Thread: Arab social media is full of the filth

Originally Posted by ENT

Don't be daft. Israeli self defence against ongoing Arab attacks on its civilian or government forces in any form is a human right.

As is Palestinian defiance against the oppressive, criminal occupation by Israel.

Originally Posted by wjblaney

I haven't heard of that suggestion before bc it's not the United Nations stand.

Because everyone knows that a one-state solution would be an end to the Jewish State unless Israel institutes blatant apartheid, which is unacceptable by most reasonable people.
And everyone knows that Israel will not allow a Muslim majority.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Because everyone knows that a one-state solution would be an end to the Jewish State unless Israel institutes blatant apartheid, which is unacceptable by most reasonable people.
And everyone knows that Israel will not allow a Muslim majority.

Yeah it sure is an ideal solution though. I like it a lot but you're right. The Jews want a homeland. If the majority of the population was Muslim that wouldn't work for them. But I'd like to see a poll of how many Jews in Israel would consider being a minority. I believe the industrious side of their nature would see it as heaven sent.

^ Have you ever read the original Likud Party Manifesto? The one that pledged to have a Jewish state "from the sea to the river" (presumably the River Jordan we are led to believe)
In fact, earlier Zionist documents pledged the same thing, but meant the Euphrates, so "the river" in Likud's manifesto was possibly also the Euphrates, but like their nuclear arsenal, they never admit to such things.

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by wjblaney

The only justification I need is the Jewish Diaspora followed by centuries upon centuries of worldwide pogroms and to top it off...the Holocaust.

So that justifies them acting the same way to others?

Don't be daft. Israeli self defence against ongoing Arab attacks on its civilian or government forces in any form is a human right.

Once Arabs and Muslims recognize that and cease their attempts to annihilate Jews and Israel, then negotiate realistically for a workable solution, as in a one state Israel, peace may ensue.

Until then, the killings will continue.

Have you ever looked at the Human Rights Charter?

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Originally Posted by wjblaney

I haven't heard of that suggestion before bc it's not the United Nations stand.

Because everyone knows that a one-state solution would be an end to the Jewish State unless Israel institutes blatant apartheid, which is unacceptable by most reasonable people.
And everyone knows that Israel will not allow a Muslim majority.

That is why a one-state solution would definitely not work for Israel to remain a Jewish Homeland. Once the Muslims have eclipsed the population balance it's simply a game-ender for a Jewish State.

The current Israeli leadership bases its continued occupation and settlement expansion strictly on a defensive criteria understandig that with todays missile technolgy Israel's narrow border keeps them on alert staus 24-7-365.
Sadly this has been a significant defensive basis of the hard-liners since Israel was recognized as a sovereign state by the UN in 68 years ago.
With each ensuing war it sounded louder.
If Israel makes a mistake on any of their borders they simply become toast...a lesson well learned 75 years ago in the ovens.

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

Once the Muslims have eclipsed the population balance

The infamous 'demographic time bomb'. A word on this- it has proven to largely be a fallacy. In fact, birth rates in the modern era for Israeli Jews and Palestinians are much the same. And then you've got Jewish immigration.

There is however a 'demographic time bomb' of a very different nature, which comes down to who is doing the breeding. Secular, if you like 'modern' Jews, among which demographic you can count most of the educated and wealthy, do not breed very much- they are being rampantly outbred by their fundamentalist counterparts, especially ultra-religious Jews. So you have a generation emerging increasingly skewed towards those who will not serve in the Army on religious grounds, and very often do not want to work. Rather, they feel it their duty to breed, and study their scripture- and are quite happy to live off the resources of the state.

Some think it poses a greater threat to 'Israel'- however you wish to define it- than the Palestinians.

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

Once the Muslims have eclipsed the population balance

The infamous 'demographic time bomb'. A word on this- it has proven to largely be a fallacy. In fact, birth rates in the modern era for Israeli Jews and Palestinians are much the same. And then you've got Jewish immigration.

