Ukraine war mega thread

[Buckaroo Banzai]

Reputedly? Really?

If all that you can find wrong with the reply is my spelling , I t makes my point.

BTW the video is not neutral

it's great that you have an opinion, the problem with opinions is, that like that proverbial bodily orifice , we all have one.

nor is it a debating device

If you say so. Please refer to answer #2

If you lack the wherewithal to construct and deliver an effective argument

Why confuse an issue with facts when personal opinion is sooo much easier and requires no research.

[Switch]

If all that you can find wrong with the reply is my spelling , I t makes my point.


it's great that you have an opinion, the problem with opinions is, that like that proverbial bodily orifice , we all have one.


If you say so. Please refer to answer #2


Why confuse an issue with facts when personal opinion is sooo much easier and requires no research.

You seem to lack the skills of critical thinking and it shows in your acceptance of the dogma you post.
Please try to be a little more selective with your links. Propaganda from both sides can be dissected and repudiated if you try harder.

[sabang]

I'm monitoring both sides war porn & general ra-ra stuff on Quora. I'll throw the odd one in here.

[Buckaroo Banzai]

Please try to be a little more selective with your links. Propaganda from both sides can be dissected and repudiated if you try harder.

Thank you for that advice.
I will try and select links more reputable , such as the ones you posted refuting the points made by the irreputable link I provided , Your dissection of that video was to notch.

[Switch]

^Major Chinese companies are rightly cautious about seeking advantage over this debacle. Are the SMEs products likely to fare any better?
Chinese exports lack the quality and cachet of western products. Chinese SMEs rely on even shoddier products, so I don’t think they will have the desired impact for either side.

[sabang]

It's gonna be smaller, private companies at first. But there are plenty of them- the Chinese are an enterprising bunch! The Jews of Asia.

[Backspin]

Thank you for that advice.
I will try and select links more reputable , such as the ones you posted refuting the points made by the irreputable link I provided , Your dissection of that video was to notch.

That's his reaction to any links on any subject.

[Troy]

You seem to lack the skills of critical thinking and it shows in your acceptance of the dogma you post.
Please try to be a little more selective with your links. Propaganda from both sides can be dissected and repudiated if you try harder.

I thought the video was quite interesting and covered many of the reasons for the war as well as the options from limited to full invasion. It was an opinion piece and well presented so I can understand why bb chose it.
I'm not sure if those critical of its contents bothered to watch the full video or just stopped after the first 5 minutes or so. However, like bb, I think there are plenty of points worthy of discussion.

My personal opinion is that Putin took a gamble based on several factors that he got very wrong. He will end up settling for the eastern region and the resupply of water to Crimea. That along with a neutral Ukraine, able to join the EU may be enough to end the war.

[qwerty]

^ I agree, Putin wanted to take Kyiv in a blitzkrieg, but since that does not seem to be happening, he is just trying to take as much land as possible so that he will have a stronger negotiating position. I predict that he will begin serious talks after taking Mariupol and at least one more major city - preferably Odessa but more likely Kharkiv.

[NamPikToot]

It was an opinion piece and well presented so I can understand why bb chose it.

Agreed, BB seems to have a set of groupies who've decided he's a Putin apologist and now they've lumped him in with OhOh, Sab and SoCal and that is the end of it for them. Typical TD really.

[sabang]

They be the Boneheads.

[Switch]

I thought the video was quite interesting and covered many of the reasons for the war as well as the options from limited to full invasion. It was an opinion piece and well presented so I can understand why bb chose it.
I'm not sure if those critical of its contents bothered to watch the full video or just stopped after the first 5 minutes or so. However, like bb, I think there are plenty of points worthy of discussion.

My personal opinion is that Putin took a gamble based on several factors that he got very wrong. He will end up settling for the eastern region and the resupply of water to Crimea. That along with a neutral Ukraine, able to join the EU may be enough to end the war.

Opinion pieces now replace factual accuracy?

There maybe some truth buried in your opinion of the outcome. It’s very easy to misread Putin’s intent when he hides behind contradictory propaganda. You could be right, but I think it’s too early to tell.

[Switch]

Agreed, BB seems to have a set of groupies who've decided he's a Putin apologist and now they've lumped him in with OhOh, Sab and SoCal and that is the end of it for them. Typical TD really.

