackers, even before the attacks happened. So when Anwar Al-Awlaki was telling the press that Islam is opposed to terrorism, he was asking them to ignore everything the FBI and CounterJihadi sites had found. Which they happily did. We fall for it daily, hourly, incessantly, but refuse to learn.

(This is Taqiya (deceit/duplicity), sanctioned by the Koran to fool the infidel into believing Islam is a peaceful religion, when it is neither peaceful nor a religion but an evil and corrupt ideology. No ideology can compete with Islam on promotion, and for evangelical purposes Muslims are encouraged to lie because the other person and the community will benefit by a nonbeliever becoming a Muslim. Islam's holy texts guarantee that Muslims will be forgiven and rewarded by the grace of Allah for converting a nonbeliever, so they can tell the prospective convert anything he wishes to hear to bring him into Islam, because once they become a Muslim they are far better off than not being a Muslim.)

What that all adds up to is the media's proven ability to handicap who is or isn't a Muslim terrorist ... if the media tells you that someone isn't a Muslim terrorist, the Vegas odds are on the side of him being Osama bin Laden's right hand man. If the media tells you that an Imam is moderate, run to within 50 feet away to avoid the shrapnel.

The media's approach to Islamic terrorism is a lot like Pat Buchanan's approach to the Holocaust. They will concede that terrorism probably does exist, and it might involve Muslims, but it's not as bad as people make it out to be, there's a lot of context, and anyway look at the history of it...

Finally the media plays its trump card. Religious freedom. It's in the Constitution, Man! And who has never doubted the media's commitment to religious freedom, except when it comes to prayer in schools or in the military. Or their commitment to the Bill of Rights, which they would die for, except for the parts they don't like very much.

Certainly the media has a point, when it argues that it's wrong to claim that a house of worship shouldn't be built, because it's offensive. The media has never been known to do that. Except when they actually claim that houses of worship can be destroyed, because they're offensive.

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A mere 5 years ago, CNN justified the destruction of Jewish synagogues because they're offensive. It described the destruction of a House of Worship as "take away these structures", a lovely euphemism that Goebbels probably couldn't have improved on. A euphemism that suggests the synagogue was being taken somewhere for a walk. Or maybe to a better place. Instead of being crudely demolished, after it had been burned and ransacked by a Muslim mob.

But today CNN can't fathom ... that someone would find building a house of worship offensive, particularly when it's built next to a virtual cemetery of the victims of that particular brand of worship. Yet in 2005, CNN was willing to justify the actual destruction of a house of worship because it's "offensive". What a difference 5 years and a different religion makes.

But perhaps CNN could extend the same "sensitivity" they displayed for the mobs of Gaza, to their fellow Americans, who might conceivably view a mosque near Ground Zero as "a symbol of occupation". One that would have to be taken away very sensitively. Perhaps all the way back to Mecca. Sensitively, of course.

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But I direct your attention to more than just the purple prose. When Ken and Laurie and CNN and Reuters and the Telegraph don't like synagogues, then they're "hulking", destroying them becomes a matter of "sensitively" "taking them down" and the synagogues have it coming, because those damn Jews "chose to leave them standing."

It's clear that the media has no problem understanding resentment toward a "House of Worship". As long as it's Muslim resentment toward a non-Muslim house of worship.

The same blatant dishonesty and historical revisionism that was on display when Muslims destroyed 26 Jewish synagogues in Gaza, was also on display when Muslims destroyed 150 churches in Kosovo. Or the 170 Hindu temples destroyed in Kashmir in the last 20 years.

If a Koran falls into a toilet somewhere, it will be on the front page of the New York Times. If a 100 churches or synagogues burn, look for it somewhere on page A18, under the Grey Goose ad and just above a story about nesting pelicans in Bangalore. Three paragraphs. No photo.

Today the same people who whitewashed, excused and even celebrated the Muslim desecration and destruction of synagogues, churches and temples are absolutely shocked that anyone would object to building a mosque near Ground Zero. What kind of people would dare object to a house of worship. I mean besides Muslims anyway. It's Un-American. And you know what is American? Putting up a massive building dedicated to an ideology of murder, where the ashes of its victims drifted on the cold September wind.

