Ukraine war mega thread

[NamPikToot]

^^^^ Wind your fuking neck in you child, you and the other two idiots have been glorifying Putin since the start. If i had my way i'd drop you into one of those apartment blocks in Kyiv and make you wait it out whilst your friends are buzzing missiles at you or wait for your Chechen heroes to hunt you out. You are an entitled moron bitching at life being unfair, Sab is supposedly ex Mil and so i can only assume he had an easy ride in the Barrel and never got anywhere near seeing people die in theatre, civilian or military.

^^^ Bollocks.

[pickel]

I read (on Quora I think) that a Chechen special forces regiment had been used to wipe out the neo-Nazi Azov Brigade, HQ'd outside of Mariupol. Can't confirm that, but hope they got the job done!

There are literally Nazi's at a White Nationalist convention in the USA cheering Putin on. Putin loves Nazi's and they love him.

[helge]

you and the other two idiots have been glorifying Putin since the start.

I dare you to find one positive word about Putin coming from my keyboard.

[NamPikToot]

It was aimed at the Canuk moron, OhOh and Sabang.

[sabang]

Piss n vinegar mike! This war could and should have been avoided. Reap what you have sown.

"An avoidable crisis that was predictable, actually predicted, willfully precipitated, but easily resolved by the application of common sense, writes Jack Matlock, the [second] last U.S. ambassador to the U.S.S.R."

[NamPikToot]

^ Yes, especially if your hero Putin wasn't a megalomaniac, why do you take such pleasure in it you sad little man.

[Backspin]

Ukraine and Georgia were denied entry into NATO. Russia invaded both anyway.

What about the 1500 tons of Nato weapons that were delivered to "not in Nato" Ukraine a couple weeks ago?

[Backspin]

Absolutely not in my case- I am a Humanist and anti-war. Why do you think I am so appalled by US foreign policy? I am appalled too that this invasion of Ukraine seems open ended, and not the 'limited operation' that Putin first announced. I am as uncertain as anyone else what Russia's true objectives are. But I'm afraid when it come to ultra-Islamist terrorists (iSIS etc) and neo-Nazis (Azov etc) the milk of human kindness does not flow through my veins.

I agree. But think of it this way. We don't have that last 10% of information that the Russian security council has. I think they are just destroying military assets around the country. The electricity , internet and cellphone service still works across Ukraine. This stuff allegedly going on in downtown Kiev is mostly fiction.

[Backspin]

^^^^ Wind your fuking neck in you child, you and the other two idiots have been glorifying Putin since the start. If i had my way i'd drop you into one of those apartment blocks in Kyiv and make you wait it out whilst your friends are buzzing missiles at you or wait for your Chechen heroes to hunt you out. You are an entitled moron bitching at life being unfair, Sab is supposedly ex Mil and so i can only assume he had an easy ride in the Barrel and never got anywhere near seeing people die in theatre, civilian or military.

^^^ Bollocks.

If I was in Kiev, I'd be online like I am now. The city isn't being run over. The internet still works. The Russian military is just going around the outskirts destroying Nato weapons.

[pickel]

What about the 1500 tons of Nato weapons that were delivered to "not in Nato" Ukraine a couple weeks ago?

What about it? It came after Putin put his troops on the border. An invasion like this takes more than a couple weeks to plan. Putin was going in anyway, NATO knew it, so gave them weapons. I call that smart, and I call you dumb.

[pickel]

The Russian military is just going around the outskirts destroying Nato weapons.

From the footage I've seen, those NATO weapons are doing a fair bit of destroying as well.

[NamPikToot]

If I was in Kiev, I'd be online like I am now. The city isn't being run over. The internet still works. The Russian military is just going around the outskirts destroying Nato weapons.

You think this is as bad as it gets and its just a holiday camp, fuk i hate morons like you.

[Backspin]

Russia isn't fighting to subjugate Ukraine. It is fighting to prevent the US from subjugating Ukraine.

[kingwilly]

As it did in Afganistan.

There's a few differences with Afghanistan, distance away and mountainous terrain being two important factors

[panama hat]

I was wrong

(as I said a while back)

I thought that there was going to be some "solution" regarding the situation in the eastern civilwar, which the population there wants and deserves.

