Thread: Islam Ctr Planned Next to Ground Zero

Originally Posted by mr Fred

I live just down the road from a Catholic church in Jakarta.

You should go to mass a few times. For comparison like.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Picks, your continued fight against whatever I post is hilarious. Now you're quoting the US Constitution about religion? You miss the whole point about Islam. It's not only religion, it's total subjugation of the people via sharia law, control of politics, justice, culture, education and the rules against it for women, and the oppression of women, for starters. WAKE UP.

You brought up the Constitution to support your argument, so I quoted it to point out the fact that it doesn't support your argument. As has been pointed out already, only a very small minority of Muslim countries have sharia law, and the one that enforces it the most is an ally of your beloved USA. What are you doing about that??
Also, has your beloved USA ever had a female president?? The worlds most populated Muslim nation has.

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^ True about religion in the Constitution. However, as I indicated, IMO, islam is more than a religion and many of its imams and ayatollehs are bent on merging mosque and state.

True, the US has not had a female prez YET. Getting closer to the day (what a pity obama stole the nomination from Hillary), but hey, they got a black prez. Has Indonesia ever had a white prez? OK, how about a Balinese or a Papuan?

Unfortunately, neither gender nor race appears to matter in terms of corruption and/or incompetence in office.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

True about religion in the Constitution. However, as I indicated, IMO, islam is more than a religion and many of its imams and ayatollehs are bent on merging mosque and state.

So, what are you saying? That the Constitution should be changed to suit your Islamaphobic ideals? That would be a bit hypocritical considering you have said that the Constitution should come first.

^ Not at all. Islamic rulers in the UK already gained judicial will with sharia law in 2008. Just wait til the neighbourhoods vote them into Parliament. Better to nip it in the bud.

ISLAMIC law has been officially adopted in Britain, with sharia courts given powers to rule on Muslim civil cases. The government has quietly sanctioned the powers for sharia judges to rule on cases ranging from divorce and financial disputes to those involving domestic violence.
Rulings issued by a network of five sharia courts are enforceable with the full power of the judicial system, through the county courts or High Court.

Revealed: UK’s first official sharia courts -Times Online

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

^ Not at all. Islamic rulers in the UK already gained judicial will with sharia law in 2008. Just wait til the neighbourhoods vote them into Parliament. Better to nip it in the bud.

ISLAMIC law has been officially adopted in Britain, with sharia courts given powers to rule on Muslim civil cases. The government has quietly sanctioned the powers for sharia judges to rule on cases ranging from divorce and financial disputes to those involving domestic violence.
Rulings issued by a network of five sharia courts are enforceable with the full power of the judicial system, through the county courts or High Court.

Revealed: UK’s first official sharia courts -Times Online

"Under the act, the sharia courts are classified as arbitration tribunals. The rulings of arbitration tribunals are binding in law, provided that both parties in the dispute agree to give it the power to rule on their case.
Siddiqi said: “We realised that under the Arbitration Act we can make rulings which can be enforced by county and high courts. The act allows disputes to be resolved using alternatives like tribunals. This method is called alternative dispute resolution, which for Muslims is what the sharia courts are.”
The disclosure that Muslim courts have legal powers in Britain comes seven months after Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury, was pilloried for suggesting that the establishment of sharia in the future “seems unavoidable” in Britain.
In July, the head of the judiciary, the lord chief justice, Lord Phillips, further stoked controversy when he said that sharia could be used to settle marital and financial disputes.
In fact, Muslim tribunal courts started passing sharia judgments in August 2007. They have dealt with more than 100 cases that range from Muslim divorce and inheritance to nuisance neighbours.
It has also emerged that tribunal courts have settled six cases of domestic violence between married couples, working in tandem with the police investigations.
Siddiqi said he expected the courts to handle a greater number of “smaller” criminal cases in coming years as more Muslim clients approach them. “All we are doing is regulating community affairs in these cases,” said Siddiqi, chairman of the governing council of the tribunal.
Jewish Beth Din courts operate under the same provision in the Arbitration Act and resolve civil cases, ranging from divorce to business disputes. They have existed in Britain for more than 100 years, and previously operated under a precursor to the act."

