Ukraine war mega thread

[HermantheGerman]

Ukraine will be partitioned.

Wrong again as always.

The War Criminal will be killed and it will take years for Russia to get up on its feet.

[sabang]

It already has been H- Crimea. And if you think the Donbas republics are going back to Ukraine, I reckon you're drinking too much schnapps.

[HermantheGerman]

Kinda comes down to you being a simpleton . . . economics isn't your strongpoint.
How's this: no gas = no money = Russia dies, Russians die . . . = sabang happy that someone is suffering and can blame Ukraine for this

Now how can you say that? After all, Sabang was a bank clerk and a very shrewd military officer.

[HermantheGerman]

The truth of the mater is that the west was warned by very credible sources, (please google HtG @ Teakdoor))

Don't trust the Kremlin!

Do you have a brain? Can you think for yourself? Let's play a little game and see how dumb you are:

How many kilometers of borders does Russia have?
How many kilometers of borders does Russia share with NATO? (must be a tough one for you )

Provoke?!?

The second part of the test we will continue tomorrow.

Let me help you with some visual aid:
Remember the key word is provoke

[HermantheGerman]

If you like you can use some crayons and mark in the Ukraine border line.

And if you get my point you can even mark in Belarus.

Do you feel anger, enraged, exasperate, provoked?

I can understand if you feel humiliated because no one (Russia) likes you, but militarily provoked is just plain nonsense.

[sabang]

Not including Ukraine then- and it never will.
Seems to me, Nato's expansion phase is over.
Seems to me, that is a good thing.

[bsnub]

Otto von Bismarck once said that only a fool learns from his own mistakes. “I learn from other people’s,” the 19th-century German chancellor said. Astonishingly, the Russian army is repeating the past mistakes of its Soviet predecessor. In April 1945, Marshal Georgy Zhukov, under intense pressure from Stalin, sent his tank armies into Berlin without infantry support. Vladimir Putin’s forces not only made the same error; they even copied the way their forebears had attached odd bits of iron—including bed frames—to their tanks’ turrets in the hopes that the added metal would detonate anti-tank weapons prematurely. This did not save the Russian tanks. It simply increased their profile and attracted Ukrainian tank-hunting parties, just as the Soviet tanks in Berlin had drawn groups of Hitler Youth and SS, who attacked them with Panzerfausts.

The Russian president’s distorted obsession with history, especially with the “Great Patriotic War” against Germany, has skewed his political rhetoric with bizarre self-contradictions. It has clearly affected his military approach. Tanks were a great symbol of strength during the Second World War. That Putin can still see them that way defies belief. The vehicles have proved to be profoundly vulnerable to drones and anti-tank weapons in recent conflicts in Libya and elsewhere; Azerbaijan’s ability to destroy Armenian tanks easily was essential to its 2020 victory in the Nagorno-Karabakh region.


Yet Putin seems to have learned as little as he has forgotten. In August 1968, the Warsaw Pact forces entering Czechoslovakia were told by their political officers that they would be welcomed as liberators. They found themselves cursed, out of fuel, and hungry. Morale was shattered. Putin’s control of domestic media can hide the truth from most of the Russian population, but his conscripts, forced now to sign new contracts to turn them into volunteers, are all too aware of the reality.

His treatment of his own people is as pitiless as his treatment of his enemies. The army even brought a mobile crematorium to Ukraine to dispose of Russian casualties in order to reduce the body-bag count going home. Putin’s Soviet predecessors had a similar disregard for their troops’ feelings. In 1945, the Red Army faced a number of mutinies. Frequently treated with contempt by officers and political departments, soldiers were ordered out at night into no-man’s-land not to retrieve the bodies of fallen comrades, but to strip them of their uniforms for reuse by replacement troops.

