Ukraine war mega thread

[HermantheGerman]

Russia is threatening Europe with Super-Nuclar weapons

Belarusian leader (Putin's Puppet) Alexander Lukashenko said on Feb. 17 his country could host nuclear weapons if it faces an external threat as tensions soar between his ally Russia and the West over Ukraine.
“If necessary, if such stupid and mindless steps are taken by our rivals and opponents, we will deploy not only nuclear weapons, but super-nuclear and up-and-coming ones to protect our territory,” Lukashenko said, according to the state-run Belta news agency.

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The war hysteria that has rolled in like a tidal wave in recent weeks and months is the most striking example.....

No shit Sherlock!

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If I was Putin , I would have pulled out of the nuclear test ban treaty in 2014, just after the US overthrew the govt in Ukraine.

Then go back to Semipalatinsk and test some nukes again. This time in prestine 4k HD. The Anglo powers waltz around like we are in the pre nuclear age. They need a wake-up call clearly.

[OhOh]

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If I was Putin , I would have pulled out of the nuclear test ban treaty in 2014, just after the US overthrew the govt in Ukraine.

Then go back to Semipalatinsk and test some nukes again. This time in prestine 4k HD. The Anglo powers waltz around like we are in the pre nuclear age. They need a wake-up call clearly.

No history books in Vancouver library?

[NamPikToot]

Almost every post you make on this forum displays your own personal inadequacy.

Helge and myself were having a bit of banter, sorry it upset you.

[HermantheGerman]

If I was Putin , I would have pulled out of the nuclear test ban treaty in 2014, just after the US overthrew the govt in Ukraine.

Then go back to Semipalatinsk and test some nukes again. This time in prestine 4k HD. The Anglo powers waltz around like we are in the pre nuclear age. They need a wake-up call clearly.

Changed your mind yet

You claim that "everybody think that he is an idiot".

I do not think that he is an idiot

[misskit]

Russia to stage massive nuclear drills amid Ukraine standoff

MOSCOW (AP) — The Russian military on Friday announced massive drills of its strategic nuclear forces, a stark reminder of the country’s nuclear might amid Western fears that Moscow might be preparing to invade Ukraine.


Russian President Vladimir Putin will personally oversee Saturday’s exercise, which will involve multiple practice launches of intercontinental ballistic missiles and cruise missiles, the Defense Ministry said.


Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Putin would observe the drills from the Defense Ministry’s situation room and supervise the practice missile launches himself.


The ministry said it planned the maneuvers some time ago to check the readiness of Russia’s military command and personnel, as well as the reliability of its nuclear and conventional weapons.

The war games follow U.S. President Joe Biden’s warning on Thursday that Russia could invade Ukraine within days.


Western fears focus on an estimated 150,000 Russian troops — including about 60% of Russia’s overall ground forces — concentrated near Ukraine’s borders. The Kremlin insists it has no plans to invade.

But Moscow has demanded that the U.S. and its allies keep Ukraine and other ex-Soviet nations out of NATO, not deploy weapons in Ukraine and pull back NATO forces from Eastern Europe.


Washington and its allies bluntly rejected the Russian demands, and Moscow threatened to take unspecified “military-technical measures” if the West continued to stonewall.


Russia holds massive drills of its strategic nuclear forces on an annual basis, but the maneuvers planned for Saturday pointedly involve the Black Sea Fleet. The fleet is based on the Crimean Peninsula, which Russia annexed from Ukraine in 2014.


The Black Sea Fleet has surface warships and submarines equipped with Kalibr cruise missiles, but its doesn’t have intercontinental ballistic missiles and didn’t take part in similar previous drills of the country’s strategic forces.


The Kremlin’s Peskov said Russia notified foreign partners in advance and the exercise shouldn’t cause worries in the West.


“Practice launches of ballistic missiles are part of regular training,” he said. “They are preceded by a series of notices to other nations via different channels.”


The strategic forces of both Russia and the United States include a nuclear triad of land-based intercontinental ballistic missiles, submarine-based ICBMs and nuclear-capable bombers.


The exercise of Russia’s nuclear forces follows a series of sweeping drills that the Russian military held near Ukraine and in Belarus, an ally of Moscow that neighbors Ukraine to the north.

The Russian military said it started pulling troops back to their permanent bases after the drill. The U.S. and its allies questioned the claim and said that Moscow has actually moved thousands of new troops closer to Ukraine.


