Ukraine war mega thread

[sabang]

French President Emmanuel Macron has said he thinks a deal to avoid war in Ukraine is possible, but that it is legitimate for Russia to raise its own security concerns.

Ahead of a visit to Moscow, Mr Macron called for a "new balance" that would protect European states but also afford Russia respect.

He restated that the sovereignty of Ukraine was not up for discussion.

Russia has massed troops on Ukraines's border but denies planning to invade.

Moscow has made a string of demands, including that the Nato defence alliance rule out Ukraine becoming a member and that it reduce its military presence in eastern Europe.

Western countries have rejected this, instead suggesting other areas of negotiation, for example talks on cutting back nuclear weaponry.

Before leaving Paris, Mr Macron told the Journal du Dimanche newspaper that Russia's objective was "not Ukraine, but a clarification of the rules... with Nato and the EU".

He said his dialogue with President Putin would likely be enough to prevent military conflict breaking out and that he believed Mr Putin would be open to discussing wider issues.

Mr Macron cautioned against expecting Moscow to take "unilateral measures" to de-escalate the situation and said Russia had the right to raise its own concerns.
But he said setting up dialogue with Russia could not "pass through the weakening of any European state".

Deal to avoid war in Ukraine within reach - Macron (msn.com)


Meanwhile, in a Real World- far, far away from the anglo Bloviatesphere.....

[HuangLao]

French President Emmanuel Macron has said he thinks a deal to avoid war in Ukraine is possible, but that it is legitimate for Russia to raise its own security concerns.

Ahead of a visit to Moscow, Mr Macron called for a "new balance" that would protect European states but also afford Russia respect.

He restated that the sovereignty of Ukraine was not up for discussion.

Russia has massed troops on Ukraines's border but denies planning to invade.

Moscow has made a string of demands, including that the Nato defence alliance rule out Ukraine becoming a member and that it reduce its military presence in eastern Europe.

Western countries have rejected this, instead suggesting other areas of negotiation, for example talks on cutting back nuclear weaponry.

Before leaving Paris, Mr Macron told the Journal du Dimanche newspaper that Russia's objective was "not Ukraine, but a clarification of the rules... with Nato and the EU".

He said his dialogue with President Putin would likely be enough to prevent military conflict breaking out and that he believed Mr Putin would be open to discussing wider issues.

Mr Macron cautioned against expecting Moscow to take "unilateral measures" to de-escalate the situation and said Russia had the right to raise its own concerns.
But he said setting up dialogue with Russia could not "pass through the weakening of any European state".

Deal to avoid war in Ukraine within reach - Macron (msn.com)


Meanwhile, in the Real world- far, far away from the anglo Bloviatesphere.....

Not to worry, the Yanks will find another sabre rattling situation that desperately requires their attention.
It's what they live for.....and keeps the population off distracted and dumbed down.

[Backspin]

^ Worth reiterating.

Russia had the right to raise its own concerns.- Macron

If the mainland European powers do not want war, they have to talk some sanity into the Anglo powers. Geopolitcally , the EU is a far more unified unit thanks to Brexit. Build the EU army. Wind down the US role in Europe. They cause nothing but trouble.

[Backspin]

Not to worry, the Yanks will find another sabre rattling situation that desperately requires their attention.
It's what they live for.....and keeps the population off distracted and dumbed down.

Yeah but they sorta made this their centerpiece for now.

From Afghanistan to the war with Russia:

Together with his subordinates, the commander of the 82nd Airborne Division, General Donahue, arrived in Poland. He was the last American soldier to leave Afghanistan in August last year.
telegram Militarist https://twitter.com/vicktop55/status/1490231155047768065/photo/1

[Buckaroo Banzai]

I wonder how the US would react if a neighboring country developed close alliances with started receiving weapons from Russia. Has such thing ever happen?

[sabang]

Cuban missile crisis.

[harrybarracuda]

Cuban missile crisis.

Thank fuck we have sabang to answer such an incredibly difficult question.

[harrybarracuda]

He doesn't even bother to read the articles.

Educating yourself is forbidden in totalitarian and authoritarian states.

[bsnub]

Your post was a fake

Piss off you tedious moron, as usual you contribute nothing of value. A waste of space, nothing more.

[sabang]

Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba has urged people to ignore "apocalyptic predictions" about an imminent Russian invasion, saying his country was strong and had unprecedented international support.

President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said a week ago Ukraine was not a sinking Titanic and accused the US government and media of fuelling panic that weighed on the economy when there were "no tanks in the streets".

"Today, Ukraine has a strong army, unprecedented international support and Ukrainians' faith in their country," Kuleba said in a tweet.

"The enemy should be afraid of us, not us of them."

A day earlier two US officials said that Russia may be ready for a full-scale invasion of Ukraine by mid-February as it had in place about 70 per cent of the combat power it believed it would need and was sending more battalion tactical groups to the border.

White House national security adviser Jake Sullivan said on Sunday Russia could take military action "any day now" but could still opt for diplomacy.

"Different capitals have different scenarios but Ukraine is ready for any development," Kuleba said.

European Union Economic Commissioner Paolo Gentiloni said on Sunday the focus should be on diplomacy.

"We must help the NATO countries bordering Russia and strengthen them also from a military point of view," he said on Italian broadcaster RAI.

"We must also be prepared for economic reactions and sanctions if there is a deterioration."

Russia has massed more than 100,000 troops near the Ukrainian borders, sparkling fears of a planned assault.Â

Russia has said it is not planning an invasion but could take unspecified military action if its security demands are not met.

Those include a promise that NATO will never admit Ukraine, a demand the US and NATO have said is unacceptable.

