Ukraine war mega thread

[aging one]

Backspin, instead of sourcing your information from a non-related entity, just simply go directly to the source.

So, here is the image from Backspin's post which he linked.

Exactly why he should be banned from posting in any news story. He really cant tell a valid source from one that is just simply moronic bullshit. This affects the whole of the thread he is posting in time and time again. It happens when he is challenged and begins grasping at straws. Which sadly is a daily occurrence.

[AntRobertson]

Exactly why he should be banned from posting in any news story. He really cant tell a valid source from one that is just simply moronic bullshit. This affects the whole of the thread he is posting in time and time again. It happens when he is challenged and begins grasping at straws. Which sadly is a daily occurrence.

He can't tell and he doesn't care.

He's only in it for the attention.

[Backspin]

Backspin, instead of sourcing your information from a non-related entity, just simply go directly to the source.

So, here is the image from Backspin's post which he linked.




Below is what it should be from the original source ... Indicators – Levada-Center ...

Attachment 84779



A closer look at what backspin posted ...

1/ The title has been changed

2/ There is a combination of English and Russian on the same image (which doesn't happen)

3/ The question has been changed

4/ The table has been hacked, even the rows don't align.

5/ The table has had a new row added to the bottom called 'Poll Method'

6/ For some weird reason numbers have been replaced with the spelling of the number. e.g. '11' has been replaced with the word eleven ... WTF?

7/ General comment is that the sample size is 100 people and there is no reference as to where (as in just Moscow) the population was sampled.

Apart from that, it's flawless

You are entitled to believe that it is all fake.

I am not sure what you are getting at with this gibberish. Maybe you should email the New York Times and tell them that its all fake. Because they believe the numbers too

Putin’s Approval Ratings Soar Amid Russia’s War in Ukraine - The New York Times

[Backspin]

Exactly why he should be banned from posting in any news story. He really cant tell a valid source from one that is just simply moronic bullshit. This affects the whole of the thread he is posting in time and time again. It happens when he is challenged and begins grasping at straws. Which sadly is a daily occurrence.

Fuck off. He made up some gibberish to make it look like he discredited me and you fell for it.

Putin’s Approval Ratings Soar Amid Russia’s War in Ukraine - The New York Times

[bsnub]

Fuck off. He made up some gibberish to make it look like he discredited me and you fell for it.

You post lies, distortions and fake news constantly, so everyone on this forum should just assume that anything you post is horseshit because it almost always is.

[Cujo]

​ the U.S. is the sole possessor state party of chemical weapons

Um, wot?

[aging one]

Fuck off. He made up some gibberish to make it look like he discredited me and you fell for it.

Moronic loser say what? Instead of Thailand why not Russia for your next getaway. Run that by your wife and see how it goes. "Honey we can go to the sea in Crimea once the war is over".

[Shutree]

Moronic loser say what? Instead of Thailand why not Russia for your next getaway. Run that by your wife and see how it goes. "Honey we can go to the sea in Crimea once the war is over".

Why wait? He could go now.

[pickel]

Ukrainian helicopters flew into Russia and attacked an oil depot.

Russia accuses Ukrainian attack helicopters of 'striking oil facility INSIDE Russia': Video appears to show rockets fired from aircraft blowing up storage depot 20 miles from the border

Ukrainian attack helicopters 'strike oil facility INSIDE Russia' | Daily Mail Online

[bsnub]

According to Skiddy that couldn't happen since the Russians have air supremacy and have destroyed all the Ukrainian planes and helicopters.

[panama hat]

BTW just because someone tries to make sense of the invasion doesn't make them an apologist for it.

If 'making more sense' means being an apologist despite you think the opposite, perhaps you should pay better attention.

Dont think anyone did assume that. But when Bucky apportions blame on both sides for the invasion then that is being n apologist.
The very simple fact is no one but Putin is responsible for the invasion. The murder of innocents is on him. Maybe it was because of his fears about NATO, a naked land grab, shoring up domestic support, oil, historical dreams of the USSR, clearing out Nazis: all interesting to discuss but No one but Putin is responsible for the invasion and no one but Putin is responsible for prolonging the invasion.

Let's see . . .

