Ukraine war mega thread

[bsnub]

Snubby, a simple exercise-


Open Google
Type "Alastair Crooke Ukraine: Another Biden Debacle" on your splooge stained keyboard
Press "Enter"
Behold the wondrous world of other websites that have published said article!
Splooge your keyboard, again.

You're welcome.

Once again, I see no websites that have reposted that article. Did you even try to do that yourself?



"Alastair Crooke Ukraine: Another Biden Debacle" - Google-haku

[sabang]

You are kidding me. Do you live in a stalinist society?? Well here are some that show up on my feed (I use Duck Go Go)-

Ukraine: Another Biden Debacle? - TheAltWorld
Search Results - Russia News Now
Ukraine: Another Biden Debacle? - Conservative Choice Campaign
Ukraine: Another Biden Débâcle?


It was only released two days ago. Seriously, what kind if informal censorship might you be under stateside?

[Backspin]

Fark me dead, you are a dense one . . .


Because:



Without legal basis, as opposed to Germany where RT could have taken the ruling to court several times




That's your "hissy-fit"?


It is, isn't it? And who started it? Russia.

You're not clever enough to try and be a 'sabang' . . . you simply look dense

Umm what kind of fucking lying bullshit is this ? RT was on the air in Germany for 8 fucking years. Then when tensions rise , all of a sudden , there's issues with RTs license eh ? Fuck off.

There's no need to ask who started it. Everyone knows. Don't lie to yourself

Pack your bags krauts. You all lost your jobs. And you have less than 24 hours to leave.

[Switch]

Umm what kind of fucking lying bullshit is this ? RT was on the air in Germany for 8 fucking years. Then when tensions rise , all of a sudden , there's issues with RTs license eh ? Fuck off.

There's no need to ask who started it. Everyone knows. Don't lie to yourself

Pack your bags krauts. You all lost your jobs. And you have less than 24 hours to leave.

If you don’t like sanctions, don’t stamp your feet like a naughty child in a supermarket. Bad behaviour, including downright stupidity, will always have consequences. Be sure to let your mate Vlad know, there’s a good chap.

[Backspin]

The krauts are still whinging about DW being kicked out of Russia AFTER Germany kicked RT out. Funniest thing is, the 2 loudest mouth krauts on this forum probably had no idea that German state media could freely broadcast in Russia.

EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen calls the Russian decision to close DW's Moscow bureau "completely unacceptable." https://twitter.com/dw_europe/status...FcROzEXj3JeF4A

Russia's move to close Deutsche Welle's bureau in Moscow came as a "huge shock" to staff there, who have stopped their work after having their credentials revoked. https://twitter.com/dwnews/status/1489645425355157506?s=20&t=NK5rFpC7FcROzEXj3JeF4A

And here is the propaganda line that I predicted yesterday. They would trumpet this as an attack on press freedom in Russia.

German politicians and broadcasters have called the closure of DW's Moscow bureau an unacceptable move and an attack on press freedom. "There is no justification whatsoever for this drastic censorship," said the German Journalists Association chief. https://twitter.com/dwnews/status/14...FcROzEXj3JeF4A

[sabang]

They should sort it out ASAP- German media should be allowed to operate in Russia and vice versa.

[bsnub]

It was only released two days ago. Seriously, what kind if informal censorship might you be under stateside?

Those are all trash propaganda sites.

Conservative Choice Campaign



therussophile.org aka Russia News Now...



Keep digging that hole.

[bsnub]

Anyway, Skidmark is a Dildo. This picture was taken 2019 and Kaljulaid was in Moscow to inaugurate the renovated building of the Estonian embassy in Russia.
Not what you dream it up to be, you stupid drunken idiot.

So he posted a pic up out of context again? He has a history of posting lies and distortions, so no surprise. Nothing he posts is to be considered credible.

I think pop-up and colouring books are about his limit really.

That would be pushing the intellectual boundaries for him.

[Backspin]

So he posted a pic up out of context again? He has a history of posting lies and distortions, so no surprise. Nothing he posts is to be considered credible.



That would be pushing the intellectual boundaries for him.

Nope. Hermanthenazi is wrong. Estonia’s president plays down criticism over Putin meeting | Estonia | The Guardian]

Estonia’s president, Kersti Kaljulaid, has brushed off criticism of her recent visit to Moscow to meet Vladimir Putin, the first meeting between the Russian president and a leader of one of the three Baltic states in nearly a decade.


