Thread: The U.K and the E.U - In or out?

Originally Posted by PAG

When companies launch recruitment drives in eastern Europe they blame skills shortages in Britain. Really? If a big business wants to hire, say, drivers on £25 an hour, it will find it can do so easily; what they really mean is that they can’t find people willing to work for £10 an hour or less, with antisocial hours to boot.

There, in a nutshell, is one of the problems, having a pretty obvious solution, which doesn't involve Brexit. Indeed the problem will still exist even if the UK were to leave the EU. Perhaps forcing the UK to adhere to the EU social and working policies would be a wiser move to protect the workforce?

The additional rules and legalities that are forcing small business ventures out of existence is true but not solely caused by the EU. Indeed, additional UK laws, outside EU directives, forced many to leave for Europe in the late 90's. I believe I am currently the victim of a mixture of UK, EU and US laws...and no, I am not a professional bank robber despite what others may tell you.

Originally Posted by PAG

Interesting post from elsewhere I just read:

"The EU has given us cheap mobile phone roaming charges, cheaper flights and proper compensation when things go wrong. It has helped clean up the environment, improving our rivers and beaches. It has given us unprecedented freedom to travel visa-free across the continent. And I’m voting out.
Why? I know a painter/decorator who has not been able to raise his wages for 15 years. There’s always someone else, he says, willing to work for less. A driver who arrived from Turkey 18 years ago, who says the bus companies used to pay more than £12 an hour, but can now pay £10 or less because they have so many takers (and yes, the irony is noted). A care-home cleaner in a rundown seaside town who reckons her hopes of ever getting more than the minimum wage are zero. Each blames an influx of workers from the EU. Each of them are voting out. Tell them the EU protects workers’ rights and they just laugh.

When companies launch recruitment drives in eastern Europe they blame skills shortages in Britain. Really? If a big business wants to hire, say, drivers on £25 an hour, it will find it can do so easily; what they really mean is that they can’t find people willing to work for £10 an hour or less, with antisocial hours to boot. Meanwhile, workers here rejecting low wages are told they are lazy, chavvy and feckless when they refuse to be part of the so-called “jobs factory of Europe”."

My BIL has worked for the same civil Engineering company for 30 years , he is now the only British Employee, the other 60 or so are all from Eastern Europe all with short term work contracts .

5 more days to go for the results

go Brexit, go !!!

Muslim advocacy group MEND backs EU Remain Campaign

A Muslim community body is urging British Muslims to vote for the Remain Campiagn in next weeks EU Referendum.

With the finely balanced European Union vote in barely over a week, it is widely recognised that the Ethnic Minority vote could prove decisive. In particular the Muslim Vote could play a key role.

MEND (Muslim Engagement and Development) is a leading grass roots Muslim MEND has produced a Briefing Paper with an extensive analysis of how the key issues in the EU referendum debate affect the lives of British Muslims.
On the basis of this research it is recommending a vote to Remain.

MEND CEO Dr Shazad Aminsaid, “Islamophobia is a growing European problem and thus requires a European solution based on mutual cooperation, not isolationism.

"The EU has a strong track record in tackling all forms of discrimination, and in 2015 appointed a Coordinator on Anti-Muslim Hatred, David Friggieri; this shows it is taking Islamophobia seriously”.

“Leaving also risks the UK losing the benefit from the work of the EU Fundamental Rights Agency, which oversees compliance with Human Rights law across Europe.

"With the Conservative Government having signalled its intention to scrap the Human Rights Act and replace it with a British Bill of Rights, such oversight will be more important than ever”.
Muslim advocacy group MEND backs EU Remain Campaign (From Asian Image)

A nutter killed her.

Why? He's a nobody, (or rather was), an isolated stooge with low social skills, now a scapegoat for everything the remain group can fasten him to.

Originally Posted by astasinim

Im still undecided as which way to vote and want to be as informed as possible before pacing my X

Go with the poll at the beginning of the thread. Job done.

Eight years of austerity and cuts in the U.K all compounded by lie after lie by bankers, labour, Tories and The defunct Lib/dems.

Nothing will stop a Brexit now!

Even Labour activists are campaigning in our area for leave, never even seen a labour activist on a door step before here in a Tory safe seat.