There is however a 'demographic time bomb' of a very different nature, which comes down to who is doing the breeding. Secular, if you like 'modern' Jews, among which demographic you can count most of the educated and wealthy, do not breed very much- they are being rampantly outbred by their fundamentalist counterparts, especially ultra-religious Jews. So you have a generation emerging increasingly skewed towards those who will not serve in the Army on religious grounds, and very often do not want to work. Rather, they feel it their duty to breed, and study their scripture- and are quite happy to live off the resources of the state.

Some think it poses a greater threat to 'Israel'- however you wish to define it- than the Palestinians.

Do you have links to back this up?

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

The current Israeli leadership bases its continued occupation and settlement expansion strictly on a defensive criteria understandig that with todays missile technolgy Israel's narrow border keeps them on alert staus 24-7-365.

I need to defend myself, so I'll just steal your land to make my borders stronger.
I want Golan, to protect myself, so now it's mine.

What would you say if Lebanon captured the Golan and proclaimed it needs it to protect itself?
From your reasoning (and other Israel apologists), if Lebanon did capture the Heights, it would be fair go to them.
Is it all about might is right?

Personally, I think the Golan Heights should be declared a UN Administration Zone, belonging to no-one, and with both Palestinian and Lebanese farmers allowed to prosper there, and kick out the Israeli interlopers. It is a prime piece of land which Israel is taking for it's own on the excuse of defensive need. It's not Israels to own, but I appreciate it's strategic importance, so let the UN manage it. Israel couldn't complain about that as a buffer, could they?....Unless what they really want is the resources there.

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

Once the Muslims have eclipsed the population balance

The infamous 'demographic time bomb'. A word on this- it has proven to largely be a fallacy. In fact, birth rates in the modern era for Israeli Jews and Palestinians are much the same. And then you've got Jewish immigration.

There is however a 'demographic time bomb' of a very different nature, which comes down to who is doing the breeding. Secular, if you like 'modern' Jews, among which demographic you can count most of the educated and wealthy, do not breed very much- they are being rampantly outbred by their fundamentalist counterparts, especially ultra-religious Jews. So you have a generation emerging increasingly skewed towards those who will not serve in the Army on religious grounds, and very often do not want to work. Rather, they feel it their duty to breed, and study their scripture- and are quite happy to live off the resources of the state.

Some think it poses a greater threat to 'Israel'- however you wish to define it- than the Palestinians.

Do you have links to back this up?

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Have you ever read the original Likud Party Manifesto? The one that pledged to have a Jewish state "from the sea to the river" (presumably the River Jordan we are led to believe)
In fact, earlier Zionist documents pledged the same thing, but meant the Euphrates, so "the river" in Likud's manifesto was possibly also the Euphrates, but like their nuclear arsenal, they never admit to such things.

The political and public face of the Zionists has been and is especially aggressive.

Originally Posted by sabang

So how about Israel as a strong, modern, affluent, pluralistic, democratic state?

Pee's response:

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

That is why a one-state solution would definitely not work for Israel to remain a Jewish Homeland. Once the Muslims have eclipsed the population balance it's simply a game-ender for a Jewish State.

The United Nations view:

The United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine, which brought the British mandate to an end in 1948, referred to a "Jewish state" and an "Arab state."

The reality:

Modern Israel came into existence on 14 May 1948 as the homeland for the Jewish people. It was also defined in its declaration of independence as a "Jewish state," a term that appeared in the United Nations partition decision of 1947 as well. The related term "Jewish and democratic state" dates from 1992 legislation by the Israeli Knesset.
Since its establishment, Israel has passed many laws which reflect on the Jewish identity and values of the majority (about 75% in 2016) of its citizens. However, the secular versus religious debate in Israel in particular has focused debate on the Jewish nature of the state. Another aspect of the debate is the status of minorities in Israel, most notably the Israeli Arab population.

