Ukraine war mega thread

[sabang]

Mariupol is fully under Ukrainian control, administered from the steelworks bunker. The oft quoted 'Mayor' and his minions, who haven't actually been there since fleeing to Kiev in February, are keeping us fully informed of the situation- much like President Guaido of Venezuela. The new Council administration with that Donetsk flag aloft is just a Russian scam, and hasn't really been accepted back into the Donetsk republic. Now where is my Pulitzer prize?

[bsnub]

Now where is my Pulitzer prize?

They do not give it to morons so that rules you out.

[mackayae]

Sonja Wigert.

[Backspin]

Florence Gaub , deputy director at the European Union Institute for Security Studies dehumanizes Russians with a racist diatribe on German TV with that freaky German stare in her eyes.

Where have I heard a German speaker label Russians the untermenschen before ?

[Backspin]

Britain trying to drag the US into WW3

[pickel]

This is called arguing in bad faith. Show me the streets that are being named after Nazis in Norway. Show me the Nazi militias that were brought into the military. Show me one national hero who was a Nazi collaborator in Norway.

Ah yes, to be a true Nazi you have to rename the streets.

To be honest socal, you come across as a little, insecure, far right twerp, who's views are probably more aligned with Nazis than the views of most Ukrainians are.

[helge]

Ah yes, to be a true Nazi you have to rename the streets.

Maybe, maybe not

But if you do rename the streets after "nazis", I'd say that there is a fair chance, that you are one yourself.

Or if you issue stamps of nazis......


Only the blind won't see it

[pickel]

Tax payer funding for Nazi radio stations is probably more dangerous than renaming streets though. Right?

[helge]

^There’s a price to pay for playing devils advocate!

There could be.

Also, you don’t get to make the tules up, when someone challenges your assertions.

He didn't challenge shit

He dodges; just like you

And then lies....and need to go golfing

Stick to throwing matches into a box of fireworks and see how it goes. Try not to get too involved.

Threat or advice ?

[pickel]

He didn't challenge shit

He dodges; just like you

And then lies....and need to go golfing

Seriously?

You're stooping to new lows helge.

[helge]

Tax payer funding for Nazi radio stations is probably more dangerous than renaming streets though. Right?

And dodging

Radio Oasen is no longer funded. Hasn't been for 20 years or such.

Their permission to broadcast was remomed several times for ...maybe racist speak or such.


Denmark has tradition for freedom of speech.

You can publish Mein Kampf (i think) or Muhammed Cartoons.

Having freedom of speech doesn't exactly make you the definition of nazis in my opinion.


Nazi parties are of no size or significanse in Denmark

Any nazis with a bit of brain would seek other political parties and work from there.

[helge]

Seriously?

You're stooping to new lows helge.

Yes you lied

And you said you went golfing, didn't you ?

[pickel]

Yes you lied

And you said you went golfing, didn't you ?

I did go. Why do you assume I didn't?

[David48atTD]

Getting back on topic, why is it, do you suppose that Puffy Putin directly ordered the attack on the Mariupol steel works halted, only to have the attack started again, I assume from a different authority?

[OhOh]

Russian Defense Ministry reports drone chemical attack on Russian troops in Ukraine

23 Apr, 18:23

Chief of Russian Radiation, Chemical, and Biological Protection Force Igor Kirillov recalled that today the United States is the only state in world history that has used all three types of weapons of mass destruction

"MOSCOW, April 23. /TASS/.

The Russian Defense Ministry reported a drone attack on the positions of Russian troops in Ukraine using toxic substances, Chief of Russian Radiation, Chemical, and Biological Protection Force Igor Kirillov announced on Saturday.

"On April 21, 2022, an unmanned aerial vehicle dropped onto the position of Russian troops a container with ampoules. They were expected to trigger a chemical reaction that would cause an explosion and fire with the release of toxic substances outside of conventional lists," he said. According to him, the ampoules are currently being analyzed.

Kirillov recalled that today the United States is the only state in world history that has used all three types of weapons of mass destruction.

"In an attempt to discredit the special military operation of the Russian troops, the Kiev regime, at the suggestion of the US administration, is able to implement in scenarios that will lead to the death of tens of thousands of Ukrainian citizens and cause an environmental and humanitarian catastrophe in the near future," he emphasized."

https://tass.com/defense/1442035

[David48atTD]

^ There might be 2, at most 3 other members here who would find that report creditable, reliable and truthfull.

[bsnub]

The mud will certainly hinder trucks and maybe some armoured vehicles but I doubt very much it will stop tanks. Tanks are designed for such terrain. That's why they have tracks and not wheels with tyres.

This could not be farther from reality. Tanks are extremely heavy and tend to sink down in heavy mud, and the tracks just start to dig them deeper. One of the most unpleasant tasks I had to deal with in the army was digging tanks stuck in the mud bogs of Germany out during field exercises, and it happened often. There is a reason that this offensive has not progressed much, and it is due to the fact that it has been raining a lot in eastern Ukraine.

