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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
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    a Jewish minority living in Palestine
    Yes, we know that. Note, "minority".


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    The majority of Jews in Palestine today were either born there, or descended from Jews who migrated from mainly Europe, America and several Muslim countries.
    Yes, we know that too. And as to my question, how many of them can say their ancestors of the last ten or twenty generations were from there?
    We know that too...round about...very very few.
    And thus, the vast majority of Israeli Jews are immigrants or descendants of recent (3 generations, tops) immigrants.

    You don't like it when 3rd, 2nd or 1st generation immigrants in Britain take over an area and make demands upon the original inhabitants...
    Daft analogy.

    Jews (used in the broad sense of the word) were and are the original inhabitants of Palestine, as were several other ethnic groups. Arabs lived in Arabia so get over it.
    Arab Jews were dominant in Mecca at the time of Mohamed.

    The fact that Jewish numbers in Palestine diminished massively over 2,000 years doesn't mean that they weren't there, all the time, until now.

    Muslim Arabs, migrated en masse to Palestine during the British mandate period.
    They also now constitute roughly 20% of Israel's population, with freedom to worship, work, study and get conscripted into the IDF.
    Yeah yeah yeah.....so how many generations do we have to go back?
    By your reasoning, since Pacific Islanders can trace their DNA back to Taiwan, I should be able to lay claim to a plot of land there because my great great x 30 grandfather came from there.
    It's a ridiculous argument that Jews from Europe named Mueller and Goldstein have a claim to Israel.
    But Israel is established, and that won't change. So we accept that. But for them (the immigrants and descendants or recent immigrants) to now start saying that the Muslims (and now their descendants) who were there when they arrived from Europe (and are still arriving) must curtail their religious customs because the newest arrivals outnumber them is outrageous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam
    And thus, the vast majority of Israeli Jews are immigrants or descendants of recent (3 generations, tops) immigrants.
    Not to mention those who hold Israeli citizenship but have never lived there...

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    ^^ You already backed it up perfectly lad.

    Well done and thanks.


    The muzzies can easily have it blasted to them on their phone etc.

    No need to bother the 80%+ of the population that it isn't relevant to.

    Just typical moaning and whinging from the type of people that would moan and whinge about anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luigi
    ^^ You already backed it up perfectly lad.

    Well done and thanks.
    Yet another cogent argument.

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    What exactly is the point of this thread?

    We already know the Arabs hate the Joos.

    So they post it on fucking Facebook.

    Whoop de fucking doooo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    What exactly is the point of this thread?

    We already know the Arabs hate the Joos.

    So they post it on fucking Facebook.

    Whoop de fucking doooo.
    Yes and it's regurgitated as Propaganda to show how once again the Jews are a persecuted people.
    Arabs hating them for no other reason than that they are poor innocent Jews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wasabi View Post

    ....once again the Jews are a persecuted people.
    Arabs hating them for no other reason than that they are poor innocent Jews.
    True, as commanded in the Quran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
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    ....once again the Jews are a persecuted people.
    Arabs hating them for no other reason than that they are poor innocent Jews.
    True, as commanded in the Quran.
    Yeah but they hate everybody supposedly.

    Although obviously that's bollocks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
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    ....once again the Jews are a persecuted people.
    Arabs hating them for no other reason than that they are poor innocent Jews.
    True, as commanded in the Quran.
    And I guess you'd show love and welcome to a bunch of immigrants that bulldoze your village and claim your orchards.

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    So, lets summarise:

    Semites are all migrants to the area, but only the present Jews have a claim to the land.

    Right, ENT?

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    Nope.

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    When Australia has much bigger bush fires, the worlds media don't plug into Zionist propaganda and turn it into.
    Terror attack by arson against Australia's gods chosen race by addiginous terrorists starting bush fires.
    War on terror.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    What exactly is the point of this thread?
    To demonstrate that ADD is not just a childhood affliction.

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    Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    Arabs hating them for no other reason than that they are poor innocent Jews.
    True, as commanded in the Quran.
    Utter rubbish and propaganda.
    I invite you to use The Jewish Virtual Library, as a source you would trust, to provide evidence of your ignorant claim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    Arabs hating them for no other reason than that they are poor innocent Jews.
    True, as commanded in the Quran.
    Utter rubbish and propaganda.
    I invite you to use The Jewish Virtual Library, as a source you would trust, to provide evidence of your ignorant claim.
    Why not the Quran?

