Ukraine war mega thread

[bsnub]

I very much doubt there will be any war at all snubs

Well duh. Your little Poot of a turd has enough might to push into Eastern Europe.

[Switch]

Belarus already signed the union state treaty. It's off the board and part of Russia. It's not Russia that is ruling with puppet govts. It's the US in Ukraine. Why else did they have to make every other opposition party illegal ?

Plus as you said , Ukraine has been free since 1991 and all they have to show for it is a failed state

Ukraine is one of the most resource rich countries in the world. Huge reserves of natural minerals. Try to ignore that on your next google search.
Its the only reason Russia is trying, and failing to pressurize Ukraine. Being afraid of NATO is probably another ruse.

[sabang]

Well if you really wish to get your claws in there and exploit these fabled natural minerals, perhaps you might start by ceasing to harm the Ukraine's economic interests, as President Zelensky has implored you? Just a thought. That is what real allies do. Perhaps you might even spare a thought for Germany/ EU in this regard too.

[Switch]

Well if you really wish to get your claws in there and exploit these fabled natural minerals, perhaps you might start by ceasing to harm the Ukraine's economic interests, as President Zelensky has implored you? Just a thought. That is what real allies do. Perhaps you might even spare a thought for Germany/ EU in this regard too.

The major cause of harm is Putin. He already annexed Crimea, and you expect people to believe that he is harmless!!!
Left to their own devices, Ukraine would have no problem exploiting its own resources. Provided Russia doesn’t annex the entire country first.
Despite the pandemic, and economic ruin facing large parts of the world, the media wankers insist on publishing clickbit to incite both sides to go at each other. It worked for Backspin and OhOh. They can’t wait for the tanks to roll.

[sabang]

Russia is not going to annex Ukraine switch (although you can expect an ongoing tussle in the political arena between the more west and east leaning elements)- and if you look at Ukraine's trade figures, you do not need to be a Macroeconomist to realise it has vital trade links in both directions. But that pretty much describes Ukraine in a political sense since the dissolution of the USSR back in 1991. Until Maidan, that is.

The Ukrainian people do not benefit at all from being a pawn in someone elses geopolitical game. Right now, the anglo West is hurting their fragile economy and has been asked to desist in no uncertain terms by the government of Ukraine. Will your opinion leaders listen? That remains to be seen- but if you do not, you are not a Ukrainian ally at all. So you just play into Chinese hands, again.

[harrybarracuda]

The Ukrainian people do not benefit at all from being a pawn in Putin's geopolitical game.

FTFY.

[misskit]

Stock market tanking in the US because….


U.S. says war appears imminent after shelling on Ukraine front line

UK sees 'blatant attempt' to 'fabricate pretexts for invasion'
Zelenskiy calls shelling 'big provocation'
Kremlin says it is seriously concerned
West disputes Russian announcement of pullback

MOSCOW/KYIV, Feb 17 (Reuters) - U.S. President Joe Biden said on Thursday there was now every indication Russia was planning to invade into Ukraine, including signs Moscow was carrying out a false flag operation to justify it, after Ukrainian forces and pro-Moscow rebels traded fire.


Moscow, for its part, ejected the number two official from the U.S. embassy and released a strongly worded letter to the United States accusing Washington of ignoring its security demands.


Biden's remarks came shortly after Ukraine and pro-Russian separatists exchanged fire across a frontline that divides them, in what Western officials described as a possible pretext created by Moscow to invade.


"We have reason to believe they are engaged in a false flag operation to have an excuse to go in. Every indication we have is they’re prepared to go into Ukraine and attack Ukraine," Biden told reporters as he departed the White House.


Biden ordered Secretary of State Antony Blinken to change his travel plans at the last minute to speak at a United Nations Security Council meeting on Ukraine.


"The evidence on the ground is that Russia is moving toward an imminent invasion. This is a crucial moment," U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, Linda Thomas-Greenfield, told reporters.


Russia denies planning to invade its neighbour and said this week it was pulling back some of the more than 100,000 troops it has massed near the frontier. Washington says Russia is not withdrawing, but in fact sending more forces.


"We see them fly in more combat and support aircraft. We see them sharpen their readiness in the Black Sea," Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said at NATO headquarters in Brussels. "We even see them stocking up their blood supplies."