That my friends is American. Not the "American" of George Washington or Theodore Roosevelt or the firefighters and police officers who somehow made it up a hundred stories to rescue people they had never met. No, it's the "American" of Benedict Arnold, Norman Cousins and the ACLU board of directors. And of course that great All-Time Champion of Americanism, Barack Hussein Obama. Barry, who thinks the Muslim call to prayer is the prettiest sound on earth. And the Constitution is a dim buzz in his ear.

Just the Facts, Imam. Here 3,000 Americans were murdered. For working in offices or visiting them. For being members of the NYPD or the PAPD or the FDNY. For putting on a uniform or a suit. For living their lives. And then the walls and floors and furniture around them burned. The papers in their hands burned. Their bodies burned. The ashes drifted down narrow streets. Streets where George Washington and his men once passed to visit Fraunces Tavern and toward Broadway where the Iranian hostages rode back in a ticker tape parade on their return.

Now the money that nourished their killers, will help erect a mosque. A temple of death by the ashes of the dead. And the media is outraged that we won't allow it. That we won't stand for it. The same media that stood and grinned while Muslims burned synagogues, churches and temples. That tells us that the Muslim terrorists who try to kill us are not really Muslims. Just going through a midlife crisis, picked up some PTSD from some bad coffee or was just having a bad day. Because we are not equal. On their farm, some animals are more equal than others. Some have the right to kill, others only have the right to be killed. Some have the right to build houses of worship, others have the right to build and to burn what others labor to build. Some have the right to be offensive, others only the right to be silent.

The dead of 9/11 are silent now. Or rather they have been silenced. As countless millions have before them were silenced. With flame and sword. In mass graves and at spearpoint. Tortured and mutilated. Torn apart with bombs. The dead cannot speak out against their murderers, but we can. The dead cannot protest, but we can. It is our duty to stand up and speak out. This is our place. Our land and our city. These are the streets where they tried to kill us. These are the streets where they will try again. To speak out is to defy those who would kill us and claim our cities as their own. Who would build monuments to their own victory over the ashes of our dead.

First they bomb. Now they occupy. We have lived through the bombing. And now we rise to defy the occupation.

Sultan Knish a blog by Daniel Greenfield


Fine piece by the Sultan, and as ever I recommend those still able to think and see for themselves, to check in daily.

I can't see the GZM actually being built and brought into operation. The reason I can't see it, is because despite the bold duplicity of the US administration and its rabid media buddies, which is baffling the American people, I still somehow trust that America will wake up before, rather than after it is too late. There is only one alternative, and that is terrible.

Churches and other houses of worship are routinely destroyed or turned into trophies of Islamic supremacy through the Muslim world, where infidels are permitted to live only as long as they willingly submit to public degradation, and allow themselves to be humiliated and made to feel inferior.

There is something very wrong with civilised principles that force us to place our own values and beliefs a distant second to those that only fools and politicians cannot see is founded on savagery, death, hatred, murder and destruction.

Originally Posted by keda

There is something very wrong with civilised principles that force us to place our own values and beliefs a distant second to those that only fools and politicians cannot see is founded on savagery, death, hatred, murder and destruction.

I think you have it backwards, Keda. That kind of rhetorical over reach makes every reasonable point you make Re; Islam--and you make a few--somewhat suspicious. You turn molehills into mountains, like the demise of Western Civilization in a hundred years, but what's the game plan...building Mosques by moderate Muslims in New York City.

If it does get built you can be sure the ones behind the attacks on the WTC will come there to pray and thank allah for their victory.

^ And the local residents will come there to work out at a reasonably priced gym, eat a cheap kebab or whatever, shoot some hoops. Ain't much cheap in lower Manhattan, and contrary to a previous posters statement there are a lot of residents- Battery City for a start. Of course in the process they will be turned into rabid Islamoterrorists who will promptly blow up the Empire State building and Statue of Liberty, and turn the USA into a sharia nation overnight.