Moscow argued that the pullback takes time and rejected Western criticism, saying that it would deploy troops wherever it’s necessary to ensure national security.

Russia to stage massive nuclear drills amid Ukraine standoff | AP News

[OhOh]

Here’s what Russia told US and NATO after its proposals were rejected

Moscow addressed the situation in Ukraine, US nuclear weapons in Europe, NATO violating treaties, and the law-based way forward.

17 Feb, 2022 23:21

"Russia may respond with “military and technical measures” to ensure its own security after the US and NATO ignored key points from its proposal for a long-term European security architecture, and instead cherry-picked issues from a package deal, Moscow said on Thursday.The overall sentiment of the 10-page document, published by the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) on Thursday, was that the US and its allies refused to even address Russia’s “red lines” and key security interests. The MFA also addressed specific issues such as Ukraine, Crimea, US troop presence and weapons build-up along Russian borders, as well as arms control. Here are the key takeaways.

Russia has no plans to invade Ukraine, Moscow says

Moscow insists that there is no “Russian invasion” of Ukraine, nor are there any plans for one. Accusations by the US and its allies about Russian responsibility for the “escalation” in Ukraine can only be seen as an attempt to pressure Moscow and dismiss Russian proposals for security guarantees, the document argues, calling the conflict in Ukraine “entirely internal in character.”




Moscow argues the conflict can only be resolved through the implementation of the Minsk Agreements and the measures envisioned therein. The UN Security Council Resolution 2022 names Kiev and the regions of Donetsk and Lugansk as the parties concerned, while Russia is a mediator alongside France and Germany, in the so-called Normandy Format. To de-escalate the situation in Ukraine, the MFA says, the West needs to compel Kiev to implement the measures agreed in Minsk, stop sending weapons to Ukraine, withdraw all of its advisers and instructors, stop NATO exercises with Ukraine’s military, and pull all foreign weapons previously delivered to Kiev from Ukrainian territory.

Moscow says Crimea case ‘closed’

Russia did not “occupy” Ukrainian territory in 2014, the MFA insisted, arguing that “the loss of territorial integrity by the Ukrainian government is the result of internal processes in that country,” and, specifically, pointing to the coup d’etat backed by the US and its allies, “whose perpetrators embarked on building a nationalist state infringing on the rights of ethnic Russians and Russian-speaking people, as well as other nationalities.”

In those circumstances, Moscow says, the region of Crimea and the city of Sevastopol held a referendum to rejoin Russia, in line with the UN-guaranteed right of self-determination. “No force or coercion was applied. The question of where Crimea belongs is closed,” the MFA said. Ukraine still considers the peninsula to be part of its territory and its state policy is to “reintegrate” it by any means, including force. The US and NATO likewise do not recognize Crimea rejoining Russia, calling it an illegal “annexation.”

US must withdraw from Russian borders, Moscow insists

Russia has “no forces on the territory of Ukraine,” the MFA said in the document, adding that the deployments of troops within Russia’s own territory “do not and cannot concern the fundamental interests of the United States.” By contrast, Russia said, the US and its NATO allies have expanded their military infrastructure eastward, violating both the 1990 Treaty on Conventional Forces in Europe (CFE) and the 1997 Founding Act on Mutual Relations, Cooperation and Security between Russia and NATO. Moscow insists on the withdrawal “of all US armed forces and weapons deployed in Central and Eastern Europe, Southeastern Europe, and the Baltics.”

Russia says NATO’s ‘open doors’ policy violates security

While the US remains committed to NATO’s policy of “open doors” – not ruling out admission of any country that applies to the alliance – Moscow noted that this violates the commitments NATO made in June 1991, to not endanger legitimate interests of other states or create new lines of division in Europe.




It also clashes with the principle of indivisibility of security which the US committed to under the treaties that established the Organization for European Security Cooperation (OSCE), namely to “not to enhance their security at the expense of the security of others,” in Russia’s view. “We call on the US and NATO to return to their international obligations in the sphere of supporting peace and security,” the MFA said. “We expect from the alliance specific proposals on the form and content of legal guarantees that NATO will not expand further to the east.”

Moscow wants indivisible security for all, not just NATO

Washington needs to demonstrate it actually believes in the principle of indivisible security, Moscow argued, accusing the US of refusing to give up its “counterproductive and destabilizing course” of seeking advantages for itself and its allies at the expense of Russian security interests, while threatening Russia’s borders. In Moscow’s view, the right of countries to “freely choose or change their security arrangements, including entering alliances,” which the US cites, is not absolute, but is only half the formula contained in existing European security treaties. The document points out that Washington keeps omitting the second half, about not enhancing one’s own security at the expense of others.