"I was a soldier myself not that long ago. I know firsthand that you don't do these sorts of things for no reason," said Austin, a retired Army general. "And you certainly don't do them if you're getting ready to pack up and go home."


Ukraine and pro-Russian rebels gave conflicting accounts of shelling across the front in the Donbass separatist region. The details could not be established independently, but reports from both sides suggested an incident more serious than the routine ceasefire violations reported regularly in the area.


Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov said Moscow was "seriously concerned" about reports of an escalation.


Britain's Foreign Secretary Liz Truss called the reports "a blatant attempt by the Russian government to fabricate pretexts for invasion.


Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said the pro-Russian forces had shelled a kindergarten, in what he called a "big provocation". The separatists, for their part, accused government forces of opening fire on their territory four times in the past 24 hours.


Austin said Washington was "still gathering details, but we have said for some time that the Russians might do something like this in order to justify a military conflict."


NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said the alliance was "concerned that Russia is trying to stage a pretext for an armed attack against Ukraine. There is still no clarity, no certainty about the Russian intentions".


"They have enough troops, enough capabilities to launch a full-fledged invasion of Ukraine with very little or no warning time."


A senior Ukrainian government source said the shelling at the line of contact with Russian-backed separatist forces went beyond the scale of ceasefire violations routinely reported throughout the conflict.


'LOOKS A LOT LIKE A PROVOCATION'


"It is not typical. It looks a lot like a provocation," the source told Reuters.


A Reuters photographer in the town of Kadiivka, in Ukraine's rebel-held Luhansk region, heard the sound of some artillery fire from the direction of the line of contact, but was not able to determine the details of the incident.


Kremlin spokesperson Peskov said Moscow had already warned that a concentration of additional Ukrainian forces near the Donbass frontline created a risk of provocations. Kyiv has denied massing extra troops in the area.


Kyiv accused the rebels of firing shells at several locations, including some that struck a kindergarten and others that hit a school where pupils had to flee to the cellar.


Video footage released by Ukrainian police showed a hole through a brick wall in a room scattered with debris and children's toys. Separate images showed emergency workers escorting small children and teachers from a building.


Russia's defence ministry released video it said showed more Russian units leaving the area near the border.


But Maxar Technologies, a private U.S. company that has been tracking the build-up, said satellite images showed that, while Russia has pulled back some military equipment from near Ukraine, other hardware has arrived.

U.S. says war appears imminent after shelling on Ukraine front line | Reuters

[misskit]

Ukraine crisis: ‘Kindergarten hit by pro-Russian forces’ amid false flag fears | Evening Standard

Ukraine crisis: Joe Biden accuses Russia of running ‘false flag operation’ to justify invasion – live | World news | The Guardian

Russia Expels Senior U.S. Diplomat | National Review

[Backspin]

FTFY.

You are ignorant. From 1991 to 2014, Ukraine was independent. It was written into the constitution.

You , me or anybody , didn't hear anything about Ukraine until the US of fucking A, chose to try and join Ukraine into Nato.
Which is to say , it's not Russia's fucking geopolitical game. It's the US's.

[misskit]

Satellite images show new military bridge near Ukraine amid Russian buildup


A new military pontoon bridge has been established over the Pripyat River in Belarus, less than four miles from the Ukraine border, Maxar Technologies found, as satellite images this week continue to show heightened military activity in Belarus, Crimea and western Russia.

IMAGES Satellite images show new military bridge near Ukraine amid Russian buildup


So About That Russian ‘Mystery Bridge’ That Appeared Out of Thin Air

[helge]

Its entirely of his making,

No, not entirely

sending a peaceful nation to the brink of war,

Have for one reason or the other been part of a civil war for years

Your little Poot of a turd has enough might to push into Eastern Europe.

Not unless he is suicidal.

No might nor will

Ukraine is one of the most resource rich countries in the world. Huge reserves of natural minerals. Try to ignore that on your next google search.
Its the only reason Russia is trying

The only one ?

Nothing to do with the eastern regions ?

If his only fault is greed, then pay him off.

The major cause of harm is Putin.

OK
Now we are getting somewhere

Atleast you are of the opinion, that someone are the cause of minor harm.

We aren't far apart

[sabang]

Yada yada- same shit, different day.

