Thread: Arab social media is full of the filth

Originally Posted by wjblaney

The Arabs drove themselves out as refugees in the many wars

Oh, so the Israelis don't bulldoze Palestinian homes, orchards, and entire villages?

Originally Posted by wjblaney

And the Jews have always lived in Palestine

Yes, and just prior to their civilian invasion from Europe, Jews were about 5% of the population of the area. (And...how on earth did they live there all this time amongst people determined to kill them, eh ENT?)

Originally Posted by wjblaney

until the last century when they reclaimed the desert then offered to share the reward with their neighbors who refused and continue to refuse

Oh...let me just steal your house, do some interior decorating, and then offer a room of it back to you, ok?

Originally Posted by wjblaney

These states you mention didn't or don't come near to being true democracies much less a "government of the people, by the people, for the people".

Nobody has claimed they are.

Name a "true democracy" in the world.

Originally Posted by wjblaney

These states you mention didn't or don't come near to being true democracies much less a "government of the people, by the people, for the people".

Neither does the US or Thailand. But, what's the point of that? Israel still has not got justification for encroaching outside it's 1947 borders.
Lets let the 1967 borders argument stand. Too contentious a subject, but let it remain that Israel did conquer and claim land that was not their own, in contravention of international laws.
What of extending beyond those 1967 borders.....even now more settlements are being built on land that was never part of The State Of Israel.
Yet people defend the Israelis. Why? Here we see some of the reason why: Because the Israelis are picking on Muslims....and that's a good thing, right?

Originally Posted by wjblaney

Originally Posted by sabang

What an utterly strange post. Where did you get that stuff?

Yes it is exaggerated but mostly correct as is your own.

As Sabang has just shown that everything you said was wrong your statements can hardly be "mostly correct", can they?

What is it with some people that they just can't admit to being wrong?

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Originally Posted by ENT

PS. Thanks for the green..

Simple pleasures for simple minds, while simpler minds look on.

Corrected it for you.

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Originally Posted by wjblaney

And all this regarding how evil the Arabs are to justify the pure evil of the Zionists theft of Palestine.

In the last 2000 years the Arabs have had no end of chances to 'steal' Palestine for themselves or 'share' it with the Jews who gave the desert life and and formed the only middle eastern democracy then or now

Arabs never had a farming culture or agricultural civilization, they were and still are of a nomadic desert dweller culture, herding their brood stock looking for greener pastures than the last that they polluted, desecrated then abandoned.

Nowhere to turn in the desert lands for sustenace, because of inter-tribal and clan rivalry, hungry Arab hordes and stock, held together by a Muslim yoke, are on the move again. This time trying to get into Europe, or any other greener paddock to continue with their stone age practices and beliefs, none of which are founded in reality, but are causing their IQs and overall health to decline, as is by now well known.

So that gives Israelis, very few of whom can claim ancestry in the land beyond
a parent or grandparent, the right to drive out the natural inhabitants?

Jews have as much ancestral right as Samarians, Danites, Levites Ebonites and other tribes, and greater rights altogether than Arabs, ...who are from Arabia, not Palestine..., to claim their homeland there with Jerusalem as its capital.

The troubles in Palestine
How the Palestinians react has little to do with their religion and everything to do with the fact that they are a people being driven out of their homes.

Hogwash.
Arabs migrated in hordes into Palestine and Trans-Jordan after WW1.
They weren't indigenous Palestinians at all, they were mainly from Arab lands, Syria, Arabia and Egypt.
After WW1 there were surprisingly few Arabs left in the old Ottoman territory.

"According to Ottoman statistics studied by Justin McCarthy, the population of Palestine in the early 19th century was 350,000, in 1860 it was 411,000 and in 1900 about 600,000 of which 94% were Arabs. In 1914 Palestine had a population of 657,000 Muslim Arabs, 81,000 Christian Arabs, and 59,000 Jews."

