Ukraine war mega thread

[panama hat]

This is concerning.

Concerning? Do you know what's concerning?

100.000+ troops with full battle accompaniment gathering at the border. THAT'S concerning.

[bsnub]

Concerning? Do you know what's concerning?

100.000+ troops with full battle accompaniment gathering at the border. THAT'S concerning.

Another day and the Three Stooges continue to make fools of themselves.

[sabang]

The hawkish Nato anglos, the political leadership of the US & UK- and (obviously) their apologists, and the anglo MSM are just being made to look more pigheaded and stupid by the day.

No Russian invasion. Truce holding- no hostilities. Head of German Navy spoke commonsense, had to resign. Even the Clown Prince of Ukraine told you to stop wetting your silly panties. Politicians in France and Germany likewise. 5000 German helmets- a masterstroke. I do not believe you are going to be able to bully Germany out of NS2 anglos, it just plain makes no sense. So how bad you gonna sulk then?

[OhOh]

three lemmings humiliate themselves over and over again

So true, but to name your three, Biden, Blinken and Nuland, is way, way short.

Why stop there? They are not the only NaGastani "Marching Morons":

Exposing themselves as "L. trimucronatus" day after day ....

[bsnub]

So true, but to name your three, Biden, Blinken and Nuland, is way, way short.

The Three Stooges are you, backspit and sabang. Regurgitating propaganda from various state sponsored mouthpieces. Also called shilling, and I am not talking about the coin.

[harrybarracuda]

As he should. The Ukraine has been at war for 8 years. Where were the "we must save the Ukraine" prophet's of doom then?

At a wild guess, not too concerned because there weren't 100,000+ Russian troops massed on the border?

[sabang]

I think you might have to invade Ukraine before Russia does America- and unseat this President Zelensky. He's telling you to shut the fuck up and stop panicking.

[NamPikToot]

Can't you keep the bullshit pingpong to the mega thread?

An article on the Beeb, There are a lot of ordinary Ukrainians caught up in this near the front line and have been living in fear for the past 8 years - its difficult to imagine living with the threat of invasion over that time and the fear must have ratcheted up terribly over the last 6 months. Some of the trench and kitchen pics remind me of the early Trench days in WWI before it tunried into a meat grinder and lets hope that doesn't happen.

In eastern Ukraine, war-weary soldiers and civilians await Russia's next move


Maria is stationed on Ukraine's eastern front line. "We are standing our ground," she said

The front lines of Eastern Ukraine are snow-laden and the big guns are largely silent. But snipers are bedded into this winter white wasteland. Ukrainian troops who forget to stay low in their World War One-style trenches risk a bullet to the head.

The conflict here has been frozen in place since 2014, when separatists, backed by Moscow, seized parts of the Donbas region. At least 13,000 people have been killed, both combatants and civilians. Now Western leaders are warning of something much worse - a full-scale Russian invasion of Ukraine. If it comes, the eastern front would be an easy place to start, with the pro-Russian rebels here paving the way.

Maria was trying not to stress about all that. The 26-year-old Ukrainian soldier, talkative and slight, was in her trench, armed with a Kalashnikov and a perfect manicure. She's part of Ukraine's 56th infantry brigade. (The army asked us to stick to her first name, to prevent trolling on social media.)

"I try to avoid politics and not to watch TV, I try not to get too worried," Maria said. "But we are ready. We have had a lot of training. I understand that it won't be like a training exercise, it will be hard for everyone. But our morale is high and we are standing our ground."

Maria has a band of brothers. Two served in Ukraine's national guard. Her youngest brother will soon be heading to the front line, as a tank gunner. Back home her retired parents are caring for her four-year-old son.

"It was very hard to leave him," she said. "But since I was six years old my dream was to join the army. I didn't think that I would end up on the frontline, but I don't regret that I am here." Nearby, one of her brothers in arms chopped wood with an axe. The cold is a constant threat, like the separatists about a kilometre away.