Many were wrong about this murderer, not just you. My distrust of him stems from the fact that Soviet-Style totalitarians don't understand the world as we do, don't see it as we do.

Russia is just de militerizing Ukraine.

Can someone shut this maggot up . . .

I am a Humanist and anti-war. Why do you think I am so appalled by US foreign policy?

Of course, you are anti-war which is why you are criticising the US whole Russia is murdering thousands - wanker.

What the fuck is wrong with you, sabang? You and backspin beating the same drum. I thought you had more heart that that Canadian clown and you were just poking fun on TD to get a rise.

You're a bit late in coming to this realisation . . .

[kingwilly]

Russia isn't fighting to subjugate Ukraine. It is fighting to prevent the US from subjugating Ukraine.

So the rest of the work doesn't know what Putin's objectives are, but you do?

[sabang]

It is clear that certain elements in the US (also UK & Nato) want to draw this out into a prolonged, bloody conflict. I hope they don't succeed, and I find it appalling that human lives are being used as cannon fodder for somebody elses stupid geopolitical game. A losing game at that.

This is likely to stop the further expansion of Nato- that is good. This is likely to put a halt to the militarization of Ukraine (after the Peace deal)- good also. Ukraine will become neutral, or quite probably rift in two between the Russian east and demi-Polish west. US/western hegemonic ambitions have been dealt a severe blow- good. And the casualty count is surprisingly low at this point- the contrast to US style 'shock n awe' could not be more extreme.

My fear is that by rapidly channeling arms to Ukraine, Russia will be drawn into a more prolonged, bloody conflict and will resort to more extreme military measures. I have no question Putin would resort to this, if required. So I am hoping for a fairly quick resolution when the leaders of Ukraine and Russia get their heads together.

[pickel]

Russia isn't fighting to subjugate Ukraine. It is fighting to prevent the US from subjugating Ukraine.

Blah blah blah

The Ukrainians are fighting for their freedom and the right to choose their own path. I hope they kill enough Russians to make the Russian people decide their own path to freedom as well, and eventually string Putin up on a lamp post and beat him like a human pinata.

[kingwilly]

I hope they don't succeed, and I find it appalling that human lives are being used as cannon fodder for somebody elses stupid geopolitical game. A losing game at that.

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They are fighting for their home not a geopolitical game

[NamPikToot]

If I was in Kiev, I'd be online like I am now. The city isn't being run over. The internet still works. The Russian military is just going around the outskirts destroying Nato weapons.

Russia isn't fighting to subjugate Ukraine. It is fighting to prevent the US from subjugating Ukraine.

If you were in Kyiv as a male over 18 you'd be pressed into the resistance, but of course your strong beliefs and superior perspective would win over either the Ukrainians or the Chechen squads, either way you'd be dandy.

[pickel]

I hope they don't succeed

So, you're hoping a free democratic nation that was invaded by a thug loses? Shame on you.

This is likely to stop the further expansion of Nato

Just add that to the already long list of things you are wrong about.

[NamPikToot]

It is clear that certain elements in the US (also UK & Nato) want to draw this out into a prolonged, bloody conflict. I hope they don't succeed,

Its not clear, unless you are one Russian who is drawing his country into a conflict it doesn't want, will kill countless innocent civilians and military in a country that has not in anyway threatened Russia and will further isolate and set his country back decades.

EDIT

I feel as sad for the Russian people as i do the Ukrainians - neither deserve Putin.

[pickel]

Another of Putins buddies is jumping ship. Lukashenko must be regretting his decision by now.

Hungary will support all European Union sanctions against Russia and will not block anything, Prime Minister Viktor Orban said on Saturday, speaking on the Ukrainian-Hungarian border."Hungary made clear that we support all the sanctions, so we will block nothing, so what the prime ministers of the European Union are able to agree, we accept it and we support it," he told reporters in English.

Hungary won'''t block any sanctions against Russia, PM Orban says | Reuters

[NamPikToot]

^ He's seen the future and it isn't USSR 2

[sabang]

Russia isn't fighting to subjugate Ukraine.

It needs to make that clear then. I am afraid I don't really know what Russias game is at this point. Was invading the Capitol really necessary, unless he is looking to topple the government? There is a lot of ambiguity out there.