Ignore apocalyptic predictions: Ukraine | Deniliquin Pastoral Times (denipt.com.au)


Can you take a Hint, amerka?

[Takeovers]

Can you take a Hint, amerka?

Yes. Ukraine needs support to be strong and avoid war.

Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba has urged people to ignore "apocalyptic predictions" about an imminent Russian invasion, saying his country was strong and had unprecedented international support.

[harrybarracuda]

Yes. Ukraine needs support to be strong and avoid war.

Precisely, it's the support that is giving murderous Vlad pause.

[OhOh]

usual you contribute nothing of value

As opposed to you posting lies.

[bsnub]

As opposed to you posting lies.

Care to disprove my comment that Russia has not massed 130,000 troops on the border of Ukraine, you pathetic hypocrite?

Literally everything you post is a lie and no one aside from the other Three Stooges actually reads the propaganda horseshit you post.

Moron.

[OhOh]

Vlad pause

Which "pause" might that be 'arry?

The LORDS troops are in their bases, no shots have been fired into another country, no threats made of any "invasion" to any country.

Your evidence, to substantiated your allegations is, as usual, non-existent. The NaGastani State department's imaginary events are fake, until evidence is delivered.

The LORDS troops hold military manoeuvrers, similar to many countries, either in their own country/international waters, or as invited honoured guests, elsewhere.

Just the opposit actions, such as sending countries some paperwork suggesting improvements to European security, meeting European and american leaders to discuss the unacceptable behaviour as described in various international agreed Treaties and actions adopted and voted for all to abide by at the UNSC.

The sending arms, soldiers and finance to a country constantly firing missiles, bombs and shells at its own citizens are proven NaGastani and European actions. As Ukrainian soldiers, assisted by foreign mercenaries, are doing on a regular basis.

[OhOh]

Care to disprove my comment

You made the allegation, with no primary source you have admitted.

Put up, or leave the table, I believe is the generally accepted action, for one in the position you are now in.

Or stop posting when drunk.

[OhOh]

the other Three Stooges

There are four now, who are they?

[OhOh]

Ukraine needs support to be strong and avoid war.

Ukraine lost one war, signed a document of seize fire and agreed to meet two UNSC resolutions. Of which it has not delivered any, zero, of the agreed actions.

It has been constantly slaughtering its own people, turning off water supplies, destroying schools, hospitals .... turning electricity and gas lines into rubble, blasting/shelling part of Ukraine, where the victorious party continues to live for the past xxx years.

There is no support from both NaGastan and NATO both have announced they will not support Ukraine in a war against Russia. They both however supply illegally, as defined in the UNSC resolutions, arms, soldiers and verbal assurances, which means absolutely nothing, whispers.

Their intentions, NaGastan and NATO, who knows. Why they, NaGastan and NATO, are continuing the facade, who knows. Troubles at home?

Currently, every "announcement" is torn apart, by domestic and foreign agencies, including the "elected", Ukraine leader.

The saner European leaders rush to or talk to Russia to stop this insane problem boiling over.

Why, because Russia is proposing acceptable options, one presumes.

[OhOh]

Has such thing ever happen?

The 1962 removal of NaGastani Nike missiles from Turkey after pressure from a concerned neighbour. JFK was involved, I believe.

"In return, Kennedy committed the United States to never invading Cuba.

Kennedy also secretly promised to withdraw the nuclear-armed missiles that the United States had stationed in Turkey in previous years.

In the following weeks both superpowers began fulfilling their promises, and the crisis was over by late November."

Cuban missile crisis | History, Facts, & Significance | Britannica

[Backspin]

I wonder how the US would react if a neighboring country developed close alliances with started receiving weapons from Russia. Has such thing ever happen?

As has been said, we had the Cuban missile crisis. The US blockaded Cuba with its navy and depth charged a Russian nuclear submarine. The Russian sub had nuclear tipped torpedoes on board. 3 sub commanders had a vote on whether to counter attack the US navy or surface. There was one vote against and the sub surfaced.

Its the exact same dynamic today except worse. The idea of US missiles in Ukraine is unthinkable for Russia.

[harrybarracuda]

Hoohoo seems to have run out of preprinted drivel and is now wittering his own.

[harrybarracuda]

Well buckaroo it seems you filled your net with simpletons there.

Classic!

[HermantheGerman]

Baerbock: Germany 'ready to pay high economic price' for Ukraine peace

For the second time in a month, Germany's Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock visited Kyiv amid tensions with Russia. Diplomatic sources say her meeting with President Zelenskyy has been canceled.
......Baerbock has visited a memorial to those who died during Holodomor, the deadly famine in the Soviet-ruled Ukraine in 1930s.

Baerbock: Germany ′ready to pay high economic price′ for Ukraine peace | News | DW | 07.02.2022




Since 2006, the Holodomor has been recognized by Ukraine and 15 other countries as a genocide of the Ukrainian people carried out by the Soviet government
Holodomor - Wikipedia

[HermantheGerman]

The dictator troops are in their bases, no shots have been fired into another country, no threats made of any "invasion" to any country.

Your evidence, to substantiated your allegations is, as usual, non-existent.

The Russians prepared their invasion of what was then Czechoslovakia in 1968 from the shadow of maneuvers. It happened similarly in 2014 when Crimea was conquered
I just wonder why we don't trust Russia ?

[HuangLao]

The Russians prepared their invasion of what was then Czechoslovakia in 1968 from the shadow of maneuvers. It happened similarly in 2014 when Crimea was conquered
I just wonder why we don't trust Russia ?

We....??