A Ukrainian soldier prepares food in a makeshift kitchen near the front lines

Maria walked through a warren of tunnels to her home away from home, a berth below ground. Brightly coloured children's drawings were stuck to the mud walls. "These come from different schools, as a thank you," she said. "It helps to boost our morale."

Maria's war is about the future of her homeland, but there may be far more at stake than the fate of Ukraine. Russia is drawing battle lines in a new Cold war. At issue now is the future shape of Nato, and the established security order in Europe.

US President Joe Biden has warned of a "distinct possibility" that Russia will invade in February and by doing so "change the world". The UK prime minister, Boris Johnson has invoked the horrors of Chechnya and Bosnia. But the soaring international concern is at odds with what you hear from some Ukrainians.

"I don't believe the Russians will come," said a social worker in the east, who did not want us to use her name. "I believe my eyes and my ears. It's actually quieter here now than last month. This is just an information war." This 'nothing-to-see-here' refrain is echoed regularly by Ukraine's president, Volodymyr Zelensky.

But some here are afraid. "Every time I hear a noise my heart pounds," said Ludmilla Momot, a 64-year-old great grandmother with a gold-tipped front tooth. Momot knows only too well what Moscow and its allies can do. Her home of 30 years, in the village of Nevilske, was destroyed last November by separatist shelling. She returned to Nevilske, now a ghost town, to show us the wreckage.

"This is a wound that will last for the rest of my life," she said through tears, glancing at the gaping hole where her front door used to be. "I had to crawl out over the rubble in my nightgown. My feet were bloody. It is the eighth year of the war, how long can our suffering continue?"

Civilians like Ludmilla Momot have lived with war since 2014. "How long can our suffering continue?" she said
I asked the retired milk maid if there was anything she would like to say to President Putin. "Make peace," she said. "Reach an agreement. You are all adults, educated people. Make peace so that people can live freely, without tears and suffering."

In the modern-day version of war and peace, the Russian leader's end game remains unclear. Has he massed around 100,000 troops along the Ukrainian border to force concessions from NATO - for which read the United States - or to seize another chunk of the country?

One possible scenario is a limited incursion, with forces only sent into Eastern Ukraine. The Kremlin would likely try to present them as "peacekeepers", protecting Russian passport holders. Moscow has been busy issuing hundreds of thousands of passports in separatist held territory.

Ukrainian troops insist that if the Russians come, it won't be as easy as annexing the Crimean peninsula in 2014. "We are better prepared this time," said Alyona, a soldier stationed in the East. "I doubt the Russians will invade. They want to create panic and use it as leverage," she said.

Even if there is no ground invasion - and Moscow insists there won't be - damage has already been done. The international chorus of concern about a possible invasion is destabilising this vast Western-looking nation.

President Putin has already achieved a victory, without firing a shot, by weakening the neighbouring state he covets, and forcing the international community to hang on his every word.

But many Western leaders fear he won't be satisfied with that.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60190249

[Norton]

At a wild guess, not too concerned because there weren't 100,000+ Russian troops massed on the border?

Been there since Apr last year. So why now and not then?

[Norton]

There are a lot of ordinary Ukrainians caught up in this near the front line and have been living in fear for the past 8 years - its difficult to imagine living with the threat of invasion over that time and the fear must have ratcheted up terribly over the last 6 months

I am in no way justifying what the Russians are doing to the Ukraine but again why is this only now become the front page "crisis" of the day?

[Backspin]

In Prague, outside the building of the General Staff of the Czech Army, a demonstration was held against the the Czechoslovakian government supplying ammunition and weapons to Ukraine who are known for targeting civilians in the Donbass region. https://twitter.com/DeanoBeano1/status/1487839601133854721/photo/1

[OhOh]

why is this only now become the front page "crisis" of the day?

To keep the day by day expanding domestic and foreign problems of NaGastan, financial, political, health care, social inequality, declining xxx, out of the headlines.

Quick, look over there at yyy.