Originally Posted by sabang

^ And the local residents will come there to work out at a reasonably priced gym, eat a cheap kebab or whatever, shoot some hoops. Ain't much cheap in lower Manhattan, and contrary to a previous posters statement there are a lot of residents- Battery City for a start. Of course in the process they will be turned into rabid Islamoterrorists who will promptly blow up the Empire State building and Statue of Liberty, and turn the USA into a sharia nation overnight.

I expect the place will be largely boycotted by non Muslims.

Originally Posted by MrG

Originally Posted by keda

There is something very wrong with civilised principles that force us to place our own values and beliefs a distant second to those that only fools and politicians cannot see is founded on savagery, death, hatred, murder and destruction.

I think you have it backwards, Keda. That kind of rhetorical over reach makes every reasonable point you make Re; Islam--and you make a few--somewhat suspicious. You turn molehills into mountains, like the demise of Western Civilization in a hundred years, but what's the game plan...building Mosques by moderate Muslims in New York City.

Not the demise at all. You have read what you wanted to read. I did not say or imply that.

European nations will almost certainly succumb to the cancer of Islam well before that 100-year outpost. Those that do not succumb will be negatively impacted, and Western civilisation will suffer considerably as that happens, but it will not simply lie down and die.

Never mind 911, which cost a few buildings, a few thousand lives, and a few billion dollars; civilisation has suffered far worse and we can get over that. More important is that it invaded the American psyche, bringing home to the people and to the civilised world the reality of just how vulnerable it is to an ideology that plays by no rules other than its own.

Unfortunately, there are still those that cannot or for idealistic reasons refuse to connect the dots, with Islam as the common denominator through some 16,000 deadly terrorist attacks in the 9 years since 911. Apologists tend to manipulate the numbers to promote this as a "small minority" of Muslims that misunderstand the peaceloving message of Islam, and carefully forget to apply the same equation to infidel terror attacks in the name of their god. It doesn't take too much brain power to see through this sham.

The goal of Islam is to take over the world, and impose its seventh century values on all other cultures. We are told this day in and day out by the lowest of the low terrorist, and the highest authorities in Islam, yet we refuse to believe their sincerity. Why? Because the implications are so frightening, so far beyond our ability to comprehend, that we invoke the primal instinct to ignore it.

And as the evidence increases, daily, hourly, incessantly, we refuse to acknowledge that anything is amiss. In this respect, we probably deserve the consequences.

Speaking for myself, rather than suffer the indignity of a slow and painful death for Western civilisation by Muslim immigration and outbreeding, with its repugnant political goal of domination through violence and nonviolence, I would favour Muslims succeeding in whatever it takes to bring about the demise of Islam. Yes you read that right, hopefully, this time.

Unfortunately, the downside of this benefit to civilisation and progress, is that it would probably take some catalyst not far short of biblical proportions, to awaken the West from its big snooze for long enough to shred the pc charter, set aside democratic niceties, and utterly and finally rid the world of this repulsive totalitarian ideology and those that subscribe to it.

That's my take, based on the philosophy that one should be wary of the fury of a patient man.

Then there would be no more Crusades, which sadly stopped short of deleting the scourge of Humanity from the face of the earth, and no more sucking up to savages that use the oil under their land that we found and developed for them, to enslave us.

Originally Posted by sccrhound

Ok you do know that there is almost no housing in that area. It is all businesses and offices and that most places are closed on the weekends. People would have to make a specific trip to get there.

Islam builds mosques not just as congregation centers or to pray at, but also as symbols of triumph and trophies of their presence.

Look around and you will find mosques in areas where there are very few Muslims, and also seemingly extravagantly large and ornate mosques in areas with incredibly tiny Muslim populations. No matter, these are the barracks of Islam, standing proud to attract both Muslims and the infidel with their majesty.