It was a provocation

'it' being the precursor to the invasion.

And Russia would not had invaded if Ukraine had not invited western interests in Russia front door.

More of an apologist . . . in most people's eyes.

What if there is a third position? and that both sides are wrong?

Ah yes, the Trumpian 'good guys on both sides' argument . . . the 'good' invaders and murders of tens of thousands

It takes two to Tango.

Yes, it does . . . those nasty Ukrainians

You're right, Troy - - just trying to make sense of it all

[David48atTD]

You are entitled to believe that it is all fake.

No, I don't believe that it is all fake ... just what you (often) regurgitate is fake.


I posted the source material, you posted up what tom/dick/harry posted and claimed it to be factual ... which clearly it wasn't.

Yours is 'gibberish' ... mine is factual.


Backspin, you've descended to the detritus level of posting where people simple don't believe the rubbish that you post.

You post things that, in your mind, support your argument without even considering if what you are posting is factual ... or not.

Sadly you are interested in the supportive narrative, not in the supporting facts.


YES, there is the 'fog of war' and I expect nothing else, but as members here we should rise above the crap that is out there and post facts.

Sure, there are diverging opinions, yours, most likely is different to mine.

On opinions and attitudes, we can disagree, but on facts ... well, they are simply facts, rising above opinions.

IMHO

[David48atTD]

Moronic loser say what? Instead of Thailand why not Russia for your next getaway. Run that by your wife and see how it goes. "Honey we can go to the sea in Crimea once the war is over".

Why wait? He could go now.

Well ... now is a good time.
Apparently, they have a fireworks display most nights

Rockets ...

Followed by


If you are lucky a

But if not, they leave you dead by the side of the road.

[Edmond]

About time for Ol' Cheddo to join the thread.

Putin

A master strategist and tactician.

[David48atTD]

This is worth a read ... 3-4 mins ... a bit longer if you pause to observe the images, the sea of human displacement.

Not since WWII

[bsnub]

This is worth a read

It was albeit an uncomfortable one, but the horrors of war must be seen to be understood. I have seen some truly gut-wrenching image of dead civilians, seeing the dead children is always the most horrifying. Makes the bastards that come into this thread and cheerlead this war all the more repulsive.

[sabang]

the horrors of war must be seen to be understood

Indeed, and I am gratified to see you have finally become a Humanist. I trust then you will express sympathy for the many, many more victims of war in such places as-

• Iraq
• Afghanistan
• Libya
• Syria
• Yemen
• Donbass, in the 8 years prior to the Russian invasion of Ukraine

That is the current century alone. And do you know what, the final irony? Show me any one of these wars that has actually been worth it, in terms of any geopolitical 'achievement', financial cost or human toll. War sucks.

[bsnub]

Along comes the fucking lemming Russian cheerleader with his ridiculous whataboutism.

[sabang]

So you are not a Humanist at all, just a bigoted Cheerleader? Kindly clarify.

[bsnub]

So you are not a Humanist at all, just a bigoted Cheerleader? Kindly clarify.

It is you that is the cheerleader of this war and your posts have proven it time and again.

[sabang]

Yawn, how many times do I have to repeat it- "This war could, and should have been avoided by the simple application of common sense".
But now, it's war. Do you think it has been worth it, for either Russia or Ukraine? Or Europe in general, flooded by refugees?

[David48atTD]

Yawn, how many times do I have to repeat it- "This war could, and should have been avoided by the simple application of common sense".

Agreed 100% ... had Putin, thus Russia had not invaded Ukraine, there would be no war, no woman and children killed by Russian bombs.

If 'invasion' is the answer, it's a very silly question posed by 'ole Puffy Putin

[sabang]

And if there had been no Maidan revolution, etc etc, etc etc, and if pigs could fly we would all be covered in shit. You know full well that WW1 didn't just start because a disgruntled Serb shot an Austrian duke, and simplistic finger pointing is of no more value here.

[bsnub]

More horseshit from the war cheerleader. The war was unprovoked and illegal.

[sabang]

Tell that to Henry Kissinger, Noam Chomsky, Jack Matlock and all these other 'war cheerleaders' who have more knowledge in their daily stool than you will ever have kiddy.