Another old pattern repeating itself in Ukraine is the Russian army’s reliance on heavy guns. In World War II, the Red Army bragged about the power of its artillery, which it called “the god of war.” In the Berlin operation, Zhukov’s artillery fired more than 3 million shells, destroying more of the city than the Allies’ strategic air offensive had. The Soviets used Katyusha rocket launchers, which German troops nicknamed “Stalin’s organ” for their howling sound, to kill any remaining defenders. While Putin’s conventional artillery smashes Ukrainian buildings open in the same old way to eliminate potential sniper positions, thermobaric ordnance—the devastating “vacuum bombs” that create a fireball that sucks the oxygen away from their targets—takes the place of the old Katyushas.

The Russians’ destruction of Grozny and Aleppo had already revealed how little their urban-conflict doctrine, unlike that of Western armed forces, has evolved since World War II. The international coalition that reclaimed the cities of Raqqa and Mosul from the Islamic State demonstrated a far more targeted approach, sealing off each city and then clearing it sector by sector.
Putin’s army is clearly not the Red Army, just as Putin’s Russia is not the Soviet Union. Institutional corruption across the government has affected everything, even with officers profiting off of the sale of spare parts and ignoring logistic support in favor of prestige projects. While Ukrainian defenders are destroying Cold War–era Russian T-72 tanks like ducks in a row, the Russian priority has been to reserve enough money to pay for the next generation of high-tech Armata tanks. Yet the Armata can still do little more than trundle across Red Square in Victory Day parades every May 9 to impress the crowds and foreign media. On the battlefield, it would suffer exactly the same fate as the T-72s.

Elite units, paratroopers, and Spetsnaz special forces still exist within the Russian military, but they can achieve little on their own in the chaos of bad command and control. The lack of foresight involved in the introduction of the Russian army’s new Era encrypted-communications system would have been much harder to believe in the more rigorous Soviet days, when such mistakes were severely punished. Supposedly secure, it relies on 3G towers—which Russia destroyed when it invaded Ukraine. Because the system is simply not working, Russian officers have to communicate in open speech by cellphone, as gleeful Ukrainian volunteers listen in.


The 2008 invasion of Georgia, which dealt a setback to the small former Soviet republic but revealed incompetence and weakness on Russia’s part, led to plans to reequip and reform Putin’s armed forces. Those efforts have manifestly failed. This says a good deal about the lack of idealism, probity, and sense of duty within his regime. How this can change at such a late and crucial stage in the Ukraine invasion is very hard to see.

At Stalingrad in late 1942, the Red Army surprised itself and the world with a sudden turnaround, and there are indications that Putin’s forces are adjusting their tactics and preparing two major strategic envelopments, around Kyiv and in eastern Ukraine. An almost Stalinist determination to right the Russian military—backed by the execution of deserters and failing officers—could well extend the conflict in a bloodbath of relentless, grinding destruction.

Against all prewar expectations, though, a Russian military collapse also looks possible. A complete disintegration of morale could lead to a humiliating withdrawal, a potentially devastating result of Putin’s inability to part with the Soviet past.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...tm_source=feed

[David48atTD]

^^ Fails at para3.

So bs as usual.

You got that far?

Respect!

[HermantheGerman]

xNot including Ukraine then- and it never will.
xSeems to me, Nato's expansion phase is over.
xSeems to me, that is a good thing.

3 strikes....your out. Boy are you stupid!


Do you know the meaning of expansion?
NATO members joined willingly!
Russia expanded (Belarus, Kazaghstan etc. forced under dictators)

ahhh.... why do I even bother with a bank clerk.

[bsnub]

Russia is not out to take Kiev, and looks like the conflict will be concentrated in the east- or al least the ground war.

Since you are too dense to realize what is really happening, I will take the liberty to spell it out. Russia is not able to take Kyiv, and they are really starting to get their shit packed in. They just lost Irpin and are getting encircled in the Hostomel area, meaning they are about to be completely cut off. That is why they are suddenly changing their tune.

if you think the Donbas republics are going back to Ukraine, I reckon you're drinking too much schnapps.

The way things are turning in this war, I would say that the Russians just might lose all of Donbas at this point. You Kool-Aid sippers have some uncomfortable surprises ahead, methinks.

