Thread: Arab social media is full of the filth

Originally Posted by ENT

So which version do you prefer?

This version, says it all:

“So after five days in detention, interrogation by the Israel Security Agency and the prohibition of a meeting with a lawyer, he went home. He actually did light a fire, he burnt garbage on his own premises, 150 meters from his home, 1.5 kilometers from any Jewish town,” Hasson stated.

“Oh, and he also put out the fire,” Hasson added.“

Originally Posted by ENT

So which version do you prefer?

As above, plus the one I added (which you avoided). Both versions virtually the same, and both versions pointing to Israeli persecution of a Palestinian....by the facts presented.

Wow.....

Two Arab arsonists were captured on Tuesday while they were lighting fires next to the Atarot industrial zone in northern Jerusalem.

Border Police officers operating out of a surveillance point spotted the fires and quickly dispatched and guided units to the scene to apprehend the terrorists.

Officers sent on foot to the area saw two Arab teenagers setting tires on fire just outside of Atarot. The pair attempted to flee, but were captured after a brief chase.

The suspects, both 16-year old residents of Jerusalem, were in possession of lighters and papers for kindling.

The two were transferred to the central police station in Jerusalem for interrogation, and are expected to be brought before a judge to have their arrests extended.

More than 2,000 fires ravaged Israel last week and through till Sunday, forcing tens of thousands of Israelis to flee their homes.

Last Thursday the Internal Security Ministry estimated that at least half of the fires were the result of arson and many others were a result of the original fires spreading to other areas due to the winds.

On Sunday, Israeli police said 37 people had been arrested in connection with the fires

Kosher News

Keep up the resistance, boys, way to go! Keep nipping away at those criminal Zionist oppressors.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Keep up the resistance, boys, way to go! Keep nipping away at those criminal Zionist oppressors.

....and get shot.

Yeah, probably. But you have to try. No use being trodden on by the jackboot of the Zionists all your life.

How did this thread end up with the pharohs canaanites phoenicians etc? although one would have to disagree with the Arabic papers slant on the fires. It is tempered with some sympathy for the Palestinian plight on the west bank, Gaza and Indeed Israel itself.
The argument is pointless regarding who was there first. The Jews are as likely to leave Israel/Palestine as are the white Australians who were late comers to Australia by about 40,000 years.
The facts are the Israelis are in violation of a number of UN resolutions and have no right to building settlements on occupied land. The Israelis have no intention of giving up occupied Arab east Jerusalem and the Arabs will not give it away in any settlement.
How many people would agree to having 100% of their land occupied and a peace negotiation where only 95% would be given back?
Until sensible people are willing to do the right thing we will still be talking about this in another 50 years and the misery and suffering will go on.

Why would Israel ever give up the West Bank?
There's about as much chance of that happening as of the Arabs giving up on their ambition of driving all Israelis into the sea.

The land that's now Israel was won through wars instigated by Arab Muslims.
Israel fought back and won. Much of the conquered territory was handed back to Egypt, the prime instigator of the 1967 war.
Does it not make sense that Israel keeps the strategically important Golan and West Bank to ensure its security?



Compare that map to the ones below.

There was almost zero chance of Israel enjoying any measure of security if the 1947 UN allocated borders were adhered to by Israel, as demonstrated by the Arab instigated 1948 war, which saw Israel's borders extended to a safer demarcation line.

After that, Jordan, which initially offered sanctuary to all the 1947-8 displaced Arabs, invaded and occupied the West Bank then annexed it, (1950) against international law.

That land was then taken off Jordan by Israel in 1967, three years after Arafat the Egyptian founded the PLO, with an eye to unseat the Hashemite rule of Jordan and replace it with Fatah, his own organization, riding on the back of the myth of the exclusively Arab Palestinian.

That plan of Arafat's backfired after a civil war where thousands of Palestinian Arabs and Jordanians died in battles culminating in 1971 with Jordan expelling thousands more Palestinians along with Arafat who all ended up in Lebanon to create more trouble.