A comparison to the principles of dhimmitude may be made here. For example, as the Muslim theologian, Al-Maghili, explains:

On the day of payment (of the jizya) they (the dhimmi) shall be assembled in a public place like the suq (market). They should be standing there waiting in the lowest and dirtiest place. The acting officials representing the Law shall be placed above them and shall adopt a threatening attitude so that it seems to them, as well as to others, that our object is to degrade them by pretending to take their possessions. They will realize that we are doing them a favour in accepting from them the jizya and letting them go free. (Al-Maghili, quoted in Bat Ye'or, The Decline of Eastern Christianity under Islam, 361.)

This is no arbitrary plot; it has been cleverly designed.

Imagine what goes through the minds of uneducated Muslims witnessing this common spectacle of humiliating the dhimmi. One for sure is that they will be grateful for their insignificant role in the big picture, and the other is that however onerous their life they will not envy the lot of the dhimmi.

And this:

The dhimmi is also subject to other restrictions and obligations, and these are intended not just to intimidate and subjugate them but also to strengthen Islam.
...just as the dhimmis are prohibited from building churches, other things also are prohibited to them. They must not assist an unbeliever against a Muslim...raise the cross in an Islamic assemblage...display banners on their own holidays; bear arms...or keep them in their homes. Should they do anything of the sort, they must be punished, and the arms seized. …The Companions (of the Prophet) agreed upon these points in order to demonstrate the abasement of the infidel and to protect the weak believer's faith. For if he sees them humbled, he will not be inclined toward their belief, which is not true if he sees them in power, pride, or luxury garb, as all this urges him to esteem them and incline toward them, in view of his own distress and poverty. Yet esteem for the unbeliever is unbelief. (Damanhuri, quoted in Bat Ye'or, The Decline of Eastern Christianity under Islam, 382.) Damanhuri headed Al-Azhar University in Cairo, which for centuries has been the most prestigious learning centre in the Muslim world.

The message in bold is conditioning and reinforcement through a natural part of human nature.

Likewise, the size and splendour of a mosque in an area with few Muslims is no accident. It is intended and will in time attract more Muslims, and also the infidel that becomes more receptive to Islam.

I think the figure '61 percent to 26 percent' also applies to the people in the middle east who want the Americans to leave right now. it might even be higher than that yet the yanks still stay and lots of collateral damage goes on. Lots of boys and girls see their relatives die as collateral damage. I wonder if they will forget that or one day do the right thing and take revenge against those who killed their relatives? Those who are driven by hate must live in a world of hate. It's a never ending story encouraged on and on.

^ How many civilians are killed everyday by the Taleban and AQ groups? Many US/NATO forces die because ROE bans them from targetting civilians or any place there might be a civilian. Fanatics target the civilians, along with the Western forces.

Despite the brouhaha over this bldg, the developers say FO, we're building it.

New York Gov. David Paterson has renewed efforts to broker a deal over a proposed Islamic cultural center that would include a mosque near Manhattan's Ground Zero, but a key voice in the discussion denied to Fox News any plans to relocate.

FOXNews.com - N.Y. Governor to Meet With Ground Zero Mosque Developers, but No Plans to Relocate

"Hallowed Ground" | History Eraser Button


The neighborhood is high density.
No reason to ban any use on private land, just hate -mongering.

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"Hallowed Ground" | History Eraser Button

I wrote about my support for a group of Muslim New Yorkers—whom I consider my neighbors—and their right to put a religious building on a piece of private property in Lower Manhattan. Since then, the debate over the Park51 community center, inaccurately nicknamed the “Ground Zero Mosque,” has jumped from talk radio to mainstream conversation, and turned nasty in the process. Sarah Palin wrote that, “it would be an intolerable and tragic mistake to allow such a project sponsored by such an individual to go forward on such hallowed ground.”
Look at the photos. This neighborhood is not hallowed. The people who live and work here are not obsessed with 9/11. The blocks around Ground Zero are like every other hard-working neighborhood in New York, where Muslims are just another thread of the city fabric.

At this point the only argument against this project is fear, specifically fear of Muslims, and that’s a bigoted, cowardly and completely indefensible position.