Russia wants NATO to stop putting nukes in Europe

There was no answer to the Russian proposal to stop deploying nuclear weapons outside one’s own territory – something the US has repeatedly done with NATO allies, in violation of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty (NPT), the MFA said. Such weapons are currently deployed in the territory of several NATO members and are capable of targeting Russia.
Moscow insists they must be withdrawn, the infrastructure for quickly redeploying them to Europe dismantled, and NATO must stop training non-nuclear members in the handling of such weapons. “Without the removal of this irritant, discussion on the topic of non-strategic nuclear weapons is impossible,” Russia said.

Violation of ‘red lines’ may lead to ‘military-technical’ response – Moscow

The US and NATO are increasing their military activity on Russia’s borders while ignoring Moscow’s “red lines” and fundamental security interests, the MFA said, describing the situation as a “cause for alarm.” Russia described ultimatums and threats of sanctions as “unacceptable” and said they undermine the chances of reaching actual diplomatic agreements. Since the US is not prepared to discuss firm and legally binding guarantees of Russian security, Moscow will be forced to respond, including “through the implementation of measures of a military-technical nature,” the MFA said."

Here’s what Russia told US and NATO after its proposals were rejected — RT Russia & Former Soviet Union

[helge]

Evacuation of population in Luhansk and Donetsk.

This can't be good signs


Putins talk of genocide is also worrying

You can't negociate out of genocide

Has he backed himself up against a wall ?

[Backspin]

No history books in Vancouver library?

You are truly , a moron. Chernobyl had nothing to do with nuclear weapons. You utter fool

[Backspin]

Are you suggesting that Russian troops are not in field positions near the UkraineRussian border?
If that’s true, what’s all the fuss about?

Perhaps the Ukrainians troops are more interested in defending their homeland! I suspect their complaints are directed at Russian threats to their country.

Except for the little detail that one half of Ukrainians would vote to join the Russian Federation in a NY minute given the chance.

The lot of you Anglo imperialists don't even get the basic fundamentals of this conflict. Because of the way it's propagated in the media.

[helge]

Not sure that Kasackstan would like the idea of more tests in 'Semipalatinsk'.

But you never know.

The guy in charge there, ows Putin a favour.

[Troy]

Except for the little detail that one half of Ukrainians would vote to join the Russian Federation in a NY minute given the chance.

I think you'll find that most Ukrainians couldn't give a jot either way, they just want to improve their lives and opportunities.

[misskit]

Ukraine crisis: reports in Russian state media of explosion in Donetsk amid fears of plan to trigger invasion – live

Russian state media say a blast has occurred in Donetsk amid multiple US warnings of false flag incidents.

MORE Ukraine crisis: reports in Russian state media of explosion in Donetsk amid fears of plan to trigger invasion – live

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I think you'll find that most Ukrainians couldn't give a jot either way, they just want to improve their lives and opportunities.

Which would mean, joining the Russian federation. Anyone with an ounce of determination, moves there anyway for work.

Ukraine was at least hanging in there until 2012/13. Investment was coming from China and Russia. Then the US pulled the rip cord on Nato membership. If only they could go back.

[helge]

amid multiple US warnings of false flag incidents.

And false 'false flag incidents'.
And false false false.....

[HermantheGerman]

The true face of Russia (still communist bastards ) can be seen clearly at the Olympics.

Olympics chief condemns Russian skater Kamila Valieva'''s treatment by entourage

First they dope a 15 year old girl and now they humiliate her. Some things never change.

[misskit]

Russian-backed separatists announce civilian evacuation from eastern Ukraine as escalation stokes invasion fears


The move comes amid a spike in shelling in the area, with tensions rising once again after the West disputed Moscow’s claims of a troop pullback.

Russian-backed separatists fighting in eastern Ukraine announced an evacuation of their breakaway region's residents to Russia on Friday, heightening fears that Moscow was planning to use an escalation in the long-running conflict as a pretext to invade.


The move comes amid a spike in shelling in the area that has stoked fresh global alarm, with tensions rising once again after the United States and its allies disputed Moscow’s claims of a troop pullback from near its neighbor's borders.


Moscow announced large-scale drills involving its nuclear forces starting Saturday that will be overseen by President Vladimir Putin and will offer a timely reminder of the country’s nuclear might, as Europe faces its gravest security crisis since the Cold War.