The views of the Israelis:

According to the Israel Democracy Institute, three quarters of Israeli Jews "believe that the State of Israel can be both Jewish and democratic", whereas two thirds of Israeli Arabs do not believe that such a combination is possible.

My view:

No way a one-state solution would work right now with the stumbling block being that a democratic constitution hasn't been passed yet. If it ever could be is the most interesting possibility in the Middle East.

(from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_state and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish...mocratic_state)

Originally Posted by wjblaney

The political and public face of the Zionists has been and is especially aggressive.

Indeed. Most especially.
And I suspect "public face" is a euphemism for outright blatant criminality such as using white phosphorous against Palestinian civilians and illegal collective punishment against Palestinians, and stealing their water etc etc.
And that serves them a right to global support, does it?

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

Once the Muslims have eclipsed the population balance

The infamous 'demographic time bomb'. A word on this- it has proven to largely be a fallacy. In fact, birth rates in the modern era for Israeli Jews and Palestinians are much the same. And then you've got Jewish immigration.

There is however a 'demographic time bomb' of a very different nature, which comes down to who is doing the breeding. Secular, if you like 'modern' Jews, among which demographic you can count most of the educated and wealthy, do not breed very much- they are being rampantly outbred by their fundamentalist counterparts, especially ultra-religious Jews. So you have a generation emerging increasingly skewed towards those who will not serve in the Army on religious grounds, and very often do not want to work. Rather, they feel it their duty to breed, and study their scripture- and are quite happy to live off the resources of the state.

Some think it poses a greater threat to 'Israel'- however you wish to define it- than the Palestinians.

There are more than 10 Million Palestinians in the world of whom over 4 Million reside in the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza.

Now do the simple math Sabang if it became one-state tomorrow or next year as currently there are 6.3 million Jewish citizens and 1.7 million Arab citizens in Israel.

Immediately a Jewish State would no longer exist if Palestinians decided to migrate back from points other than W Bank, E Jerusalem and Gaza.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

The current Israeli leadership bases its continued occupation and settlement expansion strictly on a defensive criteria understandig that with todays missile technolgy Israel's narrow border keeps them on alert staus 24-7-365.

I need to defend myself, so I'll just steal your land to make my borders stronger.
I want Golan, to protect myself, so now it's mine.

What would you say if Lebanon captured the Golan and proclaimed it needs it to protect itself?
From your reasoning (and other Israel apologists), if Lebanon did capture the Heights, it would be fair go to them.
Is it all about might is right?

Personally, I think the Golan Heights should be declared a UN Administration Zone, belonging to no-one, and with both Palestinian and Lebanese farmers allowed to prosper there, and kick out the Israeli interlopers. It is a prime piece of land which Israel is taking for it's own on the excuse of defensive need. It's not Israels to own, but I appreciate it's strategic importance, so let the UN manage it. Israel couldn't complain about that as a buffer, could they?....Unless what they really want is the resources there.

Look up how Israel came about occupying the Golan Hghts...hint - 1967. Funny that.

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by ENT

Ever since Islam arose, Jews have been their scapegoat.

Yawwwwn The Jews were way, way better off under Islam than they were under Christianity. Fact.

The difference being like living in sh*t up to your waist or up to your neck in it.

Originally Posted by ENT

As Jews moved into Palestine, buying land from Arab owners, they created work which Arabs needed and flocked to,

Bullshit again- thoroughly disproved by the British governments census reports to the League of Nations.

By 1939 around 100,000 Arab labourers worked on Jewish owned orange farms, which Jews had been cultivating with improved agriculture since c.1900

Mostly Egyptians who'd moved into Palestine since 1850, or more recent Syrian immigrants and some Jordanians.

Time after time, Arabs attacked Jews, their businesses and farms, culminating in the massacres of 1936-9 riots, where 415 Jews were killed against 5,000 Arab deaths'

....more Palestinians were killed by Jews, than vice versa.

