Ukraine war mega thread

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The majority of Americans support diplomacy, not war, with Russia as tensions continue to escalate over Ukraine, a new poll has found.

According to the Data for Progress survey of 1,214 likely US voters, 71 percent of Democrats and 46 percent of Republicans said they want the United States to pursue a diplomatic solution with Russia and avoid the path toward military conflict.

Overall, 58 percent of all respondents "somewhat" or "strongly" support the Biden administration "striking a deal with Russia to avoid war over Ukraine.

"They said the United States should be prepared to make concessions in the effort to de-escalate tensions and avoid war.Anti-war activists rallied outside the White House on Thursday, urging Washington to tone down its belligerent war rhetoric with Russia and give peace and diplomacy a chance. The protesters called on the Biden administration to stop antagonizing Moscow, which they warned could trigger a devastating war with global ramifications.

Majority of Americans want diplomacy, not war, with Russia: Poll

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The majority of Americans support diplomacy, not war, with Russia as tensions continue to escalate over Ukraine, a new poll has found.

According to the Data for Progress survey of 1,214 likely US voters, 71 percent of Democrats and 46 percent of Republicans said they want the United States to pursue a diplomatic solution with Russia and avoid the path toward military conflict.

Overall, 58 percent of all respondents "somewhat" or "strongly" support the Biden administration "striking a deal with Russia to avoid war over Ukraine.

"They said the United States should be prepared to make concessions in the effort to de-escalate tensions and avoid war.Anti-war activists rallied outside the White House on Thursday, urging Washington to tone down its belligerent war rhetoric with Russia and give peace and diplomacy a chance. The protesters called on the Biden administration to stop antagonizing Moscow, which they warned could trigger a devastating war with global ramifications.

Majority of Americans want diplomacy, not war, with Russia: Poll

Well if Iran say it, it must be true.

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Don't these people get a say-

1,214 likely US voters, 71 percent of Democrats and 46 percent of Republicans said they want the United States to pursue a diplomatic solution with Russia

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According to the Data for Progress survey of 1,214 likely US voters, 71 percent of Democrats and 46 percent of Republicans said they want the United States to pursue a diplomatic solution with Russia and avoid the path toward military conflict.

That is exactly what the US is doing, you numpty. It is Putin who is preparing for war.

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Don't these people get a say-

Yes all 1,214 of them that Iran paid to poll, you complete idiot.

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I won't bother posting the whole thing here, because posting dreary shit is more your game.

Most Americans with opinions on Ukraine and Taiwan favor supporting them — even militarily | YouGov

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It is just painful to watch these three lemmings humiliate themselves over and over again with the utter shit they post that they think somehow validates their brainwashed idiocy.

[sabang]

Yes all 1,214 of them that Iran paid to poll, you complete idiot.

Data For Progress


Data for Progress (DFP) is an American left-wingthink tank, polling firm, and political advocacy group. The organization is currently headed by data scientist and activist Sean McElwee, who co-founded the organization in 2018.

Affiliated with the progressive movement, Data for Progress has released reports and conducted polling on policy matters such as proposals for a Green New Deal.^[1] Following the election of Joe Biden as President of the United States, Data for Progress has been described as an influential force among progressives in the Democratic Party.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_for_Progress


Who has just gone and made a complete and utter dufus of themself?

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It is just painful to watch these three lemmings humiliate themselves over and over again with the utter shit they post that they think somehow validates their brainwashed idiocy.

Vladimir Pozner. Used to have a show on MSNBC. 22 minutes in

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John Merchiemer. Professor at university of Chicago

[OhOh]

Russia, China some NATO countries and now India are being targeted by NaGastan and Blighty.

US reminds India it’s showtime


"Pegasus, CAATSA, Nagaland — prime facie, they’ve nothing in common. At least, reading the Indian press, one gets that impression. But it is always important to connect the dots to understand where the trail is leading to. The Biden-Harris Administration is sensing that Modi Govt, a perceived ally, is not to be seen as its war machine revs up in anticipation of a horrific war. Typically, if a country is not with the US, then, it must be against it. But India falls in a category by itself.

The Modi government is going to come under immense pressure in the coming weeks and months from Washington to move into the Western camp on the burning issues of Ukraine and NATO’s further expansion, which would “change the world,” as President Biden framed the paradigm in stark historical terms last week.

