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    Very little.

    And the quotes are not irrelevant, they refer to psychopathic views on how to treat all non-Muslims, including Jews, as muttered by Mohammed, reportedly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b
    What has any of that barrage of irrelevant copypasta got to do with your silly claim that the Quran urges Musims to persecute Jews
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    Very little.
    Precisely.

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    Deep,....very deep.

    It still remains that Muslims are encouraged by Mohammed's words and behavior to attack, fight and generally persecute any non-Muslims for no other reason than to promote Islam, and that Jews in particular are to be eliminated before their particular version of a messiah arrives to fight an anti-Christ and establish a short lived age of peace.

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    bENT mushroommania

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
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    What has any of that barrage of irrelevant copypasta got to do with your silly claim that the Quran urges Musims to persecute Jews
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    Very little.
    Precisely.
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    It still remains that Muslims are encouraged by Mohammed's words and behavior to attack, fight and generally persecute any non-Muslims
    No. It remains that you lied and misquoted in order to give some veracity to your bigotry. All that you've shown here, once again, is that you're an ignorant, slimy, dim-witted bigot who's not even capable of putting together a decent lie. As has been shown over and over here you're nothing more than a silly, ignorant little man. You're a fraud and, worst of all, not even a good one.
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    Get lost GOb.

    I've not lied, but made a mistake in referring to the Quran instead of hadith.

    You on the other hand indulge in the worst form of potty-mouthed ad hominem hectoring as soon as you find that you have no reasonable argument to refute the quotes from hadith that demonstrate Islam's murderous, bigotted attitudes to all others.

    You're full of piss, wind and vinegar Gob, a pompous purveyor of piffle and a well known disruptive element and a failure in reasonable discussion or debate.

    Now go find some hadith, sunnah or anything from the Quran and present what you find to refute the quotations I've provided, if you can, which I doubt.

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    Here you are ent. Now go masturbate over it somewhere else.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b
    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    It still remains that Muslims are encouraged by Mohammed's words and behavior to attack, fight and generally persecute any non-Muslims
    No. It remains that you lied and misquoted in order to give some veracity to your bigotry. All that you've shown here, once again, is that you're an ignorant, slimy, dim-witted bigot who's not even capable of putting together a decent lie. As has been shown over and over here you're nothing more than a silly, ignorant little man. You're a fraud and, worst of all, not even a good one.

    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    I've not lied, but made a mistake

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Here you are ent. Now go masturbate over it somewhere else.

    You're the wanker,.... you do it.

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    ^^ As I said, GOb, you have no reasonable argument.

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    I must admit if I had someone sitting up a tower yelling his lungs out through a loudspeaker 5 times a day, I'd be assembling the sniper rifle.

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    You obviously don't live in a Thai village then!

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    Luckily not many Thai villages have mosques and a muezzin bawling his a^se off and disturbing the peace 5 times a day.

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    I admit I cut the speaker cable of the local church once, when I lived in the Phils.
    That gave me one Sunday morning I could sleep in for a change...

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    ^^ Many do, such as Soi Nernplubwan (aka soi muslim) in Pattaya. Many farang live there. But every provincial village in Thailand has a village loudspeaker, and the drone emanating from it in the early morning is very much part of the local character.

    Point being, if you don't like it, don't live there- or move out. I could say the same about church bells.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Luckily not many Thai villages have mosques and a muezzin bawling his a^se off and disturbing the peace 5 times a day.
    No, they have a Kamnan who does it instead. Do you actually have any experience of living in Thailand? Surely every farang who lives here knows what all those speakers are for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    You obviously don't live in a Thai village then!
    I lived in a Thai village next to the district school and they blasted out their speakers early every morning. Then of course the inordinate number of fighting roosters in each house crowing away, followed closely by the unmuffled Kabota powered trucks taking the farm hands to work. Its quieter in Bangkok than a Thai village. I have no intention of living in a Thai village again. I like my peace and quiet. Its bad enough where I am currently living with a murder of Crows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Luckily not many Thai villages have mosques and a muezzin bawling his a^se off and disturbing the peace 5 times a day.
    No, they have a Kamnan who does it instead. Do you actually have any experience of living in Thailand? Surely every farang who lives here knows what all those speakers are for?
    The speakers in our village or even Chiangmai don't bleat out 5 times a day from pre-dawn to near midnight, I might get to hear the village speakers blasting out the news, (the last time requesting info about a lost dog), once a day, if that.....plus a polite request has got the speaker located opposite our house moved way down to the other end of the soi, pointing away from us....where I can hardly hear it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
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    Arabs hating them for no other reason than that they are poor innocent Jews.
    True, as commanded in the Quran.
    Utter rubbish and propaganda.
    I invite you to use The Jewish Virtual Library, as a source you would trust, to provide evidence of your ignorant claim.
    Will this be sufficient or too much propaganda ?

    Muhammad , the revisionists insist, was bent on extirpating the Jews from the very beginning. The Qur’an and other early Islamic sources are packed with anti-Jewish, even anti-Semitic, venom. And, rather than protecting the Jews, Islam persecuted them relentlessly, often as badly as medieval Christendom.

    https://press.princeton.edu/chapters/p10098.pdf

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    <double post, one for each of Herman's brain-cells>

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
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    Arabs hating them for no other reason than that they are poor innocent Jews.
    True, as commanded in the Quran.
    Utter rubbish and propaganda.
    I invite you to use The Jewish Virtual Library, as a source you would trust, to provide evidence of your ignorant claim.
    Will this be sufficient or too much propaganda ?