“Talking to all neighbours is only natural, and it’s a bit unnatural that I have to explain it,” she told the Guardian, in an interview in Tallinn.
Kaljulaid visited Moscow last month to open Estonia’s renovated embassy in the Russian capital, but the centrepiece of her visit was a long meeting and working lunch with Putin in the Kremlin.

[Backspin]

They should sort it out ASAP- German media should be allowed to operate in Russia and vice versa.

The Russian foreign ministry agrees. There was calls from the Russian parliament to ban DW in 2019 but the FM wouldn't allow it. Russia'''s foreign ministry opposes call to ban Deutsche Welle: Ifax | Reuters

But in this case, its been a long time coming already. Germany has been threatening to do this for awhile. I think this is a test case to see what Russia would do if RT gets banned. Its a test case for everyone else like RT America, RT UK ect. This why Russia had to bring the hammer down hard. To show what it will do if RT gets banned anywhere else. Russia hasn't invested that much in RT Germany but it has invested a ton in the other RT's.

YouTube blocked RT DE in December, less than three months after it deleted two other German-language RT channels it accused of breaching its COVID-19 policies.

[HermantheGerman]

....visited Moscow last month to open Estonia’s renovated embassy in the Russian capital, but the centrepiece of her visit was a long meeting and working lunch with Putin in the Kremlin.

Listen Dildo, you did not even read or understand the article.

Posting an article that is over 2 years old to suit your needs Dildo?

Let's read the facts:

-Kersti Kaljulaid’s Moscow visit has provoked flurry of criticism from the other Baltic states
The Lithuanian foreign minister, Linas Linkevičius, said Estonia should have consulted Latvia and Lithuania. “It’s always more effective when we coordinate things and act in a more united way … There will always be attempts to divide us and test the unity of European countries or the Baltic countries,”

“Dialogue has been tried. God knows, Chancellor Merkel alone, I don’t know how many times made efforts to speak with Putin,” the former president of Latvia Vaira Vīķe-Freiberga told the Guardian by telephone from Riga. “He can be quite charming and you can have a nice dialogue with him if he’s in the mood, but it doesn’t lead to anything.”

Kaljulaid said Putin had been polite and respectful, and had not sought to lecture her on any issues relating to Estonia’s Nato commitments or its treatment of the country’s Russian-speaking minority, which in the past have been standard Kremlin talking points. “We both gave each other a respectful hearing,” she said.

However, when asked if the meeting had led to the two leaders finding any new common ground, her answer was succinct: “No”.

Jeezus are you fucking stupid. Anyway thank you for proofing our points that you are an imbecile and Putin can not be trusted. Keep them coming Dildo

[HermantheGerman]

Then when tensions rise , all of a sudden , there's issues with RTs license eh ?

Germany has been threatening to do this for awhile.

Dildo!



Can someone take him of the air



....ahhh sorry, on second thought....he keeps me laughing.

[bsnub]

Posting an article that is over 2 years old to suit your needs Dildo?

Not the first time he has down that! Skiddy is such a clown.

[sabang]

II months this thread has been going. II months of breathless anticipation- "almost war megathread". No war, but lotsa hot air. I think that is what the USA is best at really. Sure beats another losing war.

[sabang]

Ha- I'm hardly going to jump into your grave, after you have so visibly dug it for yourself. The article was authored by Alastair Crooke- ex-MI6 spook and ranking EU Diplomat- and has been published on various websites. Eat it.

Now got anything to say about the article itself, and of the points made? Didn't think so. You never do. Anyone might think you actually have no point, except "Amerrrrka, Fuck Yeah!".

[bsnub]

Now got anything to say about the article itself, and of the points made? Didn't think so.

I don't care who he is, and being an EU diplomat past or present is hardly lending credibility to a source.

You never do. Anyone might think you actually have no point, except "Amerrrrka, Fuck Yeah!".

You are just angry at the fact that I discredit a lot of the sources that you post on here.

[sabang]

How timely- a look at some prominent American sources. But I've been telling ya all along- this thing is being blown out of all proportion.



MintPress Study: NY Times, Washington Post Driving US to War with Russia Over Ukraine



his MintPress study reveals that ninety percent of recent opinion articles in The New York Times, The Washington Post and The Wall Street Journal have taken a hawkish view on the Ukraine conflict written by pundits tied to the national security state promoting NATO as a defender of the free world & describe Putin as Hitler incarnate.Amid tough talk from European and American leaders, a new MintPress study of our nation’s most influential media outlets reveals that it is the press that is driving the charge towards war with Russia over Ukraine. Ninety percent of recent opinion articles in The New York Times, The Washington Post and The Wall Street Journal have taken a hawkish view on conflict, with anti-war voices few and far between. Opinion columns have overwhelmingly expressed support for sending U.S. weapons and troops to the region. Russia has universally been presented as the aggressor in this dispute, with media glossing over NATO’s role in amping tensions while barely mentioning the U.S. collaboration with Neo-Nazi elements within the Ukrainian ruling coalition.