To recap, since 2014, the Modi government has gone far beyond any previous Congress-led regimes in taking India to the American stable. It has been a dangerous poker game, in which the ruling elite, weaned on Chanakya, was sure it would ultimately outwit Washington.

It is always a seductive thought that you could cherrypick. But, in a superpower’s orchard? And, more so, from Joe Biden’s kitchen garden? It was sheer naïveté. The contradiction becomes acute, as the present ruling elite also staunchly proclaim their nationalist credo.

Biden has already announced that by April, once he’s finished with Eurasia, he is heading for Asia-Pacific for the next summit of the QUAD, which Japan is hosting! The QUAD is transforming as a vehicle to push the “dual containment” strategy against both China and Russia.

The White House claimed on January 21 that Japanese Prime Minister Kishida pledged to Biden to “continue close coordination with the United States, other Allies and partners, and the international community on taking strong action in response to any attack” by Russia on Ukraine. Japan is not even an Eurasian power, yet it knows what to do as the US’ vassal state.

Against such a complex backdrop, the US state department spokesman Ted price posted a reminder when asked at the press briefing Thursday by one Michel, “Given the unprecedented tension you have with Russia, what impact does India’s decision to buy S-400 from Russia – the supply already began – has on your bilateral ties with India?”
Of course, such questions are never accidental. Price replied: “Well, in many ways this doesn’t change the concerns that we have with the S-400 system. I think it shines a spotlight on the destabilising role that Russia is playing not only in the region, but potentially beyond as well. When it comes to CAATSA sanctions, you’ve heard me say before we haven’t made a determination with regard to this transaction, but it’s something we continue to discuss with the Government of India, given the risk of sanctions for this particular transaction under CAATSA. Whether it is India, whether it is any other country, we continue to urge all countries to avoid major new transactions for Russian weapon systems… I don’t have a timeline to offer, but these are issues that we continue to discuss with our partners in India. Michel.”

Coincidence or not, on the same day as Price spoke, the New York Times’ stunning story on Pegasus appeared. Admittedly, it is not an exclusive story about on India but Prime Minister Modi was singled out as a case study.

Indeed, it pins on PM Modi personally the decision-making on the sale of a package of sophisticated weapons and intelligence gear worth roughly $2 billion — with Pegasus and a missile system as the centrepieces.

Evidently, there has been some media leak with high level political clearance in Washington. The Pegasus story is still playing out in the Supreme Court, so let us leave it at that.

Perhaps, even more damning, from a long-term perspective, would be the Times’ feature on Nagaland titled In India’s Militarized Regions, Calls for Ending Impunity, which, strangely enough, appeared on Saturday.

The Times holds a piercing searchlight held on a dark corner of our country — Indian Army’s alleged atrocities on the Christian population of Nagaland. Of course, within India itself, there is a significant body of responsible opinion — including one former Home Secretary — who would share the estimations in the Times story.

However, the point is something else: On successive days, the Times, a hugely influential opinion maker in the world community, has portrayed Modi’s India as a country without rule of law with a state apparatus that is insensitive, brutal, oppressive.
Taken together with Ned Price’s remarks, Modi Govt has been put on notice. Will it buckle under such pressure? These are times when the moral fibre of the leadership makes all the difference.

The core issue is that an elected government’s primary duty is to safeguard the national interests. In this case, any bandwagoning with the US-led apple cart lurching toward Russia or China is almost certain to meet with a disastrous ending.

Nothing brings this out more vividly than the decision by Polish President Andrzej Duda,
Egyptian President Abdel Fattah Sisi, Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, and UAE Crown Prince Sheikh Mohamed bin Zayed Al Nahyan to attend the opening ceremony of the Beijing Olympics on Feb 4. (Interestingly, they too figure in Times’ Pegasus story!)

All four of them are supposedly Washington’s allies. Yet, they have chosen to mark their distance ostentatiously from the Biden Administration’s ill-fated strategy in Eurasia and Asia-Pacific, which in their reckoning is doomed to unravel with disastrous consequences.

Cracks have appeared within the Western alliance. Major EU allies remain sceptical about the war hysteria against Russia. Only (post-Brexit) Britain, which is raring to go “global”, shows enthusiasm. Simply put, the European allies will now be doubly sceptical about Biden’s incoherent approach toward China.