[sabang]

Heh, thinking with your heart again snubs. You must have been a good Cheerleader.

[OhOh]

Thank you for your replies.

Fails at para3.

Any particular sentences you have in mind?

The ‘Republics’ mentioned in the opening paragraph are those declared by Russia

The Donetsk People's Republic and the Luhansk People's Republic declared independence years ago.

Minsk II Agreement

"After extensive talks in Minsk, Belarus, the agreement was signed on 5 September 2014 by representatives of the Trilateral Contact Group and, without recognition of their status, by the then-leaders of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) and Luhansk People's Republic (LPR).

The agreement failed to stop fighting,^[4] and was thus followed with a revised and updated agreement, Minsk II, which was signed on 12 February 2015.^[5] This agreement consisted of a package of measures, including a ceasefire, withdrawal of heavy weapons from the front line, release of prisoners of war, constitutional reform in Ukraine granting self-government to certain areas of Donbas and restoring control of the state border to the Ukrainian government."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_agreements

the conduct of PUTIN’S WAR against a sovereign nation without provocation

Ukraine military have been bombarding the republics for 8 years. OSCE reports confirm this.

As is bears no relation to truth or facts

Thank you for your opinion, I presume you have many true facts substantiating your opinion, from independent sources.

[bsnub]

Heh, thinking with your heart again snubs. You must have been a good Cheerleader.

No, I am just not an idiot who claimed this war would never happen.

[sabang]

Anyone would think you are displeased Kiev is not about to be 'turned to glass'. But I am certainly pleased. I suppose the thing for you to worry about is where the freed up troops will be deployed.

[bsnub]

I suppose the thing for you to worry about is where the freed up troops will be deployed.

There are no "freed up troops" you nitwit. As I mentioned before, they are getting encircled. You are so deep into the Russian propaganda false reality wormhole that you clearly have no idea WTF is going on right now.

[Reggie]

The country doing the invading needs to be punished.

So what punishment are you supporting for the UK, US, France, and all the others who have invaded and destroyed multiple countries globally over, say, the last 20 years?

[sabang]

You really are a simpleminded little boy snubs. No point debating with you then.

[tomcat]

You really are a simpleminded little boy snubs

..he's hurt your feelings...again...

[OhOh]

Putin Doesn’t Realize How Much Warfare Has Changed

Quite the opposite.

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are conducting a special military operation.

That is why they are suddenly changing their tune.

The only ones that are changing their tune are the western media and NATO.

Promising Ukraine NATO membership - You're on your own Ukraine

NATO will not fight Russia - POTUS.

[bsnub]

You really are a simpleminded little boy snubs. No point debating with you then.

As I said before, you are a clueless blinkered moron, and it has been proven time and again in these threads. You are out of your depths here as you have been humiliated countless times, yet you still push the propaganda.

Beyond pathetic.

Quite the opposite.

Another clueless lemming chimes in.

The only ones that are changing their tune are the western media and NATO.

The useful idiots are at work.

[Reggie]

The useful idiots are at work.

They sure are.

Give it about 2 months and this brain surgeon will be saying "russia used chemcial weapons on the ethnic russians they are trying to save. Nuke them" when the false flag falls. Same as happened in Syria.

You sir are a Useful Idiot. Except you are probably not that useful.

[bsnub]

You sir are a Useful Idiot. Except you are probably not that useful.

Oh look, it is another dimwitted multi-nick troll who is butthurt about the red I sent him. Another clueless fucking lemming.

It would appear that the Three Stooges have another imbecile that wants in their retarded club of buffoonery.

[Reggie]

I thought the red block meant it was unread? Anyway you used a specific phrase buddy that is about the people who behave like good little serfs swallowing every drop of propaganda that gets delivered to them. That would be you it seems. Now will you be going to Ukraine to fight the commies or are you all mouth and no pants?