In 1920; British Government's Interim Report on the Civil Administration of Palestine
"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.

Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race.

Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or—a small number—are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogr...estine_(region)


Not many indigenous Palestinians there other than some Jews after how many years,...700 or so... of Arab Muslim dominance of Palestine?

Note, the Arab population of Palestine doubled in one hundred years, 4 generations...from early 19th to early 20th century.

But from 1920 until 1947, the so called Arab (but in fact mixed ancestry) population grew to 1.2 million, it doubled in 25 years, in one generation!

Amazing! 4 times faster than the previous four generations!

But they weren't Palestinian indigenes sprogging heaps of kids everywhere, their infant survival rate was shockingly low, and family sizes didn't suddenly quadruple to something like 8 kids surviving childhood.

Neither did many of them have any greater than a few generations ancestral claim to Palestine, as the majority were from Egypt, Syria and Egypt.

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by ENT

anti-Jewish bigots like yourself can exist anywhere

But I suppose in your feeble mind, most Jews are anti-Jewish bigots anyway.

Are you losing your marbles again?

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Originally Posted by wjblaney

And the Jews have always lived in Palestine

Yes, and just prior to their civilian invasion from Europe, Jews were about 5% of the population of the area. (And...how on earth did they live there all this time amongst people determined to kill them, eh ENT?)

Another one of your stupid questions.

But just to enlighten your ignorance, they were dhimmis, protected through jizya and treaty, as long as they acknowledged Islam and Muslims as their superiors, otherwise, yes, death was a standard option.

Originally Posted by ENT

In 1914 Palestine had a population of 657,000 Muslim Arabs, 81,000 Christian Arabs, and 59,000 Jews."

Originally Posted by ENT

Neither did many of them have any greater than a few generations ancestral claim to Palestine, as the majority were from Egypt, Syria and Egypt.

So, what gives a bunch of Europeans the right to the land, displacing people who were there, by your own admission, before the Jewish influx?


Here's a question that you Zionist apologists never want to answer: How many generations of separation from ancestral land can descendants still claim ownership over land? We all trace back to Africa eventually....do you and I have a right to a plot of land there?

Originally Posted by sabang

Wouldn't happen to be thinking of Bedouins now, would we?

Yes, he was (from his own posted article post 131 above: "Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs"), but ENT won't allow his own facts to deter him from his own fallacies.

Originally Posted by sabang

Repeating long discredited lies, with the utterly evil aim of justifying the ethnic cleansing, or genocide of 5.5 million indigenous Palestinians from their own land only makes you seem more of a demented idiot ent. And you call other people bigoted

To critisise Israeli actions is to automatically make us antisemite bigots...a handy label, but one that has long ago lost it's credibility through over-use and much misuse.

But really I quoted you because your comment is worth repeating.

^^^^post 135. Great post. Unfortunately, blind bigotry and unthinking Islamaphobic zeal, will mean it's all ignored. Facts get in the way of Hasbara misinformation.

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by ENT

Arabs never had a farming culture or agricultural civilization

Even though the Egyptians invented irrigation?

Egyptians aren't and never were ethnically Arabs.
King Tutankhamun's DNA was RIb1a2a, so descended from the same ancestral groups as many modern Europeans, Armenians among others, but not Arabian.

Olives: of 600,133 dunams, 99 percent was Palestinian-owned and cultivated.
era: From the British Occupation to the Great Palestine Rebellion, 1918-1935

Big deal.
600,133 dunams = 600.13 sq kilometres = 2% of total land area of all present Israeli territories 2016, which = 27,000 sq kilometres aprox.