[NamPikToot]

Yada yada- same shit, different day.

Its Helge, he's Danish and European, they spend a lot of time talking, mainly congratulating themselves for being European. Reminds me of Rome many years ago.

[helge]

Well that's funnny


Nice to see that you have some humour left.

Reminds me of Rome many years ago.

Sadly never been there

How was it ?

[NamPikToot]

British, we invented it, naturally

[helge]

we invented it

Wasn't it brought over to Fogland by the Anglo,s, Vikings or the Norsy Normans ?

Now where was it they came from ?

Any pics from your trip to Rome ?

[sabang]

Whoever Vlad Putin is, Julius Caesar he isn't.

[NamPikToot]

Any pics from your trip to Rome ?

i have actually, before you were born, it was full of corrupt lazy dagos and still is but the difference these days is you and the remaining north euros have to pay for them, oh and Spain and with a bit of luck Scotland too

[helge]

Nothing new there

A disgrace

[HermantheGerman]

You , me or anybody , didn't hear anything about Ukraine until the US of fucking A

Again, you are the dumbest board member.
At least you have heard of the Ukraine now

[HermantheGerman]

Nobody threatens Russia. No country has made any territorial claims to Russia. Unfortunately, the opposite cannot be said.
Russia still suffers from her old disease: one feels safe only when one can subjugate others and always feels victimized when others resist.
I can't take this nonsense anymore.

[sabang]

Are you suffering from Anxiety, Herman?

[bsnub]

Its Helge, he's Danish and European, they spend a lot of time talking, mainly congratulating themselves for being European. Reminds me of Rome many years ago.

Is there a nation on earth that you sad little island monkeys (specifically you) are not jealous or resentful of? Almost every post you make on this forum displays your own personal inadequacy.

[HermantheGerman]

Are you suffering from Anxiety, Herman?

Naah, just had a few wine spritzers

[sabang]

^ Onya.



War in Europe and the Rise of Raw Propaganda


The war hysteria that has rolled in like a tidal wave in recent weeks and months is the most striking example. Known by its jargon, “shaping the narrative,” much if not most of it is pure propaganda.


by John Pilger


Marshall McLuhan’s prophecy that “the successor to politics will be propaganda” has happened. Raw propaganda is now the rule in Western democracies, especially the US and Britain.

On matters of war and peace, ministerial deceit is reported as news. Inconvenient facts are censored, demons are nurtured. The model is corporate spin, the currency of the age. In 1964, McLuhan famously declared, “The medium is the message.” The lie is the message now.

But is this new? It is more than a century since Edward Bernays, the father of spin, invented “public relations” as a cover for war propaganda. What is new is the virtual elimination of dissent in the mainstream.

The great editor David Bowman, author of The Captive Press, called this “a defenestration of all who refuse to follow a line and to swallow the unpalatable and are brave”. He was referring to independent journalists and whistleblowers, the honest mavericks to whom media organizations once gave space, often with pride. The space has been abolished.

The war hysteria that has rolled in like a tidal wave in recent weeks and months is the most striking example. Known by its jargon, “shaping the narrative,” much if not most of it is pure propaganda.

The Russians are coming. Russia is worse than bad. Putin is evil, “a Nazi like Hitler,” salivated the Labour MP, Chris Bryant. Ukraine is about to be invaded by Russia – tonight, this week, next week. The sources include an ex CIA propagandist who now speaks for the US State Department and offers no evidence of his claims about Russian actions because “it comes from the US Government.”

The no-evidence rule also applies in London. The British Foreign Secretary, Liz Truss, who spent £500,000 of public money flying to Australia in a private plane to warn the Canberra government that both Russia and China were about to pounce, offered no evidence. Antipodean heads nodded; the “narrative” is unchallenged there. One rare exception, former prime minister Paul Keating, called Truss’s warmongering “demented”.

Truss has blithely confused the countries of the Baltic and the Black Sea. In Moscow, she told the Russian foreign minister that Britain would never accept Russian sovereignty over Rostov and Voronezh – until it was pointed out to her that these places were not part of Ukraine but in Russia. Read the Russian press about the buffoonery of this pretender to 10 Downing Street and cringe.

Full Article- John Pilger: War in Europe and the Rise of Raw Propaganda


Demented. Yes indeed.