They're only following the lead of their Jewish friends who've been doing the same thing for 100 years.

^ Does Jewish law demand that hands, noses and ears be chopped off? Or say that women are no more than chattel?

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

^ Does Jewish law demand that hands, noses and ears be chopped off? Or say that women are no more than chattel?

Can you please provide any link that shows these UK courts have those powers?
After all a statement like that requires proof.

Originally Posted by mr Fred

but many other Muslim majority countries have churches.

Many have been burned down too by the Muslim 'neighbors' in countries such as Pakistan, Egypt and Nigeria. Muslims just cannot help hating the infidel.

Originally Posted by crazy dog

Originally Posted by mr Fred

but many other Muslim majority countries have churches.

Many have been burned down too by the Muslim 'neighbors' in countries such as Pakistan, Egypt and Nigeria. Muslims just cannot help hating the infidel.

SOME Muslims just cannot help hating the infidel.
SOME Christians hate Muslims.
SOME extremist atheists hate all religions (Start with that dickhead Dawkins)

I'm a Muslim and I don't give a flying fuck what you are as long as you leave me and my family in peace.

Originally Posted by mr Fred

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

^ Does Jewish law demand that hands, noses and ears be chopped off? Or say that women are no more than chattel?

Can you please provide any link that shows these UK courts have those powers?
After all a statement like that requires proof.

Not yet. Give me one year, please.

Originally Posted by mr Fred

I'm a Muslim and I don't give a flying fuck what you are as long as you leave me and my family in peace.

I have a feeling you won't have that apathetic option for long.

Originally Posted by mr Fred

SOME Muslims just cannot help hating the infidel.
SOME Christians hate Muslims.
SOME extremist atheists hate all religions (Start with that dickhead Dawkins)

I'm a Muslim and I don't give a flying fuck what you are as long as you leave me and my family in peace.

When was the last time Christians or Atheists, (not the us army) burned down mosques that was not in retaliation to Church burnings, flew planes into buildings killing thousands, blew themselves up in suicide attacks, beheaded innocent Buddhist monks and Schoolgirls, blew up trains and underground trains killing innocent civilians etc etc? Islam is fundamentally evil, just as communism and fascism were. The fact that not all of it's misguided followers are totally corrupted by it does not make it any less so. How can any thinking person follow a monster like Mohammad?

Well you can get all teary eyed about these atrocities there cdog, but on the other hand if you view it as a low grade war (as some Islamists and Xtians do) then they are reacting with asymmetric warfare methods against our vastly superior war machines and armies.

Bali/ Madrid/ London were in direct retaliation for the invasion of Iraq. 911, well those AQ loon's justification for that was the US militaries occupation of the Saudi 'Holy Land'. Not trying to justify it, just see it thru' there side of things- which as any good military strategist will tell you is the quickest way to arrive at a means of defeating, disarming, or containing them.

Lets put it this way- it's not like we can say, "come out on the Battlefield and fight fair, you cowards". AK47's & RPG's don't exactly cut it against Abrams tanks and smart bombs.

Some people claim that Muslims have not attacked western any countries, as you point out they have, if only in cowardly ways by mainly slaughtering civilians, very Islamic.

Originally Posted by crazy dog

Some people claim that Muslims have not attacked western any countries, as you point out they have, if only in cowardly ways by mainly slaughtering civilians, very Islamic.

Not like our brave boys and girls guiding death drones over Pakistan from their computer terminals in the States, or the heros at 20,000 FT dropping bombs on cities.

Ooops, was your baby collaterol damage.
We are so sorry.

Sincerly.

Originally Posted by sabang

Bali/ Madrid/ London were in direct retaliation for the invasion of Iraq.

Got proof for that? No...

Originally Posted by MrG

Originally Posted by crazy dog

Some people claim that Muslims have not attacked western any countries, as you point out they have, if only in cowardly ways by mainly slaughtering civilians, very Islamic.