For many centuries, Palestine was a sparsely populated, poorly cultivated and widely-neglected expanse of eroded hills, sandy deserts and malarial marshes. As late as 1880, the American consul in Jerusalem reported the area was continuing its historic decline. “The population and wealth of Palestine has not increased during the last forty years,” he said. 12
The Report of the Palestine Royal Commission quotes an account of the Maritime Plain in 1913:

The road leading from Gaza to the north was only a summer track suitable for transport by camels and carts . . . ​no orange groves, orchards or vineyards were to be seen until one reached [the Jewish village of] Yabna [Yavne]. . . . Houses were all of mud. No windows were anywhere to be seen. . . . The ploughs used were of wood. . . . The yields were very poor. . . . The sanitary conditions in the village were horrible. Schools did not exist. . . . The western part, towards the sea, was almost a desert. . . . The villages in this area were few and thinly populated. Many ruins of villages were scattered over the area, as owing to the prevalence of malaria, many villages were deserted by their inhabitants. 13

Palestine Royal Commission Report, p. 233.

Myths & Facts: Israel's Roots (Chapter 1) | Jewish Virtual Library

“Mark Twain, who visited Palestine in 1867, described it as: “. . . a desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds—a silent mournful expanse. . . . A desolation is here that not even imagination can grace with the pomp of life and action. . . . We never saw a human being on the whole route. . . . There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of the worthless soil, had almost deserted the country.”
Myths & Facts: Israel's Roots (Chapter 1) | Jewish Virtual Library

"Very few Arabs were productive settlers of the land, an activity they despised; a few were great landlords who used native tenants to cultivate their estates; but generally they were nomadic tribesmen, soldiers and officials all of whom lived off the jizya (or poll tax) and the kharaj (or land tax) paid by the occupied peoples in return for the protection of their lives and property and for the right to practice their own religion. Because the jizya and the kharaj could be imposed only on non-Muslims, the Arabs had little interest in making converts to Islam, a contributory reason why Syria, Palestine and Egypt would remain overwhelmingly Christian for centuries to come."[23]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogr...estine_(region)

The Arab claims that the Jews have obtained too large a proportion of good land cannot be maintained. Much of the land now carrying orange groves was sand dunes or swamps and uncultivated when it was bought.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish...e_in_Palestine

Arabians are from Arabia. Arabs are from-
The Arab world stretches around 13 million km², from the Atlantic Ocean in the west to the Arabian Sea in the east, and from the Mediterranean Sea in the north to the Horn of Africa and the Indian Ocean in the southeast...In total, there are an estimated 450 million Arabs. This makes them the world's second largest population group after the Han Chinese.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabs

Nice bit of side stepping,pure semantics, and of dubious value but no cigar,...as there were never any ethnic Palestinians who were essentially Arabs, or Arabians.

The term "Arab world" is a neo-political term meaning the world dominated by Arab Muslim influence, language and culture through Arab conquest and is not a term used to describe the ethnicity of those conquered.

Only around 5% of N. Africans are of Shemite (thus Semitic) Arabian descent, the rest are mainly Hamites, while those in western Asia are Indo-European Japhetites.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Originally Posted by wjblaney

These states you mention didn't or don't come near to being true democracies much less a "government of the people, by the people, for the people".

Neither does the US or Thailand. But, what's the point of that? Israel still has not got justification for encroaching outside it's 1947 borders.
Lets let the 1967 borders argument stand. Too contentious a subject, but let it remain that Israel did conquer and claim land that was not their own, in contravention of international laws.
What of extending beyond those 1967 borders.....even now more settlements are being built on land that was never part of The State Of Israel.
Yet people defend the Israelis. Why? Here we see some of the reason why: Because the Israelis are picking on Muslims....and that's a good thing, right?

You seem to think it would be a good idea to let the Arabs sit on the Golan Heights and lob bombs on Israel.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

You seem to think it would be a good idea to let the Arabs sit on the Golan Heights and lob bombs on Israel.

You can't draw that conclusion about what I think, but it is a subject totally open to debate: (And I wrote 1947 above when I should have written 1948, the day the state of Israel was declared.).
Israel declared itself a state (through Ben-Gurien) which had a defined border, then decided it wanted more land. And took it.
Can I just decide I want more land and simply take it by force? What if it was part of your land that I decided to take by force? And then I ignored the rule of law?
Global society has moved on since before modern international treaties and agreements when rule of force won every time.