But the focus of the world's concern Friday was eastern Ukraine.


Denis Pushilin, head of the self-proclaimed “Donetsk People’s Republic,” announced the evacuation in a video posted on social media. He claimed without evidence that Kyiv was planning its own military assault on the region in the country’s east where the Moscow-supported separatists have been fighting government forces since 2014. Leonid Pasechnik, leader of the neighboring self-proclaimed “Luhansk People’s Republic,” gave a similar order.

MORE Russian-backed separatists announce civilian evacuation from eastern Ukraine as escalation stokes invasion fears

[NamPikToot]

First they dope a 15 year old girl and now they humiliate her. Some things never change.

Wrong thread but yes. I watched that, she's nothing more than a medal, when that medal doesn't arrive she's yesterdays news. The trouble is the IOC are complicit in all this, they allowed her to compete.

[NamPikToot]

^ Part of the predicted and predictable "False Flag" gambit

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If the contact line in a civil war gets hot , that doesn't mean Russia invaded.

Russia is supporting one side in the civil war. The US is supporting the other side of the civil war. The difference is , it's all on Slavic lands. And the US is about as Slavic as Russians are English.

[helge]

The US is supporting the other side of the civil war.

I hear that the facist Asov battalion is driving canadian Spartans

[NamPikToot]

The difference is

Russia annexed part of a country

[misskit]

UK embassy relocates from Ukraine’s capital as evacuation order fuels Russian invasion fears



The British embassy in Kiev has been “temporarily” relocated as fears of a Russian invasion of Ukraine spiralled on Friday.


The Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office (FCDO) has announced that UK officials will “temporarily” relocate from the Ukraine capital to Lviv in the west of the country.


The move came after Moscow-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine announced an evacuation of their breakaway region’s residents to Russia.


The evacuation order came as a Western source stressed the crisis had entered its most dangerous phase.


With up to 190,000 Russian military personnel surrounding Ukraine, the source added that an attack could be launched at any time, with no notice and at significant scale, though an eleventh-hour diplomatic solution was still possible.

MORE UK embassy relocates from Kiev as Russian invasion fears spiral | Evening Standard

[misskit]

Eastern Ukraine Situation ‘Deteriorating,’ Warns Putin

Russian President Vladimir Putin said Friday that the situation in eastern Ukraine was “deteriorating” and called on Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy to launch negotiations with Russian-backed separatists.


The comments came as separatists leaders in the Donbas announced mass evacuations of civilians into Russia on claims that Kyiv was planning an imminent attack.

“All that Kyiv needs to do is sit at the negotiating table with representatives of the Donbas and agree on political, military and economic measures to end the conflict,” Putin said, speaking at a press conference in Moscow alongside Belarusian leader Alexander Lukashenko.


“Unfortunately, right now we see a deterioration of the situation in the Donbas,” he added.


Putin has repeatedly telegraphed that Moscow wants Kyiv to implement the 2015 Minsk agreements, a ceasefire deal that is the only existing framework for ending the war in eastern Ukraine.

Pro-Moscow separatists have controlled the self-proclaimed Luhansk and Donetsk People’s Republics since conflict broke out in the Donbas following Ukraine’s 2014 Maidan revolution, which ousted its pro-Russian president and sparked Moscow’s annexation of Crimea.


Putin has regularly criticized Ukraine’s alignment toward the West since then, repeatedly alleging discrimination toward Russian speakers in Ukraine and criticizing the closure of pro-Russian media outlets. Earlier this week, he claimed that Kyiv was committing “genocide” in the Donbas.


“In general in Ukraine there is a massive violation of human rights. On a legislative level, discrimination towards Russian speakers is being consolidated,” Putin said Friday.


Russia has issued several hundred thousand passports to residents in the breakaway states in recent years.


Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Friday he was not aware of the Donetsk or Luhansk republics’ evacuation plans.

Despite Moscow’s announcements earlier this week that it was drawing down troops around its border with Ukraine, Western leaders say they have seen no proof of any pullback by Russian forces.


The U.S. estimated Friday that Russia has now amassed “between 169,000-190,000 personnel in and near Ukraine” — up from around 100,000 at the end of January.


Washington has repeatedly warned that Russia could stage a “false-flag” operation to use as pretext to invade.

Eastern Ukraine Situation ‘Deteriorating,’ Warns Putin - The Moscow Times