Ukraine war mega thread

[Backspin]

The US and UK govt's are culpable for encouraging this.

Two Americans, Both Former Army, Wounded by Artillery in Ukraine Combat

Russia publishes names of 100 British 'mercenaries' they say are fighting for Ukraine | Daily Mail Online



British man Scott Sibley killed in Ukraine and second UK national missing | The Independent

[sabang]

It was the Brits that built 'Ukrainian' military facilities along the Black Sea coastline, it turns out. Obviously as a vssal state doing it's masters bidding, but they are definitely up to their neck in this unfolding disaster.

[pickel]

The first, familiar to all, was the coup in Ukraine in which a democratically elected government was overthrown at the direction of the United States and with the assistance of neo-Nazi elements which Ukraine has long harbored.

Bullshit, but they've had a free and fair democratic election since then which nullifies that point.

Shortly thereafter the first shots in the present war were fired on the Russian-sympathetic Donbass region by the newly installed Ukrainian government.

The first shots fired were when Russian troops moved into Donbass to prop up their corrupt cronies.

On February 24, 2022, Russia finally responded to the slaughter in Donbass and the threat of NATO on its doorstep.

If NATO on their doorstep is a threat, why hasn't NATO put troops on the ground in this war even though they have a moral reason to do so? And when other countries join NATO because of Russias invasion of Ukraine it proves to be a poor strategy on Russias part.

[sabang]

Keep on bleating the approved narrative by all means, but what is unfolding on the ground is what really interests me. It could get a lot more complicated.

[David48atTD]

Military exercises are practice invasions. Russian intel is saying that Poland wants to move on west Ukraine.

Gave you a 'n' to help with readability.

As to the premise of your post ...

[sabang]

I wouldn't write it off so offhandedly David.

1- Lviv was an olde Polish city until end WW2. Several Poles harbour historical resentment that it isn't now.
2- If Russia carves off eastern & southern Ukraine, what then?
3- If the dysfunctional, highly corrupt & far Right influenced Zelensky regime collapses, what then?
4- Then you've got the Belarussian north of Ukraine. If above comes to play, what then?

David Stockman was ranting about just such a possibility at the beginning of this war. I kinda wrote it off, and didn't copy it here, but he obviously knows a far bit about the place. This could evolve/ devolve into a reconfiguration of some central European borders. Not guessing it outright, but not dismissing it as an impossibility either.

[harrybarracuda]

Keep on bleating the approved narrative by all means, but what is unfolding on the ground is what really interests me. It could get a lot more complicated.

So you're really interested in the execution of civilians and other war crimes. We know.

[Backspin]

Lviv is a Polish city anyway. Let 'em have it. Anything is better than the Zelensky/ neo-Nazi clownshow.

I agree. But they should negotiate a deal.

[Backspin]

3 hours ago

��BREAKING NEWS��
50 minutes ago the Israeli authorities called on their citizens to leave the territory of Transnistria "as soon as possible"
They were saying the same about Ukraine before the special operation begin... https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/status/1519788540128808971/photo/1

[Backspin]

Bullshit, but they've had a free and fair democratic election since then which nullifies that point.



The first shots fired were when Russian troops moved into Donbass to prop up their corrupt cronies.



If NATO on their doorstep is a threat, why hasn't NATO put troops on the ground in this war even though they have a moral reason to do so? And when other countries join NATO because of Russias invasion of Ukraine it proves to be a poor strategy on Russias part.

Bullshit. Sweden and Finland would have joined NATO anyway. They have been slowly in that process for years. They just never overly call it that. Until now. Oh man NATO membership for Finland!

From 2018.

Finland, Sweden and US sign trilateral agreement, with eye on increased exercises

2016

Finland, Sweden Consider Treaty-based Defense Union

[bsnub]

I wouldn't write it off so offhandedly David.

I would. Only an idiot would think that Poland would invade Ukraine. You clowns have no limits to your idiocy.

Bullshit. Sweden and Finland would have joined NATO anyway.

As usual, you have no idea what you are talking about.

[pickel]

Poland invading Ukraine?



What a laugh.

The most out of touch, blinkered idiots to ever grace TD.

[pickel]

Bullshit. Sweden and Finland would have joined NATO anyway. They have been slowly in that process for years. They just never overly call it that. Until now. Oh man NATO membership for Finland!

From 2018.

Finland, Sweden and US sign trilateral agreement, with eye on increased exercises

2016

Finland, Sweden Consider Treaty-based Defense Union

There was only about 25% in favor of it last year. Now it's about 70% post invasion. Great strategy Vlad.

[Buckaroo Banzai]

Biden seeks $33 billion war chest to support Ukraine, Zelenskiy wants quick approval
Biden seeks $33 billion war chest to support Ukraine, Zelenskiy wants quick approval | Reuters

Here we go again, I guess we will not be able to afford universal healthcare in the US for another 20 years.
The military industrial complex must be salivating.