    Muhammad , the revisionists insist, was bent on extirpating the Jews from the very beginning. The Qur’an and other early Islamic sources are packed with anti-Jewish, even anti-Semitic, venom. And, rather than protecting the Jews, Islam persecuted them relentlessly, often as badly as medieval Christendom.

    https://press.princeton.edu/chapters/p10098.pdf
    FFS, can you not read? Look at what you've posted, read it again, go read the rest of it for the context, go find a dictionary to explain to you what revisionist means and then hang your head in shame at your stupidity, you appalling dimwit!

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    He's one of the revisionists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    By far, the Q'uran tells followers to NOT kill. How on earth did the "Golden Age of Judaism" flourish under Muslim rule if they are ordered to kill Jews?
    MYTH “Jews who lived in Islamic countries were well-treated by the Arabs.”
    FACT
    While Jewish communities in Islamic countries fared better overall than those in Christian lands in Europe, Jews were no strangers to persecution and humiliation among the Arabs. As Princeton University historian Bernard Lewis has written: “The Golden Age of equal rights was a myth, and belief in it was a result, more than a cause, of Jewish sympathy for Islam.”
    Muhammad, the founder of Islam, traveled to Medina in 622 A.D. to attract followers to his new faith. When the Jews of Medina refused to recognize Muhammad as their Prophet, two of the major Jewish tribes were expelled. In 627, Muhammad’s followers killed between 600 and 900 of the men, and divided the surviving Jewish women and children amongst themselves.18
    The Muslim attitude toward Jews is reflected in various verses throughout the Koran, the holy book of the Islamic faith. “They [the Children of Israel] were consigned to humiliation and wretchedness. They brought the wrath of God upon themselves, and this because they used to deny God’s signs and kill His Prophets unjustly and because they disobeyed and were transgressors” (Sura 2:61). According to the Koran, the Jews try to introduce corruption (5:64), have always been disobedient (5:78), and are enemies of Allah, the Prophet and the angels (2:97-98).

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    Bernard Lewis:

    Lewis presents some of his conclusions about Islamic culture, Shari'a law, jihad, and the modern day phenomenon of terrorism in his text, Islam: The Religion and the People.[48] He writes of jihad as a distinct "religious obligation", but suggests that "it is a pity" that people engaging in terrorist activities are not more aware of their own religion:
    Muslim fighters are commanded not to kill women, children, or the aged unless they attack first; not to torture or otherwise ill-treat prisoners; to give fair warning of the opening of hostilities or their resumption after a truce; and to honor agreements. ... At no time did the classical jurists offer any approval or legitimacy to what we nowadays call terrorism. Nor indeed is there any evidence of the use of terrorism as it is practiced nowadays."[49]
    In Lewis' view, the "by now widespread terrorism practice of suicide bombing is a development of the 20th century" with "no antecedents in Islamic history, and no justification in terms of Islamic theology, law, or tradition."[50] He further comments that "the fanatical warrior offering his victims the choice of the Koran or the sword is not only untrue, it is impossible" and that "generally speaking, Muslim tolerance of unbelievers was far better than anything available in Christendom, until the rise of secularism in the 17th century."[51]

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    Don't you just love it when someone hoists themself on their own petard.

    As DrB pointed out, you have totally mistaken the point of the article with a description of the totally discredited Jewish revisionist position. Frankly, I very much doubt you even read the article. So lets actually read it. Some snippets-

    The interfaith utopia was to a certain extent a myth; it ignored, or left unmentioned, the legal inferiority of the Jews and periodic outbursts of violence. Yet, when compared to the gloomier history of Jews in the medieval Ashkenazic world of Northern Europe and late medieval Spain , and the far more frequent and severe persecution in those regions, it contained a very large kernel of truth.

    .... This coexistence is particularly evident in economic life. Jews were not limited to a small range of pursuits isolated from the rest of the population in deplored professions like moneylending, as in Europe. They worked as craftsmen, pharmacists, and physicians; as craftsmen in textiles, in glassmaking, and in jewelry; as retailers in the marketplace specializing in a whole host of products, including foodstuffs; in longdistance commerce, as government functionaries; and in many other walks of life.

    In the Islamic marketplace, there existed a substantial degree of interdenominational cooperation. Jews mixed freely with their Muslim counterparts, even forming partnerships, with a minimum of friction. Jews lent money to Muslims, but the reverse was also true.

    ....For all these reasons, the Jews of Islam had substantial confidence in the dhimma system. If they kept a low profile and paid their annual poll tax, they could expect to be protected and to be free from economic discrimination—not to be forcefully converted to Islam, massacred, or expelled. To be sure, the system occasionally broke down. A ruler, goaded by pious Islamic clerics, might crack down on the dhimmīs for ignoring the regulations of the Pact of ‘Umar. But serious persecutions were exceptional.

    https://press.princeton.edu/chapters/p10098.pdf

    Why you would wish to try and push a bunch of discredited falsehoods to, by some bizarre and nonsensical inference, "justify" the ongoing, brutal and illegal Israeli occupation of Palestine is beyond me Herman.

    But if you must, might I recommend you stick to virulent, right wing Zionist blogs- rather than respected works of scholarship? Otherwise, you will only defeat your own purpose.
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