That's obvious.

This well armed body of newly united Arab groups attacked any non-Arab in Palestine if they could get away with it, British troops or Jewish settlers, at a huge cost to their own.

Way more British troops were killed by Jewish terrorists, than Palestinian.

True, as the British were too busy propping up the planned new state of Jordan and building its infrastructure, to ensure impartiality in their mandate to govern Palestine.
British Glub Pasha organized the troops for Jordan using them to attack Jews, while the British army turned a blind eye to his antics as they did to illegal Arab immigration.

Believe me, my actuarial life span is much longer than yours.

Now I know you're mad.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Do you have links to back this up?

See Dr Bob above. GIYF. I'm not your damn kindergarten teacher. Yawwwn.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

And that serves them a right to global support, does it?

Israel had no/zero/zip global support when they declared independence. They carried on just fine without any allies. I'm sure they could care less about global support.

In other news not reported on this thread so far :

On November 8, 2016

Committees of the United Nations General Assembly were scheduled to vote on 10 resolutions against Israel in one day. “Today’s farce at the General Assembly underscores a simple fact: The U.N.’s automatic majority has no interest in truly helping Palestinians, nor in protecting anyone’s human rights,” said Hillel Neuer, executive director of UN Watch. “The goal of these ritual, one-sided condemnations remains the scapegoating of Israel.

“The U.N.’s disproportionate assault against the Jewish state undermines the institutional credibility of what is supposed to be an impartial international body. Politicization and selectivity harm its founding mission, eroding the U.N. Charter promise of equal treatment to all nations large and small,” he said.

Among the resolutions voted on Tuesday were “Israeli practices affecting the human rights of the Palestinian people in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem”; “The occupied Syrian Golan,” and “Persons displaced as a result of the June 1967 and subsequent hostilities.”

The largest ever beneficiary of Foreign aid worldwide is..... (wait for it) ............... Israel.

Czechoslovakia supplied vast quantities of arms to Israel during the war, including thousands of vz. 24 rifles and MG 34 and ZB 37 machine guns, and millions of rounds of ammunition. Czechoslovakia supplied fighter aircraft, including at first ten Avia S-199 fighter planes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_A...e-up_of_forces

I doubt that amounts to zero global support- although, at that time, both Britain and the US thought the Israeli's would lose. Even Ben-Gurion thought it a 50/50 chance. But they didn't.

Originally Posted by wjblaney

Originally Posted by Maanaam

And that serves them a right to global support, does it?

Israel had no/zero/zip global support when they declared independence. They carried on just fine without any allies.

Eh?

At midnight on May 14, 1948, the Provisional Government of Israel proclaimed a new State of Israel. On that same date, the United States, in the person of President Truman, recognized the provisional Jewish government as de facto authority of the Jewish state (de jure recognition was extended on January 31, 1949). https://www.archives.gov/education/lessons/us-israel

On May 14, 1948, the day the British Mandate over Palestine expired, the Jewish People's Council officially approved a proclamation declaring the establishment and independence of the State of Israel.

The United States was the first country to recognize Israel when President Harry Truman granted de-facto recognition eleven minutes after the proclamation of independence. Three days later, the USSR granted Israel de-jure recognition. Nearly a year after its creation, on May 11, 1949, Israel was admitted as the 59th member of the United Nations.
https://www.archives.gov/education/lessons/us-israel

Originally Posted by wjblaney

I'm sure they could care less about global support.

wjblaney = idiot, ignoramus or troll.

Israel never received any financial support either.

Originally Posted by wjblaney

In other news not reported on this thread so far :

On November 8, 2016

blah blah blah effin blah

Thread title: Arab social media is full of the filth

First post: 26-11-2016, 06:49 PM

Your old "news": November 8, 2016. It's not surprising it hasn't been posted in this. So...

Why didn't/don't you start a thread about it if it is of interest to you?