[sabang]

And who are these arms going to?

[YourDaddy]

Your money will soon be worth nothing folks

[Buckaroo Banzai]

And who are these arms going to?

I think you meant to say, and in whose arms will they be going in.
Zelenskiy seems to have pretty strong arms. probably from all that heavy lifting revealed in the pandora papers.

[sabang]

Looks a bit like this to me too-


Fortunately, President Biden thus far has rejected the most risky policies that hawks are pushing in response to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

Despite being under intense pressure, he continues to rule out proclaiming a no-fly zone, and he flatly rejects suggestions (including from one close political ally) that he consider sending U.S. troops to Ukraine. However, even the policies the administration has embraced entail an unacceptable risk of entangling the United States in a military confrontation with a nuclear-armed power. The United States and some NATO allies are pouring increasingly sophisticated weapons into Ukraine to bolster that country’s resistance to the invasion. Russia recently reiterated its warning that such shipments are legitimate military targets. In addition to lavishing arms on Ukraine, Washington is sharing key military intelligence with Kyiv. The United States is skirting very close to becoming an outright belligerent in an extremely dangerous war.

It would be imprudent for US leaders to put America at such risk even if Ukraine were the most splendid, pristine democracy in history. It is utterly irresponsible to do so for an appalling corrupt and increasingly authoritarian country. Yet that is an accurate characterization of today’s Ukraine.

The twin problems of corruption and repression were evident well before Russia launched its invasion. Ukraine has long been one of the more corrupt countries in the international system, and that situation did not improve appreciably after the so-called Orange Revolution put pro-Western Viktor Yushchenko in the presidency in January 2005. Corruption charges continuously plagued Yushchenko’s presidency. The optics were not improved by his 19-year-old son’s ostentatious lifestyle, including tooling around the streets of Kyiv in a new BMW sports car worth $120,000. Media accounts proliferated about the apparent financial improprieties involving the president and his family.

A similar process occurred after the so-called Maidan revolution in 2014, when U.S.-backed demonstrators overthrew Ukraine’s elected, pro-Russia president, Viktor Yanukovich. The new president who emerged from that turmoil, oligarch Petro Poroshenko, was at least as corrupt as any of his predecessors. Indeed, public frustration at the pervasive financial sleaze in his government was a prominent reason for the victory of maverick comedian Volodymyr Zelensky in Ukraine’s 2019 presidential election.

Efforts to smother domestic critics also became evident just months after the Maidan revolution, and they have accelerated as the years passed. Ukrainian officials harassed political dissidents, adopted censorship measures, and barred foreign journalists they regarded as critics of the government and its policies. Such offensive actions were criticized by Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, and other independent observers. The neo‐​Nazi Azov Battalion became an integral part of Poroshenko’s military and security apparatus, and it has retained that role during Zelensky’s presidency.

FULL- https://original.antiwar.com/Ted_Gal...ssive-ukraine/

[bsnub]

More of the same old, repetitive crap you seem to post over and over.

[sabang]

Then post some repetitive crap about how nice a guy Zelensky is, what a brave Hero, and how enlightened his regime is.

[harrybarracuda]

Then post some repetitive crap about how nice a guy Zelensky is, what a brave Hero, and how enlightened his regime is.

No-one needs to, it's only retards like yourself that keep kissing Puffy Putin's arse.

[HermantheGerman]

Then post some repetitive crap about how nice a guy Zelensky is, what a brave Hero, and how enlightened his regime is.

I still get my laughs from the clown Sabangsky

Putin still has no need to invade Ukraine, but if Ukraine are silly enough to launch a war vs Russia, so be it. Putin just flipped y'all the bird- just as Paul Craig Roberts predicted.

[sabang]

As opposed to retards like you, that would risk nuclear war over a failed or failing state?

[pickel]

As opposed to retards like you, that would risk nuclear war over a failed or failing state?

Russia are the ones threatening nuclear war, and you show zero disdain for that. You would blame the West for Putin using them. Give your head a shake. Retard.

[Neverna]

3 hours ago

��BREAKING NEWS��
50 minutes ago the Israeli authorities called on their citizens to leave the territory of Transnistria "as soon as possible"
They were saying the same about Ukraine before the special operation begin... https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/status/1519788540128808971/photo/1

The US and other countries have, too.

United States, Germany, Britain, France, Canada and Bulgaria.

(April 27, 2022)

Location: Moldova

Event: On April 25 and 26, explosions occurred in Tiraspol and near Mayak in the breakaway Transnistria region. The U.S. Embassy is closely monitoring the situation.

The Department’s travel advisory for Moldova advises U.S. citizens in Transnistria to depart immediately.

Security Alert: U.S. Embassy Chisinau, Moldova - U.S. Embassy in Moldova