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by ENT

Arabs migrated in hordes into Palestine and Trans-Jordan after WW1.

Originally Posted by ENT

Neither did many of them have any greater than a few generations ancestral claim to Palestine, as the majority were from Egypt, Syria and Egypt.

Utter nonsense again. The very word Palestine is derived from the Greek word for Philistine- just one of the ancient tribes that make up the indigenous Palestinian population today. Others include the Moabites, Ammonites, Phoenicians and (yes) Hebrews.......most Hebrews were not expelled by the Romans after the Revolt. They remained, interbred, and became indigenous Palestinians. A small few even retained their Jewish identity and culture over the centuries).

What are you trying to say?
That the Philistines, Moabites, Ammonites and Phoenicians were Arabs?


Philistines
There are several theories about the origins of the Philistines. Several Biblical passages connect the Philistines to other biblical groups such as Caphtorim and the Cherethites and Pelethites, which have both been identified with Crete[7] and which has led to the tradition of an Aegean origin,[8] although this theory has been disputed, with other scholars[who?] claiming a Luwian origin in western Asia Minor.[9][10][11] In 2016, the discovery of a huge Philistine cemetery, containing more than 150 burials, seems to point toward an Aegean origin of the Philistines. Genetic testing of the human remains will provide further information
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philistines

The Moabites' culture is dated by scholars from about the late 14th century bc to 582 bc, when, according to the Jewish historian Josephus (1st century ad), they wereconquered by the Babylonians. In Old Testament accounts (e.g., Genesis 19:30–38), the Moabites belonged to the same ethnic stock as the Israelites.Jul 20, 1998
Moabite | people | Britannica.com

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Moabite

Question: "Who were the Ammonites?"

Answer: Throughout the early history of Israel, we find references to the Ammonite people. Who were they, where did they come from, and what happened to them? The Ammonites were a Semitic people, closely related to the Israelites. Despite that relationship, they were more often counted enemies than friends.

Lot, Abraham's nephew, was the progenitor of the Ammonites. After Abraham and Lot separated (Genesis 13),

https://gotquestions.org/Ammonites.html



A research team co-led by a scientist at New Zealand's University of Otago has sequenced the first complete mitochondrial genome of a 2500-year-old Phoenician dubbed the "Young Man of Byrsa" or "Ariche."
This is the first ancient DNA to be obtained from Phoenician remains and the team's analysis shows that the man belonged to a rare European haplogroup -- a genetic group with a common ancestor -- that likely links his maternal ancestry to locations somewhere on the North Mediterranean coast, most probably on the Iberian Peninsula.
The findings are newly published in the journal PLOS ONE.
Study co-leader Professor Lisa Matisoo-Smith of the Department of Anatomy says the findings provide the earliest evidence of the European mitochondrial haplogroup U5b2c1 in North Africa and date its arrival to at least the late sixth century BC.


https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0525161342.htm



No Arabs among that lot.

Originally Posted by sabang

Ancient, continuously occupied cities in the land of Palestine (now Israel & Palestine) include Jaffa, Jerusalem, Jericho, Acre and Hebron.

Right, but none of those cities were founded, built or continuously occupied by Arabs.

The Palestinians are actually one of the longest continuous occupiers of their land in human history.

Palestinians?
Talking about Canaanites, Philistines, Moabites, Ammonites, Jebusites, Philistines, Phoenicians, Hebrews?

When did the Arabs move in?

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Originally Posted by RPETER65

You seem to think it would be a good idea to let the Arabs sit on the Golan Heights and lob bombs on Israel.

Can I just decide I want more land and simply take it by force?

Goes on all the time among Arabs and Muslims.