Yet this is far from the first media panic over a supposedly imminent Russian invasion. In fact, warning of a hot war in Europe is a near yearly occurrence at this point. In 2015, outlets such as Reuters and The New York Times claimed that Russia was massing troops and heavy firepower, including tanks, artillery and rocket launchers right on the border, while normally sleepy frontier towns were abuzz with activity.

In 2016 there was an even bigger meltdown, with media across the board predicting that war was around the corner. Indeed, The Guardian reported that Russia would soon have 330,000 soldiers on the border. Yet nothing came to pass and the story was quietly dropped.With the next spring came renewed warnings of conflict. The Wall Street Journal claimed that “tens of thousands” of soldiers were being deployed to the border. The New York Times upped that figure to “as many as 100,000.” A few months later, U.S. News said that thousands of tanks were joining them.

In late 2018, The New York Times and other media outlets were again up in arms over a fresh Russian buildup, this time of 80,000 military units. And in the spring of last year, it was widely reported (for instance, by Reuters and The New York Times) that Russia had amassed armies totaling well over 100,000 units on Ukraine’s border, signaling that war was imminent.

Therefore, there are actually considerably fewer Russian units on Ukraine’s border than there were even 11 months ago, according to Western numbers. Furthermore, they are matched by a force of a quarter-million Ukrainian troops on the other side.

Full Article- https://thealtworld.com/alan_macleod/mintpress-study-ny-times-washington-post-driving-us-to-war-with-russia-over-ukraine

[harrybarracuda]

II months this thread has been going.

So 11 months Putin has been destabilising the region then.

Well spotted.

[harrybarracuda]

I find it amusing that you continue to post all this anti-seppo drivel without once admitting that if Putin pulled his troops back the problem would go away.

But that's because you're too stupid to consider the obvious.

[sabang]

If Putin pulled his troops back, there would ensue a bloodbath in Donbass. That would be the worst thing to do. The ceasefire is holding, and the effective guarantor is Russia. It's the Biden administration and western MSM that are making the fools of themself here.

It will be interesting to see if the peace talks convened by Macron of France lead somewhere- now that the US is conspicuously excluded. Let the yanks continue their media blitz with it's anglo propaganda outlets- nobody who is anybody believes them anyway. Even many western sheeple realise that now.

Underneath it all, ya see-

America couldn’t defend Ukraine even if it wanted to - TheAltWorld

[HermantheGerman]

II months this thread has been going. II months of breathless anticipation- "almost war megathread". No war, but lotsa hot air. I think that is what the USA is best at really. Sure beats another losing war.

The number of people that have been killed is astonishing, considering there is no war.
Ohh yes, the ignorance of some TD posters is amazing.

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The ceasefire is holding

STANYTSIA LUHANSKA, Ukraine—Negotiators from Russia and Ukraine met in Paris last week for eight hours of talks on de-escalating the crisis on their border. Both sides agreed to renew a fragile ceasefire which has officially been in place since 2014.

It didn’t even hold for 24 hours.

Tanya Adamchuk, 15, and her grandmother Tatiana showed The Daily Beast the damage gunfire had caused to the teenager’s bedroom window the following night in their village of Katerynivka, which is right on the front line between Ukraine and the pro-Russia rebel-controlled region of Luhansk. The girl—who said she had stepped out of her bedroom at the time—and her grandmother recalled the sound of machine-gun fire erupting throughout the night.

Tanya’s family knew better than to expect real peace after the renewal of the Normandy truce on Thursday. Despite multiple ceasefires over the years, the gunshots, explosions, and firefights around them have not let up in seven years, ever since Russian-backed separatists took over several towns in the region soon after President Vladimir Putin made a decision to annex Crimea, 400 miles to the south. Hundreds more ceasefire violations have been reported by the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine over the past week.

“In reality, there was no truce—the fighting continued. We heard blasts and machine guns on Sunday and on Monday, even during the day,” Larisa Gritsenko, head of the Ukrainian humanitarian mission Proliska-Zolote, told The Daily Beast.