    The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (the Boxthorn tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews. (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).Sahih Muslim, 41:6985, see also Sahih Muslim, 41:6981, Sahih Muslim, 41:6982, Sahih Muslim, 41:6983, Sahih Muslim, 41:6984, Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:56:791,(Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:52:177)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    Arabs hating them for no other reason than that they are poor innocent Jews.
    True, as commanded in the Quran.
    Utter rubbish and propaganda.
    I invite you to use The Jewish Virtual Library, as a source you would trust, to provide evidence of your ignorant claim.
    Why not the Quran?

    The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (the Boxthorn tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews. (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).Sahih Muslim, 41:6985, see also Sahih Muslim, 41:6981, Sahih Muslim, 41:6982, Sahih Muslim, 41:6983, Sahih Muslim, 41:6984, Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:56:791,(Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:52:177)
    None of those quotes are from the Quran
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    Arabs hating them for no other reason than that they are poor innocent Jews.
    True, as commanded in the Quran.
    Utter rubbish and propaganda.
    I invite you to use The Jewish Virtual Library, as a source you would trust, to provide evidence of your ignorant claim.
    Will this be sufficient or too much propaganda ?

    Muhammad , the revisionists insist, was bent on extirpating the Jews from the very beginning. The Qur’an and other early Islamic sources are packed with anti-Jewish, even anti-Semitic, venom. And, rather than protecting the Jews, Islam persecuted them relentlessly, often as badly as medieval Christendom.

    https://press.princeton.edu/chapters/p10098.pdf

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    <double post, one for each of Herman's brain-cells>

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    Arabs hating them for no other reason than that they are poor innocent Jews.
    True, as commanded in the Quran.
    Utter rubbish and propaganda.
    I invite you to use The Jewish Virtual Library, as a source you would trust, to provide evidence of your ignorant claim.
    Will this be sufficient or too much propaganda ?

    Muhammad , the revisionists insist, was bent on extirpating the Jews from the very beginning. The Qur’an and other early Islamic sources are packed with anti-Jewish, even anti-Semitic, venom. And, rather than protecting the Jews, Islam persecuted them relentlessly, often as badly as medieval Christendom.

    https://press.princeton.edu/chapters/p10098.pdf
    FFS, can you not read? Look at what you've posted, read it again, go read the rest of it for the context, go find a dictionary to explain to you what revisionist means and then hang your head in shame at your stupidity, you appalling dimwit!

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    Haha, that old one. Completely out of context. I bet you didn't get that from the Virtual Jewish Library....they have integrity.

    It is not a passage commanding the killing of Jews but a story of what an angel heard from Allah, and was at a time of war.
    Context, ENT, context.
    By far, the Q'uran tells followers to NOT kill. How on earth did the "Golden Age of Judaism" flourish under Muslim rule if they are ordered to kill Jews?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    By far, the Q'uran tells followers to NOT kill. How on earth did the "Golden Age of Judaism" flourish under Muslim rule if they are ordered to kill Jews?
    MYTH “Jews who lived in Islamic countries were well-treated by the Arabs.”
    FACT
    While Jewish communities in Islamic countries fared better overall than those in Christian lands in Europe, Jews were no strangers to persecution and humiliation among the Arabs. As Princeton University historian Bernard Lewis has written: “The Golden Age of equal rights was a myth, and belief in it was a result, more than a cause, of Jewish sympathy for Islam.”
    Muhammad, the founder of Islam, traveled to Medina in 622 A.D. to attract followers to his new faith. When the Jews of Medina refused to recognize Muhammad as their Prophet, two of the major Jewish tribes were expelled. In 627, Muhammad’s followers killed between 600 and 900 of the men, and divided the surviving Jewish women and children amongst themselves.18
    The Muslim attitude toward Jews is reflected in various verses throughout the Koran, the holy book of the Islamic faith. “They [the Children of Israel] were consigned to humiliation and wretchedness. They brought the wrath of God upon themselves, and this because they used to deny God’s signs and kill His Prophets unjustly and because they disobeyed and were transgressors” (Sura 2:61). According to the Koran, the Jews try to introduce corruption (5:64), have always been disobedient (5:78), and are enemies of Allah, the Prophet and the angels (2:97-98).

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    ^That too.

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    ^ and ^^ So? It's a hadith, too bad.

    Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

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    Again, context, ENT, context.
    You're pushing shit uphill.
    And where is the mention of Jews here?

    And again, I suggest you use a reliable source for your information, and the Jewish Virtual Library is the one, not your Islamaphobic redneck sources.

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