“Hallowed Ground”

A few photos of stuff the same distance from the World Trade Center as the “Ground Zero Mosque”:

I'm not against the US helping people in Afghanistan. I wish it hadn't gone at it with the rightwing arrogance that it did when this all started. GWB and the Republicans inflamed everything from the start. The US has right to hunt down OBL and his dirtybag cohorts. I don't mind the idea of getting rid of the Taleban either. I just hate the hypocrisy that has been there from the beginning. Saudi Arabia was let go by the Republican government and has always been given a pass by them and others in the US. Most of the countries in the middle east are worthless when it comes to rights and freedom.

As for people getting revenge it seems that we are killing some of the bad guys but overall more civilians are dying from this than enemy. Were more civilians killed than German soldiers during WW2 when the Allies tried to take Europe back? Maybe this is just the way war always is. If the Taleban really wanted to kill off all the people there they could everyday. They don't. They aren't all bloodthirsty. Some of them are certainly sick nutters but many are just people who probably want to see the foreigners leave. Just look how Americans are reacting to foreigners peacefully being in their country looking for work.

Originally Posted by PaulBunyon

As for people getting revenge it seems that we are killing some of the bad guys but overall more civilians are dying from this than enemy.

Got any proof of that? See Larv's info above: the Taleban kill more civilians.

Originally Posted by PaulBunyon

Just look how Americans are reacting to foreigners peacefully being in their country looking for work.

What? Demanding their rights as Americans? Americans being told to shut up because they are white? Are these immigrants all legal? No. But they take advantage of all the "free" services. And even if legal, they start demanding rights and changes, and charge the country with racism or bigotry if they don't get it. What, school breaks for their holidays, no Christmas scenes on public property, waving of their native flags, burning of the US flag, employment quotas for extra minority workers, and on and on. Yep, they take advantage of the country's blessings alright. Now, normally complacent, honest Americans are taking a stand and demanding their country back, while their loathsome libbie leaders back anyone but their own countrymen. Sick.

Here is some information about Imam Rauf-

Feisal Abdul Rauf of the Cordoba Initiative is one of America’s leading thinkers of Sufism, the mystical form of Islam, which in terms of goals and outlook couldn’t be farther from the violent Wahhabism of the jihadists. His videos and sermons preach love, the remembrance of God (or “zikr”) and reconciliation. His slightly New Agey rhetoric makes him sound, for better or worse, like a Muslim Deepak Chopra. But in the eyes of Osama bin Laden and the Taliban, he is an infidel-loving, grave-worshiping apostate; they no doubt regard him as a legitimate target for assassination.

For such moderate, pluralistic Sufi imams are the front line against the most violent forms of Islam. In the most radical parts of the Muslim world, Sufi leaders risk their lives for their tolerant beliefs, every bit as bravely as American troops on the ground in Baghdad and Kabul do. Sufism is the most pluralistic incarnation of Islam — accessible to the learned and the ignorant, the faithful and nonbelievers — and is thus a uniquely valuable bridge between East and West.


Yet many of our leaders have a tendency to see the Islamic world as a single, terrifying monolith

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/17/op...me&ref=general

He seems a very good sort. If anything, the US should be subsidising him- in fact it is sending him on an O/S trip at state Dept expense..

^ Ya, guess that's why he likes Hamas and demands a one-way bridge building in relations.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Now, normally complacent, honest Americans are taking a stand and demanding their country back, while their loathsome libbie leaders back anyone but their own countrymen. Sick.

You're starting to get the idea of how Iraqis feel.

^That was my point. The Americans although they may have good intentions are the foreigners. The locals of Afghanistan and Iraq don't want them taking over their country. Although they shouldn't get most of the blame, they probably will since they are foreigners and different religiously, culturally, and physically. Even here in Thailand, caucasians are seen as threatening at times. Just the other day a Thai said to me that the free trade agreements between most Asian countries and the west (not including developed countries like Japan) are unfair and that Asia should unite against the west. Like it or not America is not going to be seen as a liberator to much extent in the middle east. Even in South Korea and Japan a lot of people still want the Americans out. Eliminate certain leaders and get out is the best way to deal with threats not invading entire countries. That's about making money off the government and military industrial complex.