Now, an already precarious situation may devolve into even more chaos and violence. With Russian troops massing around Ukraine’s borders, Eastern Europe is bracing for a disastrous war, and those living near the front line, or crossing it regularly, are the most vulnerable.

In Stanytsia Luhanska, an urban settlement which sits outside the one-kilometer “gray zone” between the front lines of Eastern Ukraine, hundreds of citizens from the separatist Luhansk region have been flocking in through the only checkpoint that allows entry into Ukraine-controlled territories, either with the intention of moving there permanently, picking up essential supplies, or collecting their pension payments from the Ukrainian government.

Their desperation, spurred by the dire economy of war-torn Luhansk, makes way for a number of illicit businesses run by civilians like Yevgeny Prestinsky, who charges people to drag their heavy belongings or ferry elderly or disabled relatives across the no man’s land to the Ukrainian checkpoint and back.

“Thanks to the hysterical news about Putin’s big war our business is improving. More zombies move to permanently live in Ukraine,” Prestinsky told The Daily Beast. “Their numbers grow. A week ago I helped a family with 14 wheelbarrows of stuff.” According to a Ukrainian military official at the crossing, 2,500 people had crossed by noon on Saturday.

Prestinsky admits that his business exploits people in need, but says there is “no clean job at war.” As he speaks, he watches a young woman in a white down jacket walk her mother through the crossing to the Ukraine-controlled side. “Look at that white walker,” he says. “The mother has just crossed and instead of giving her a cup of tea, the young one takes her mother straight to the bank machine to withdraw her Ukrainian pension!”

A Ukrainian soldier stationed at the checkpoint told The Daily Beast that “Ukraine is open as a May rose,” explaining that all citizens are allowed to cross through and bring back whatever they’d like, “except for weapons, drugs, alcohol, and cigarettes.” But during the pandemic, militia authorities in Luhansk made the decision to limit residents’ travel into Ukraine to only once a month, making it even more difficult for families to get by.

Yulia Shulika, a 53-year-old woman who was crossing back into Luhansk, told The Daily Beast she made “good profit” on her visit to Ukraine-controlled territories, where she managed to pick up some olive oil and a few packs of instant coffee. “It is really miserable in Luhansk, there are piles of garbage everywhere,” she said of the situation on the other side. And now, “Another war. How many wars can one human life take?” Shulika blames neither Vladimir Putin nor Kyiv authorities for her troubles. She says only she is “squeezed between two fires.”

Several blocks in Stanytsia Luhanska have been destroyed in the war, with many citizens traumatized by the violence they’ve endured in the past few months. Yelena Boryshko, a 22-year-old woman who works in forestry, recalled one particularly terrifying night on Dec. 3 when Russia-backed militants fired 122mm and 152mm artillery through the town. “I was standing at a bus stop in tears, too scared to move,” Boryshko told The Daily Beast.

Beyond the violence, Boryshko also struggles to make enough money to put food on the table. “Prostitutes in our town make ten times more than me, but I cannot find that job. I guess I am not attractive enough,” she said.

For the residents of this town, the prospect of a Russian invasion is only the latest addition to a long list of nightmarish grievances. “You remembered this crisis now, because of the war news in headlines,” Yevgeny Kaplin, the founder of the Proliska mission, told The Daily Beast. “But people have actually been dealing with the war all these years, struggling to survive.”

Back at the checkpoint, Prestinsky received another client, an elderly couple whose 45-year-old daughter needed to get a new passport in Ukraine. Turns out, the daughter didn’t have the proper paperwork to pass through. “The war is a bitch,” Prestinsky concluded.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/gunfir...nes-frontlines

[sabang]

In Donetsk, they are terrified of a Ukrainian- not Russian invasion.

First of over 200 bodies being exhumed from Lugansk mass grave.
17 October, 2021

[bsnub]

Underneath it all, ya see-

For once, you post an article that makes sense and was well written. Too bad the author is a convicted pedo who served hard time.

I was in Germany and in the US Army in the nineties. America smashed through Iraq like a piece of paper, and it did so with its full might. It did so with three full armored divisions. That force would decimate Russia today and drive all the way to Moscow. Sadly, all those tanks are in storage, but not mothballed.

America has been counted out before.

[HermantheGerman]

In Donetsk, they are terrified of a Ukrainian- not Russian invasion.

First of over 200 bodies being exhumed from Lugansk mass grave.
17 October, 2021

You lied about being a navy officer Popeye!!!

You are a BULLSHIT ARTIST !!!

Just like your post above