[misskit]

Kremlin Freaks at Plan to Seize Russian Oligarchs’ London Properties Over Ukraine


Britain appears to have zeroed in on the Kremlin’s sore point with a potential plan to seize London properties belonging to Russian oligarchs in an attempt to deter President Vladimir Putin from ordering an invasion of Ukraine. Britain’s top diplomat, Foreign Secretary Liz Truss, said Sunday that she intends to introduce new laws this week to punish Russia for massing troops on the Ukrainian border. Truss told Sky News there will be “nowhere to hide for Putin’s oligarchs,” and added that “nothing is off the table” when asked if Britain could seize property. According to The Moscow Times, Putin spokesman Dmitry Peskov described the warning as “extremely alarming” and said it would wreck “investment attractiveness and the United Kingdom’s attractiveness as such.” Peskov said: “It’s not often you see or hear such direct threats to attack a business... [The Kremlin] will proceed from its own interests when formulating retaliatory measures.”


https://www.thedailybeast.com/kremli...=home?ref=home

[NamPikToot]

^ Their accounts need to be frozen now too

[Troy]

Been there since Apr last year. So why now and not then?

Pressure was applied and Russia started to withdraw the troops in the Summer but then they started building them up again in November. The number withdrawn might also have been overestimated back in August. A study carried out in December predicted that Russia would have enough troops and support personnel to launch an attack at the end of January/early February. American intelligence came to the same conclusion and hence the increased tension.

It is a tense situation that isn't helped by the talk of Anglo-American aggression rather than NATO agreement on the best approach to defuse the situation.

I think there is a long term compromise that can be reached over a couple of vodkas...

[Troy]

Czechoslovakian government

You do know there is no Czechoslovakia any longer....you do don't you?

Poor old Skiddy....

[OhOh]

There is an UNSC meeting currently being played out on this subject. 2+ hours so far.

[NamPikToot]

^That Russia and China wanted behind closed doors

[OhOh]

^That Russia and China wanted behind closed doors

There is a scheduled meeting on the situation already schedule in February, thus no closed doors were requested.

The UN need to get competent Russian/English translators, IMHO. As one of the UN's official languages.

Adjourned after 2 hours, with no agreement or vote.

[bsnub]

Ukraine who are known for targeting civilians in the Donbass region.

UN probing alleged killings by CAR forces, Russia mercenaries | United Nations News | Al Jazeera

Russian Airstrikes Kill Civilians, Not ISIS, in Syria | Time

Russians behind the killing of 29 civilians in Ukraine identified | McClatchy Washington Bureau

‘Sent Candy’: Cockpit Tapes Show Russian Pilots Bombing Syrian Civilians - The New York Times

Syrian and Russian Strikes on Civilian Infrastructure | HRW

https://airwars.org/news-and-investi...vilian-deaths/

You fucking muppet.

You do know there is no Czechoslovakia any longer....you do don't you?

Aside from that, it is fucking fake news. Skiddy is an epic level retard.

The Three Stooges have no shame in their idiocy.

[sabang]

Having a nice sulk snubby?

[bsnub]

Having a nice sulk snubby?

Far from it. Just enjoying the fact that you Three Stooges continue to step in your own fecal droppings.



In all honesty, there are two Ukraine threads. This one should be doghoused and most all of, you three, should have your dribble dumped in there so that the rest of us can have a rational discourse about what is really happening on the Ukrainian frontier.

[Norton]

I think there is a long term compromise that can be reached over a couple of vodkas

As do I. Needs to be a bit of compromise on both sides to finally get the Ukranians out of this 8 year war.

[Norton]

In all honesty, there are two Ukraine threads

There is some interesting dribble in both so merge them.

Normally I would have zero interest in this but being a descendant of Ukrainian war refugees, decided to throw in a few bits of dribble.

[sabang]

you Three Stooges continue to step in your own fecal droppings.

I wouldn't describe what passes for my opposition in this thread in those harsh terms GI Joe. Just as long as they listen to Pres Zelensky, shut up and don't panic I suppose we can live with the bedwetters here too.