Turkey, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Ethiopia, Ethiopia, Sudan, Egypt, Libya,...all biting bits of land off each other.

Originally Posted by ENT

The Arab claims that the Jews have obtained too large a proportion of good land cannot be maintained. Much of the land now carrying orange groves was sand dunes or swamps and uncultivated when it was bought.

...or had water or aquifers.
Yes, Israel has slowly taken over almost all of the water. Sand dunes to orange groves didn't happen without it.

Originally Posted by sabang

^^ You have already quoted the population of Palestine in the late 1800's- so you fully know and accept there was a sizable population there, the Palestinians.

The Palestinians....not the Arabs.

I have given you the names of a number of ancient, continually inhabited cities in Palestine.

None of which were built by or occupied by Arabs until the 7th century CE..

And now you go and tell me, oh but the Negev desert-

I said nothing of the sort.

......in this case on the coastal plain going north from Gaza (which has been an inhabited, coastal fishing strip for centuries )was sparsely populated. Well whodathoughtitt. Guess what, it still is-

Your totally mad, or blind, have another look at the maps, and read the news.



Have a look at this map,..the coastal plain running North from Gaza....pretty much occupied these days.

You know full well, as does everyone else here, that Palestine has been continuously inhabited since ancient times.

As I've always claimed.

Originally Posted by ENT

"Very few Arabs were productive settlers of the land, an activity they despised; a few were great landlords who used native tenants to cultivate their estates; but generally they were nomadic tribesmen, soldiers and officials all of whom lived off the jizya (or poll tax) and the kharaj (or land tax) paid by the occupied peoples in return for the protection of their lives and property and for the right to practice their own religion. Because the jizya and the kharaj could be imposed only on non-Muslims, the Arabs had little interest in making converts to Islam, a contributory reason why Syria, Palestine and Egypt would remain overwhelmingly Christian for centuries to come."[23]

This passage is taken from the book:
The Tragedy of the Templars: The Rise and Fall of the Crusader States. Michael Haag (2012)

It details the time leading up to, and immediately after, the Muslim Conquests- specfically relating to the fall of the Templars.

Correct.

It is quite right in what it says- the Arabian invaders were a desert folk, not farmers and cultivators. The Palestinians however, were not- they were farmers, merchants, and others, like the Gazans, fisherfolk. So the Muslim conquerors continued being the warriors, and became also the administrators and tax collectors- while the Palestinians carried on farming and trading, and were indeed mainly Christian at that time. Unsurprising really, because they were vassals of a Christian Kingdom until the Muslim conquest.

The Palestinians were predominantly Christians at the time.

Oh, the Muslim conquest of Palestine happened in AD640.

Right.

You, .. would have us believe that the indigenous Palestinians- the descendants of Philistines, Hebrews, Moabites etc- just mysteriously evaporated into thin air after the Muslim conquest, and were replaced by the invaders from the Arabian Peninsula.

Liar!

The Muslim invaders committed wholesale genocide of Christians, Jews, pagans and anybody in Palestine who refused to convert to Islam or pay jizya.

The Palestinians that Islam forced into servitude continued to occupy the land, and simultaneously, Arabs started to migrate into Palestine with the Muslim invasion and occupation.

Muslims didn't attain a majority (0.25 million pop.) in Christian dominated Palestine until the 12th century, ...yet were only 0.5 million pop. (double), by the middle of the 19th century, ...700 years later......after supposedly always having the highest birthrate believable, so they claim .....(quadrupled their numbers in 27 years after 1921 or so....(amazing)!

How do you account for that?
A Muslim pop. growth of only 100% in 700 year?
Yet later, conveniently had a 400% pop. growth in 27 years?

Currently, Muslims breed at the rate of 100% per generation in UK, supposedly.

Muslims migrated wholesale into Palestine between the end od WW1 and end of WW2, no doubt about that at all, chappy.

The mystery is, where did those conquering Muslim hordes disappear to by 1850?

There