Jordan controlled the "West Bank" from 1948 - 1967...uhh...uhh...but you want to call if Pale-stein...why not Philly-stine. For twenty years it was under Jordanian control...and nobody called it Palestine because it was called the West Bank , governed by Jordan.

In the 1967 War Israeli forces overran Jordanian forces up to the River Jordan...a big ooops, eh.
The West Bank came under Israeli control.

I do agree that Israeli settlement expansion in the West Bank is disheartening...but that is the nature of hardened Israeli outlook after several conflicts. Some might say that the Israelis have large cojones doing what they've done...and I would agree.

Possibly they look at how the world backpedals and pussyfoots on other territorial grabs whether it was Tibet or currently is Crimea.

Agreed they've got balls for a country of 8 million. The elected leadership assuredly wants to make sure it remains a Jewish state...same ambition as the other nations wishing to remain white-Anglo , Islamic or ethnic-Chinese et al. Go figure.
Many here have called Thailand racist. Funny that

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

Agreed they've got balls for a country of 8 million.

Easy to have such 'cojones' when you are nuclear armed, your Defence budget is subsidised by the US to the tune of $3.2bn per year (and Uncle Sam is ready to step in in your favor at any time, as has happened several times), plus you possess a modern air force well over double the size of the UK.

But it does not change the situation one iota- Israel is illegally, and brutally, occupying Palestine and has been doing so for fifty years now- accompanied by creeping, and entirely deliberate, colonisation. But the Palestinian's aren't going anywhere- indeed their numbers continue to grow, as does the rest of the worlds population. They just endure, suffer, remain, and breed- oh, and in many cases Resist. That will never end while the Occupation continues. Every year further delayed just makes a one state solution more inevitable. This is ironic because according to all Polls on the matter that is not what the Israeli's (or Jews) want- albeit by a decreasing majority, but they are effectively being railroaded into it by their governments policies and actions. Schmucks.

I mean, I've never thought of you as an eejut PC- surely you don't believe that 5.5mm Pali's are just gonna ship out, or be 'driven into the sea'.

No I won't spend an inordinate amount of time on this debate line.

Polls mean shyte...just ask Hillary and the Democranks. Even the largest opinion poll taken includes less than 3% of the registered voters.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tell me again when any US forces were ever involved in the defense of Israel. Providing missile defense equipment to Israel manned by IDF personnel during the Iraq conflict was to stop Israel from taking out Saddam's missile capabilities once Israel was fired a upon.

What is England's defense for the illegal immigration of 'America', Canada, Australia or New Zealand...along with illegal bondage, suffering, death and traffiking of millions of Afrikans into the Americas ?
When will the land be returned in all cases to it's rightful inhabitants? Simply it never will.

The world keeps spinning. We keep going around in the same circle on this debate. Something will change one way...one day...with or without either of us.

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

When will the land be returned in all cases to it's rightful inhabitants? Simply it never will.

In all of these cases, the 'rightful inhabitants', or indigenous people, are full citizens of the country they inhabit- with the Vote, Freedom of movement, Freedom of abode, etc etc. What of the Palestinians? The last country to give way on this score was apartheid Sth Africa, The next will be Israel.

Originally Posted by sabang

In all of these cases, the 'rightful inhabitants', or indigenous people, are full citizens of the country they inhabit- with the Vote, Freedom of movement, Freedom of abode, etc etc. What of the Palestinians? The last country to give way on this score was apartheid Sth Africa, The next will be Israel.

Sounds totally reasonable to me. Israel will eventually cede land, prolly including the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem to form a Palestinian homeland.

I'm not so sure really- I mean actions speak louder than words, and the actions on the ground there suggest to me that the Israeli government has no intention of withdrawing, and is effectively creating the facts on the ground in Palestine. This over the heads of the Israeli people & Jewish diaspora- I mean how democratic, brutally and illegally occupying and colonising another peoples land, while hoodwinking your own people!