Not like our brave boys and girls guiding death drones over Pakistan from their computer terminals in the States, or the heros at 20,000 FT dropping bombs on cities.

Ooops, was your baby collaterol damage.
We are so sorry.

Sincerly.

Were they targeting that baby? Do they harm civilians on purpose? Do they pack a civilian full of explosives so she can blow up other civilians in a marketplace? Do they drag off a woman accused of adultery to have her stoned? Hack off a woman's nose and ears for running away from her in-laws?

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

got proof for that? No...

Only their word for it Jettie.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Were they targeting that baby? Do they harm civilians on purpose?

Military decison makers may know civilians are or likely are in the target zone and calculate it into a decision to take out the target or not. Sometimes they do. I've seen them admit it on film. We also seed the ground with land mines that target civilians as well as combatants. We blew up a city called Hiroshima that had absolutely no military value--an act of terror that was, in that case, aimed at Russia. So yes, I'd say "they" do kill babies and civilians.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Do they pack a civilian full of explosives so she can blow up other civilians in a marketplace?

Pretty brutal in its down home kind of way. I guess you fight with what you have,
even if it's not as clean as a bomb from 20,000 Ft.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Do they drag off a woman accused of adultery to have her stoned? Hack off a woman's nose and ears for running away from her in-laws?

No, not as a norm, anyway. Very ugly custom. Fucking brutes.

Originally Posted by mr Fred

Originally Posted by crazy dog

Originally Posted by mr Fred

but many other Muslim majority countries have churches.

Many have been burned down too by the Muslim 'neighbors' in countries such as Pakistan, Egypt and Nigeria. Muslims just cannot help hating the infidel.

SOME Muslims just cannot help hating the infidel.
SOME Christians hate Muslims.
SOME extremist atheists hate all religions (Start with that dickhead Dawkins)

I'm a Muslim and I don't give a flying fuck what you are as long as you leave me and my family in peace.

Well said Fred ,can you promise your religion will do the same for me and mine?
Just so we are quite clear : I don't support any religious group and I hate Muslims!

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

got proof for that? No...

Only their word for it Jettie.

Those people are dead. You gonna do a seance?

Originally Posted by MrG

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Were they targeting that baby? Do they harm civilians on purpose?

Military decison makers may know civilians are or likely are in the target zone and calculate it into a decision to take out the target or not.

Are you kidding me? The rules of war have changed. Many US/NATO soldiers are killed because their backup units cannot engage to help them: "there MAY be civilians" in the area that is attacking them. *sob* Ya, let the whiteys die. Meanwhile, the kids, women and old geezers supporting the enemy are noted as "civilians".

Originally Posted by Thaiguy

Originally Posted by mr Fred

I'm a Muslim and I don't give a flying fuck what you are as long as you leave me and my family in peace.

Well said Fred ,can you promise your religion will do the same for me and mine?
Just so we are quite clear : I don't support any religious group and I hate Muslims!

The vast majority in Islam will be quite happy to leave everyone alone as long as you return the favour.
Of course some will feel they have the right to attack US and other western interests as long as those countries continue to interfere in Muslim countries.
I agree that attacking invading forces is acceptable and, much as I regret the loss of western troops, that's battle for you. I don't agree with attacking civilians.
That makes Israel, the suicide bombers and many in the western forces wrong in my eyes.

You have to remember this latest lot all kicked off because of US support and arming of Israel. That includes giving nuclear weapons to Israel or at least assisting them to get the bomb. Now the US gets all upperty about other countries passing on nuclear technology but did exactly that with Israel.

^ Huh? It's muslims immigrating (legally or not) to Western countries and making problems. Israel is our problem? Don't Israelis have rights and the right to land where they are? You don't like that, talk to England and the UN.
Muslims happy to be left alone? For centuries, mozzies have demanded that bizmen submit to their faith if they wanted to trade.
If this mosque is approved, it will be destroyed. And rightly so.
Multi-cultural and all religions. Fine. Not a religion that's wants to slap its laws and demands on another country.