Russian Defense Ministry reports drone chemical attack on Russian troops in Ukraine

[OhOh]

who would find that report creditable

I agree.

The post may or may not be true. No evidence has been delivered, yet. Even if they do, who ill believe it.

But IMHO the accusation has been made, it's a serious accusation warranting a post.

[harrybarracuda]

I agree.

The post may or may not be true. No evidence has been delivered, yet. Even if they do, who ill believe it.

But IMHO the accusation has been made, it's a serious accusation warranting a post.

No it's not, it's just more propaganda bullshit. That's all you ever post, you feeble minded sycophant.

[Troy]

No evidence has been delivered, yet. Even if they do, who ill believe it.

The Russians have been claiming chemical weapons have been used against them since early March. They have still offered no evidence to support such claims and many believe it is simply to give them justification to using similar.

This war has been an abject failure for the Russians.

[bsnub]

They have still offered no evidence to support such claims and many believe it is simply to give them justification to using similar.

Bingo, we have a winner!

This war has been an abject failure for the Russians.

On an epic level, for sure.

[sabang]

The contrast was startling. In New York, António Guterres, the UN secretary general, launched a belated, desperately needed initiative to halt the war in Ukraine. “At this time of great peril and consequence, he [Guterres] would like to discuss urgent steps to bring about peace,” his spokesman said. The UN chief, he revealed, was proposing immediate, in-person talks with Vladimir Putin in Moscow and Volodymyr Zelenskiy in Kyiv.

At roughly the same time as this hopeful development unfolded, the UK’s Boris Johnson, riding a “Partygate” getaway plane to India, was colourfully rubbishing peace efforts. Putin, he claimed, was an untrustworthy reptile. “I really don’t see how the Ukrainians can easily sit down and come to some kind of accommodation. How can you negotiate with a crocodile when it’s got your leg in its jaws?” Johnson asked.

The awful truth is dawning: Putin may win in Ukraine. The result would be catastrophe (msn.com)

The latte' libs at the Grauniad are most upset about this, I assure you. But then again, they always are.

[harrybarracuda]

Getting back on topic, why is it, do you suppose that Puffy Putin directly ordered the attack on the Mariupol steel works halted, only to have the attack started again, I assume from a different authority?

Because he's a lying c u n t?

[misskit]

^^ Does this mean you are now supporting “getting real” and for military support beyond supplies and training from the West, as the author does?


“Sending weapons and best wishes is not enough. Conferring last week, western leaders debated providing security guarantees for Ukraine after the war. All well and good. But this war is happening now. Who will guarantee Ukraine’s survival in the possibly decisive next few weeks? Who, if push comes to shove, will move beyond training missions and provide direct, in-country military support?


Let’s get real. For all its heroism and sacrifice, Ukraine may lose this fight. Dreadful though it sounds, Putin could win. If the west so abandons its principles and values to let that happen, the long-term price, for everyone, will be a whole new world of pain.“


I don’t think the West will let Russia run over Ukraine.

[sabang]

Given the current trajectory of U.S. foreign policy, two options are available for Russia in its Ukraine invasion end-game:

In this world, there are two options with regard to Ukraine. As we know, one option is a negotiated settlement, which will offer Putin an escape, an ugly settlement. Is it within reach? We don’t know; you can only find out by trying and we’re refusing to try. But that’s one option. The other option is to make it explicit and clear to Putin and the small circle of men around him that you have no escape, you’re going to go to a war crimes trial no matter what you do. Boris Johnson just reiterated this: sanctions will go on no matter what you do. What does that mean? It means go ahead and obliterate Ukraine and go on to lay the basis for a terminal war.

Those are the two options: and we’re picking the second and praising ourselves for heroism and doing it: fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian.

The two options: (1) diplomatic engagement, or what Chomsky calls “a negotiated settlement,” “an ugly settlement,” and (2) a final conflict, in which Russia has “no escape” and Putin’s “going to go to a war crimes trial” if Russia loses, which establishes the conditions for a zero-sum outcome: Russia deploys nuclear weapons against the U.S., and the U.S. reciprocates.

U.S. President Biden’s recent actions (e.g., brazenly arming Ukraine’s forces) and Secretary of State Antony Blinken’s statements (e.g., condemning Putin as a war criminal) indicate a preference for option 2. But option 1, Chomsky insists, is far better for humanity’s survival as a species: “[D]iplomatic settlement . . . will give Putin and his narrow circle an escape hatch.”

Not to mention, save us all from nuclear annihilation.

FULL- Chomsky on Ukraine: America is Manufacturing Monsters! | by Shane J. Ralston | Statecraft and Global Affairs | Apr, 2022 | Medium

A very good article, well worth reading in full (100+ IQ assumed).


^ I support Peace, and a negotiated outcome kitty. This has been the case from the beginning, and I make no bones about the fact that I believe this war could and should have been avoided.