Olbermann's comments on freedom and the mosque.

Yep, Howard Dean has come out against, albeit politely, and the GM of Al-Arabiya TV has failed as a good Muslim by publicly stating the GZM should not be built at that site. And it’s just warming up.

It looks like Bozo fired a torpedo that has holed him below the waterline.

Meanwhile, back at the asylum, Blomberg deems any call for investigation of the $100m GZM funding..."un-American," while Pelosi considers it more appropriate to investigate not the mosque funding but the funding of the groups that are protesting against it. And many free, fully grown adults cheer!

Contrary to his (and TD’s very own honest, balanced mods) claims of moderation, which the rabid left are eager as ever to bolster, Imam Rauf openly advocates Sharia, refuses to denounce Hamas, has lied about his commitment to religious discourse, blamed the US as a major contributing factor to 911 and goes further by saying bin Laden was born in the USA, lied that the GZ construction will not contain a mosque and also that it is not getting foreign funding. Rauf is allied to PGPO that helped fund the Jihad flotilla, whose chairman is the former unabashed Prime Minister of Malaysia. While his public face in the West through interviews and speeches is one of peace, tolerance and bridge building, which should make him an apostate, it is instructive that Islamic nations recognise that he is simply following the Koranic doctrine of Taqiya (deceit), which is why when he travels to Arab countries he does so as a friend and does not need any security around him to protect his miserable life.

The sister of a pilot on one of the planes hijacked on 911 got it right when she said, "We have two Imam Raufs." One is the anti-Israel, anti-democratic imam, and the other is the smiling, soft spoken moderate Muslim who asks ‘why can't we all get along?’ It is this one that the desperate West pounces on for consolation in the form of ‘moderate’ Muslim leaders, and readily labels anyone as ‘moderate’ if they are not actively and vocally militant, even if they are, as long as it is not widely reported.

As a 'moderate' Muslim truly wishing to demonstrate to the infidel world that Islam is decent and civilised, Rauf should begin by recommending that the $100m earmarked for GZM be sent immediately to help fellow Muslims struck by the Paki floods.


Deny away, but the GZM will not be built at Park. It won't happen, resistance is growing. Unfortunately, in true Islamic fashion, as they back down they will squeeze a catalogue of concessions and understandings out of the establishment, and promote as evidence for politic and propaganda by crowing about Islamic fairness and tolerance. And the hate-filled weak with easily seduced personalities, will believe.


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Nancy Pelosi, house speaker, wants investigation into Ground Zero mosque opposition funding
Muslim Imam leading push to build a mosque near Ground Zero wavers on questions about Hamas as a terror group - NYPOST.com
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Proposed mosque at Ground Zero to be funded partly with foreign money according to Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf - NYPOST.com

My Boston contact advises me today that there are about 10 mosques already in the same area as the 9/11 tragedy and that the whole thing is a vastly over done political beat up to boost the mid year elections?
He does however share my concern for the surreptitious spread of Islam in the states and tells me America does not get as much information about Islamic movements as Australia and Europe ?

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Blah,... Blah,...Are these immigrants all legal? No. But they take advantage of all the "free" services. And even if legal, they start demanding rights and changes, and charge the country with racism or bigotry if they don't get it.

Er, what " free services" would that be? Like the outstanding health care, rated 22nd in the developed world ?!


And isn't demanding change one's civic duty?

Now, normally complacent, honest Americans are taking a stand and demanding their country back, while their loathsome libbie leaders back anyone but their own countrymen. Sick.

Sorry I was never complacent. In fact I'm one of those 'loathsome libbies", ( you just are incapable of not labeling people, aren't you? )
... whom stood up starting on Dec 12 2000 when the Presidency was handed off to a Manchurian Candidate.

Americans and that goes for anyone standing on US soil, deserve protection of the Bill of Rights one of which is freedom of ( and from? ) religion.