The Chinese ambassador to Washington Qin Gang has publicly warned, “If the Taiwanese authorities, emboldened by the United States, keep going down the road for independence, it most likely will involve China and the United States, the two big countries, in the military conflict.”

India’s interest lies in navigating its own pathway toward China and Russia, two consequential relationships in its foreign policy. Arguably, the reimposition of the US’ global hegemony will not be in India’s long term interests, which would lie firmly in the emergence of a multipolar world order based on the UN Charter where it is well-placed to fulfil its responsibilities as an independent player with its strategic autonomy intact."

US reminds India it’s showtime - Indian Punchline

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Post #643 should be

HermantheGerman[/U];4360241]OhOh is trapped in a third World country

Not sabang.

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Oh, Oh.

Which fairy tale to believe:

Britain considering major NATO deployment amid Ukraine crisis

Britain considering major NATO deployment amid Ukraine crisis | Reuters

NATO chief says no plans to send combat troops to Ukraine if Russia invades

NATO chief says no plans to send combat troops to Ukraine if Russia invades | Reuters


"A fairy tale is a short story set in a typically magical realm, with human characters as well as otherworldly beings, like witches and wizards. The heroes of these stories often face improbable scenarios against evil villains."

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Yeah but even India hates the chinkies.

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Data For Progress


Data for Progress (DFP) is an American left-wingthink tank,polling firm, and political advocacy group.

You can't fucking read, can you?

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Oh, Oh.

Which fairy tale to believe:

Britain considering major NATO deployment amid Ukraine crisis

Britain considering major NATO deployment amid Ukraine crisis | Reuters

NATO chief says no plans to send combat troops to Ukraine if Russia invades

NATO chief says no plans to send combat troops to Ukraine if Russia invades | Reuters

Hoohoo you retard, both the UK and NATO are saying they will deploy troops to NATO countries to stop Vlad getting any more ideas - and not to Ukraine.

Are you and sabang having a contest to see who is the biggest fucking thicko?

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Possibly ....

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Hoohoo you retard, both the UK and NATO are saying they will deploy troops to NATO countries to stop Vlad getting any more ideas - and not to Ukraine.

Are you and sabang having a contest to see who is the biggest fucking thicko?

Fucking moron. NATO has had war dances (with nice peaceful names such as Saber Strike) in NATO countries before there ever was a Ukraine crisis. So wtf are you even saying ?

Saber Strike is an annual international exercise held since 2010 by the United States Army Europe (USAREUR) focused on the Baltic States. The exercise spans multiple locations in Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia and involves approximately 2,000 troops from 14 countries.


U.S. EMEDS tent deployment (Langley)


The exercise trains participants on command and control as well as interoperability with regional partners and consists of a brigade-level command post exercise and computer assisted exercise, as well as company-level field and situational training exercises. It also features the integration of United States close air support (CAS) with partner nation ground forces and the demonstration of United States Expeditionary Medical Support (EMEDS) capability.


This theater security cooperation exercise provides commanders and their staffs practical experience in organizing, controlling and supporting coalition operations and allows the United States, NATO and participating nations to demonstrate their own roles in contributing regional and global stability by strengthening international military partnerships, enhancing multinational interoperability and preparing participants for worldwide contingency operations.

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Sorry I forgot skidmark wants to be up there, too.

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A War Only America & Britain Seem to Want - Consortium News

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This guys first name is Seppo https://twitter.com/SeppoNiemi5

[Norton]

Calm down bedwetters- the President of Ukraine has decreed it!

As he should. The Ukraine has been at war for 8 years. Where were the "we must save the Ukraine" prophet's of doom then? Same as a year ago when Russia "mobilized" hardly a peep.

The answer as to why now is obvious to anyone with half a brain. The leaders of the 2 biggest NATO members are in deep polical shit at home so have decided to use the tried and proved red herring method. Divert attention away from their inability to solve far more significant issues. Must admit with the help of a compliant media and electorate they are achieving their goal.

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Must admit with the help of a compliant media

Apparently you do not watch Fox News, the number one rated cable news channel in America.

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Apparently you do not watch Fox News, the number one rated cable news channel in America.

No hab nor want.

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This is concerning. It seems the US wants the contact line to get hot, even momentarily, to stop the certification of Nord Stream 2.


“Ukraine’s army has deployed special ops forces to the contact line in Donbass and is conducting recon operations.” - Ivan Filiponenko, a spokesman for the defense ministry of the LPR