[sabang]

Make Nazism Great Again


The supreme target is regime change in Russia, Ukraine is just a pawn in the game – or worse, mere cannon fodder.

ll eyes are on Mariupol. As of Wednesday night, over 70% of residential areas were under control of Donetsk and Russian forces, while Russian Marines, Donetsk’s 107th batallion and Chechen Spetsnaz, led by the charismatic Adam Delimkhanov, had entered the Azov-Stal plant – the HQ of the neo-Nazi Azov batallion.

Azov was sent a last ultimatum: surrender until midnight – or else, as in a take no prisoners highway to hell.

That implies a major game-changer in the Ukrainian battlefield; Mariupol is finally about to be thoroughly denazified – as the Azov contingent long entrenched in the city and using civilians as human shields were their most hardened fighting force.

Meanwhile, echoes from the Empire of Lies all but gave the whole game away. There’s no intention whatsoever in Washington to facilitate a peace plan in Ukraine – and that explains Comedian Zelensky’s non-stop stalling tactics. The supreme target is regime change in Russia, and for that Totalen Krieg against Russia and all things Russian is warranted. Ukraine is just a pawn in the game – or worse, mere cannon fodder.

This also means that the 14,000 deaths in Donbass for the past 8 years should be directly attributed to the Exceptionalists. As for Ukrainian neo-Nazis of all stripes, they are as expendable as “moderate rebels” in Syria, be they al-Qaeda or Daesh-linked. Those that may eventually survive can always join the budding CIA-sponsored Neo-Nazi Inc. – the tawdry remix of the 1980s Jihad Inc. in Afghanistan. They will be properly “Kalibrated”.

A quick neo-Nazi recap

By now only the brain dead across NATOstan – and there are hordes – are not aware of Maidan in 2014. Yet few know that it was then Ukrainian Minister of Interior Arsen Avakov, a former governor of Kharkov, who gave the green light for a 12,000 paramilitary outfit to materialize out of Sect 82 soccer hooligans who supported Dynamo Kiev. That was the birth of the Azov batallion, in May 2014, led by Andriy Biletsky, a.k.a. the White Fuhrer, and former leader of the neo-nazi gang Patriots of Ukraine.

Together with NATO stay-behind agent Dmitro Yarosh, Biletsky founded Pravy Sektor, financed by Ukrainian mafia godfather and Jewish billionaire Ihor Kolomoysky (later the benefactor of the meta-conversion of Zelensky from mediocre comedian to mediocre President.)

Pravy Sektor happened to be rabidly anti-EU – tell that to Ursula von der Lugen – and politically obsessed with linking Central Europe and the Baltics in a new, tawdry Intermarium. Crucially, Pravy Sektor and other nazi gangs were duly trained by NATO instructors.

Biletsky and Yarosh are of course disciples of notorious WWII-era Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera, for whom pure Ukrainians are proto-Germanic or Scandinavian, and Slavs are untermenschen.

Azov ended up absorbing nearly all neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine and were dispatched to fight against Donbass – with their acolytes making more money than regular soldiers. Biletsky and another neo-Nazi leader, Oleh Petrenko, were elected to the Rada. The White Führer stood on his own. Petrenko decided to support then President Poroshenko. Soon the Azov battalion was incorporated as the Azov Regiment to the Ukrainian National Guard.

They went on a foreign mercenary recruiting drive – with people coming from Western Europe, Scandinavia and even South America.

That was strictly forbidden by the Minsk Agreements guaranteed by France and Germany (and now de facto defunct). Azov set up training camps for teenagers and soon reached 10,000 members. Erik “Blackwater” Prince, in 2020, struck a deal with the Ukrainian military that would enable his renamed outfit, Academi, to supervise Azov.

It was none other than sinister Maidan cookie distributor Vicky “F**k the EU” Nuland who suggested to Zelensky – both of them, by the way, Ukrainian Jews – to appoint avowed Nazi Yarosh as an adviser to the Commander-in-Chief of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, Gen Valerii Zaluzhnyi. The target: organize a blitzkrieg on Donbass and Crimea – the same blitzkrieg that SVR, Russian foreign intel, concluded would be launched on February 22, thus propelling the launch of Operation Z.