But frankly it doesn't matter to me, one state or two. What matters to me is the granting of basic human rights and freedoms to the oppressed Palestinians- the conflict will only ever continue until that happens, and in much of the world Israel will remain a pariah state. Resentment, even hatred, of Israel is only increasing worldwide- much as happened in the latter years of the SA apartheid regime, after the world took a firm stand against it.

Originally Posted by sabang

But frankly it doesn't matter to me, one state or two. What matters to me is the granting of basic human rights and freedoms to the oppressed Palestinians- the conflict will only ever continue until that happens, and in much of the world Israel will remain a pariah state. Resentment, even hatred, of Israel is only increasing worldwide- much as happened in the latter years of the SA apartheid regime, after the world took a firm stand against it.

I feel exactly the same way. But hatred of Israel is not increasing worldwide and, even if it was, that is not enough to destroy Israel.

I think you've got to go to the loony edges of the internet to talk about either destroying Israel, or the genocide/ ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians.

Originally Posted by wjblaney

But hatred of Israel is not increasing worldwide

H'mmm,
'Why do they hate us?' -- Israeli version
The Growing Cancer of Israel Hatred in Britain | Observer
Hatred of Israel “is increasing”
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20...is-increasing/

Jewish people can yell 'antisemitism' all they want, but as long as the Occupation continues they are pissing on the wrong tree.

It’s the Colonialism They Hate, Not Jews
Most Europeans do not doubt the Jews’ right to an independent state, but they vehemently object to a reality in which we are keeping masses of people under occupation and consciously trampling their basic rights.
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.616546

Originally Posted by sabang

What matters to me is the granting of basic human rights and freedoms to the oppressed Palestinians- the conflict will only ever continue until that happens

Today, 21% of Israel's population is Arab, most of them Suni Muslim and all have full Israeli citizenship, voting rights, access to medical aid and education.

Those in the Golan have been offered the same, but most have rejected those rights, preferring residency rights only, with rights to municipal voting and services. East Jerusalem Arabs who hold ID cards and are permanent residents of Israel are increasingly taking up Israeli citizenship.

West Bank Arabs are also applying for Israeli citizenship, on the grounds of having family in Israel.
Gaza citizens have the same rights to apply.

As both West Bank and Gaza were/are supposedly under the Palestinian Authority which depends primarily on Israel for food, supplies etc to be distributed to its residents, there's no real incentive for Arabs living there to do much other than eat sleep breed and throw rocks and fire bombs or try and stab another Israeli.

Most of the foreign funds pouring into Gaza and West Bank are just soaked up by Hamas leadership and Abass' PA leadership to build themselves opulent homes, new offices, arm their thugs and do very little else to improve the infrastructure.

42% of Gaza citizens are unemployed, Gaza's youth are at 58% unemployed and 80% of Gaza citizens receive foreign aid. While West Bank unemployment rate is slightly below Gaza's which is the worlds highest unemployment rate.

Their economy is totally stagnant, as they concentrate on making war while their leaders are busy stealing from them.

C'est la vie.

A one statesolution is really the only humane method of handling the situation.

Originally Posted by sabang

Jewish people can yell 'antisemitism' all they want, but as long as the Occupation continues they are pissing on the wrong tree.

Anti-Semitism existed long before the creation of Israel.

It was the spur to Zionism.

Even if Israel ceased to exist, anti-Semitism will continue, driven by Xtian bias and Muslim hatred.

Yes- look at the bottom link above, from the Israeli newspaper Haaretz. I do not deny that anti-semitism exists (djoo's secretly rule the World right!), but being opposed to the ongoing and illegal occupation of Palestine has nothing to do with anti-semitism. If so, you are calling most of the Jewish diaspora anti-semitic. Do anti-semites despise the Occupation too? Of course. Did some right wing bigots vote for drumpf and brexit- of course. Does that make most of them who voted that way so- of course not.