That horse really is far too tall for you.��

[NamPikToot]

That horse really is far too tall for you.��

I had to get on it to speak to you whilst you were pontificating you muppet.

[Troy]

Opinion pieces now replace factual accuracy?

There maybe some truth buried in your opinion of the outcome. It’s very easy to misread Putin’s intent when he hides behind contradictory propaganda. You could be right, but I think it’s too early to tell.

Perhaps you would like to explain the factual inaccuracies presented in the video rather than give such a vague appraisal.

[panama hat]

It was a provocation , but they are not strategically and economically as important to Russia

Have you had a look at a map recently?

[Buckaroo Banzai]

You seem to lack the skills of critical thinking and it shows in your acceptance of the dogma you post.
Please try to be a little more selective with your links. Propaganda from both sides can be dissected and repudiated if you try harder.

yet you fail to mention how the video analysis is propaganda and what parts are false.

[Buckaroo Banzai]

Have you had a look at a map recently?

Yes I have
You know that it is also important when looking at a map to understand what you are looking at , and the context of the conversation.
The question was , " why Russia did not invade Latvia and Estonia joined NATO" and I offered several reasons that you chose to ignore , one of them being the geographical location of those countries, that in your infinite wisdom chose to show me a map of them
Thank you ,
If you look at that map you will see that strategically, any NATO invasion of Russia from that area will first have to go through Lithuania, which is surrounded by Belarus on the south and Russia on the north Forming a defensible small gap.
A western oriented Ukraine opens up another, much larger front that Russia would have to defend.
Another Thermopylae if You might.
This is widely accepted military doctrine and not a personal opinion.
To the above add Crimea, Oil, Gas, Water, the back sea , and Sevastopol the only Russian year round open port, and you will understand why Ukraine is much more important to the Russians.

Trust me when I tell you, The only way that the Russians and Putin would allow NATO into UKRAIN wiuld be over his dead body. Which is what the Americans want and Putin does not. All these Ukrainians and Russians dying are colateral damage, in this macabre geopolitical game and some of you guys are cheering it on .

PS: I know collateral is misspelled, I was filling generous and left something for Magilla Gorilla to hung his hat on
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[sabang]

Funny little part of the world.

[bsnub]

Still attempting to justify this invasion, I see.

[bsnub]

If you look at that map you will see that strategically, any NATO invasion of Russia from that area will first have to go through Lithuania, which is surrounded by Belarus on the south and Russia on the north Forming a defensible small gap.

This is flawed analysis and defeats your entire argument. NATO could move as many tanks as it wishes into Estonia via rail anytime it chooses to do so during peacetime. Once massed on the Russian frontier, it would take them a mere two and a half hours to be in St Petersburg. They are very strategic countries indeed.

[Troy]

There is no doubt that the 3 baltic states are of strategic importance and there is little doubt that they are feeling vulnerable.

It is as well that Europe united in its sanctions of Russian and that Ukraine did not surrender as quickly as Putin was expecting.

Russian expansion would have followed a quick and decisive defeat of Ukraine and the Baltic states would have been next.

Now though, Putin needs to save face.

BTW just because someone tries to make sense of the invasion doesn't make them an apologist for it.

[Buckaroo Banzai]

Still attempting to justify this invasion, I see.

Not justified it, explain it.

This is flawed analysis and defeats your entire argument. NATO could move as many tanks as it wishes into Estonia via rail anytime it chooses to do so during peacetime. Once massed on the Russian frontier, it would take them a mere two and a half hours to be in St Petersburg. They are very strategic countries indeed.

And you think Russia would not notice NATO moving all these armaments through the gap between Belarus and Russia to first get into Lithuania? and from there through Latvia,
From Latvia why they would go to Estonia, and not continue into Russia trough Latvia where the topography is more conducive to an invasion, is beyond me,
but perhaps they will like to go for a walkabout while the Russians are busy making borscht soup and not noticing any of this. and wade through Lake Peipsi that covers most of the boarder between Estonia and Russia.

[Ravers98]

Nobody in Europe or NATO wants to invade Russia, why do you think they do?

[Backspin]

Still attempting to justify this invasion, I see.

NATO training bases, NATO naval and air bases, Pentagon bio labs, Nazi partisan military units sanctioned by the govt. Evidence that an assault on Donbas was being planned.

Red line's crossed. The invasion was 100% justified.