All of the above, in fact just a quick recap, shows that in Ukraine there’s no difference whatsoever between white neo-Nazis and brown-colored al-Qaeda/ISIS/Daesh, as much as neo-Nazis are just as “Christian” as takfiri Salafi-jihadis are “Muslim”.

When Putin denounced a “bunch of neo-Nazis” in power in Kiev, the Comedian replied that it was impossible because he was Jewish. Nonsense. Zelensky and his patron Kolomoysky, for all practical purposes, are Zio-Nazis.

Even as branches of the United States government admitted to neo-Nazis entrenched in the Kiev apparatus, the Exceptionalist machine made the daily shelling of Donbass for 8 years simply disappear. These thousands of civilian victims never existed.

U.S. mainstream media even ventured the odd piece or report on Azov and Aidar neo-Nazis. But then a neo-Orwellian narrative was set in stone: there are no Nazis in Ukraine. CIA offshoot NED even started deleting records about training members of Aidar. Recently a crappy news network duly promoted a video of a NATO-trained and weaponized Azov commander – complete with Nazi iconography.

Why “denazification” makes sense

The Banderastan ideology harks back to when this part of Ukraine was in fact controlled by the Austro-Hungarian empire, the Russian empire and Poland. Stepan Bandera was born in Austro-Hungary in 1909, near Ivano-Frankovsk, in the – then autonomous – Kingdom of Galicia.

WWI dismembered European empires into frequently non-viable small entities. In western Ukraine – an imperial intersection – that inevitably led to the proliferation of extremely intolerant ideologies.

Banderastan ideologues profited from the Nazi arrival in 1941 to try to proclaim an independent territory. But Berlin not only blocked it but sent them to concentration camps. In 1944 though the Nazis changed tactics: they liberated the Banderanistas and manipulated them into anti-Russian hate, thus creating a destabilization force in the Ukrainian USSR.


So Nazism is not exactly the same as Banderastan fanatics: they are in fact competing ideologies. What happened since Maidan is that the CIA kept a laser focus on inciting Russian hatred by whatever fringe groups it could instrumentalize. So Ukraine is not a case of “white nationalism” – to put it mildly – but of anti-Russian Ukrainian nationalism, for all practical purposes manifested via Nazi-style salutes and Nazi-style symbols.

So when Putin and the Russian leadership refer to Ukrainian Nazism, that may not be 100% correct, conceptually, but it strikes a chord with every Russian.

Russians viscerally reject Nazism – considering that virtually every Russian family has at least one ancestor killed during the Great Patriotic War. From the perspective of wartime psychology, it makes total sense to talk of “Ukro-nazism” or, straight to the point, a “denazification” campaign.

Make Nazism Great Again, by Pepe Escobar - The Unz Review

[bsnub]

More bullshit from utter morons.

The Unz Review

Ron Unz is a financially successful former investment industry and software entrepreneur. Since 2013, he has been the publisher of the Unz Review, a website notable for spreading anti-Semitism and conspiracy theories, especially about U.S. policies related to Israel and the Middle East. Unz Review writers, including Unz himself, have denied the Holocaust, made unsupported smears of lynching victim Emmett Till, and praised the infamous anti-Semitic tract Protocols of the Elders of Zion. ^[1]

In 2018 the Anti-Defamation League declared Unz had embraced “hard core anti-Semitism.” ^[2] In one Unz Review entry sympathetic to Holocaust denial theories such as those of David Irving, Unz concluded instead that “in per capita terms Jews were the greatest mass-murderers of the twentieth century.” ^[3] In another essay, Unz observed that he “couldn’t help but notice that all the powerful mass-media technologies of our modern world–film, radio, and television–had been invented and pioneered by Gentiles, mostly of Anglo-Saxon origin, but in each case control was seized by ruthless Jewish businessmen, who sometimes destroyed the lives and careers of those creators.” ^[4]

The irony of idiots is overwhelming. The president of Ukraine is a Jew.