Roll on British Independence day

Originally Posted by ENT

A nutter killed her.

Why? He's a nobody, (or rather was), an isolated stooge with low social skills, now a scapegoat for everything the remain group can fasten him to.

Yeah even a headbanger can buy an illegal firearm in Blighty .

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by ENT

A nutter killed her.

Why? He's a nobody, (or rather was), an isolated stooge with low social skills, now a scapegoat for everything the remain group can fasten him to.

Yeah even a headbanger can buy an illegal firearm in Blighty .

Sure, that would account for Britain's huge firearms murder rates, you complete fool!

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Yeah even a headbanger can buy an illegal firearm in Blighty .

Do we know what firearm was used yet? Earlier you mentioned a sawn-off shotgun but I have heard reports of an antique gun. I can't think it was a musket, as I have read an eye-witness said in one article, since three shots were reported.

Apologies, a little off topic and perhaps better in the thread specific to the shooting.

Meanwhile, does the Brexit leave campaign have enough funds to pay for my move back to Blighty?

Originally Posted by astasinim

I thought this a rather interesting video. Quite a few facts here from someone who probably knows more about the subject than both sides of the campaign put together.
Im still undecided as which way to vote and want to be as informed as possible before pacing my X

Worth watching by everyone and especially those that think Brexit is such a good idea.

Green behind the bar...

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

Eight years of austerity and cuts in the U.K all compounded by lie after lie by bankers, labour, Tories and The defunct Lib/dems.

What has that got to with the EU?

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by ENT

A nutter killed her.

Why? He's a nobody, (or rather was), an isolated stooge with low social skills, now a scapegoat for everything the remain group can fasten him to.

Yeah even a headbanger can buy an illegal firearm in Blighty .

BS! The sale of firearms in the UK is amongst the most heavily regulated in the world. You obviously haven't lived here for a long time.

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by PAG

Interesting post from elsewhere I just read:

"The EU has given us cheap mobile phone roaming charges, cheaper flights and proper compensation when things go wrong. It has helped clean up the environment, improving our rivers and beaches. It has given us unprecedented freedom to travel visa-free across the continent. And I’m voting out.
Why? I know a painter/decorator who has not been able to raise his wages for 15 years. There’s always someone else, he says, willing to work for less. A driver who arrived from Turkey 18 years ago, who says the bus companies used to pay more than £12 an hour, but can now pay £10 or less because they have so many takers (and yes, the irony is noted). A care-home cleaner in a rundown seaside town who reckons her hopes of ever getting more than the minimum wage are zero. Each blames an influx of workers from the EU. Each of them are voting out. Tell them the EU protects workers’ rights and they just laugh.

When companies launch recruitment drives in eastern Europe they blame skills shortages in Britain. Really? If a big business wants to hire, say, drivers on £25 an hour, it will find it can do so easily; what they really mean is that they can’t find people willing to work for £10 an hour or less, with antisocial hours to boot. Meanwhile, workers here rejecting low wages are told they are lazy, chavvy and feckless when they refuse to be part of the so-called “jobs factory of Europe”."

My BIL has worked for the same civil Engineering company for 30 years , he is now the only British Employee, the other 60 or so are all from Eastern Europe all with short term work contracts .

That's because we do not have enough skilled persons. Have you ever heard the word economics?

Originally Posted by longway

Originally Posted by Troy

Originally Posted by longway

I do hope this poll proves to be right. It really looks as if the British people are seeing through b.s., they are not falling for the scare mongering, and the attempts to capitalise on the lady's death are back firing badly.

Perhaps, just perhaps, many who were asked for their views, just after Cox had been murdered, told the pollster to politely bugger off and that was put down as a 'don't know'.

18 June 2016: New batch of polls suggest result is in the balance

A series of of new referendum polls released on Saturday evening suggest that the result still hangs in the balance.
Online polls by Opinium and YouGov suggest the two sides are neck and neck.
Opinium for the Observer has both remain and leave on 44%.
YouGov has published two polls. For the Sunday Times it has Remain one point up; for ITV it has Leave two up.
Survation has published the only telephone poll of the evening for the Mail on Sunday. It has Remain up by three points.
It's difficult to say with any confidence whether these new polls represent a significant change.
But perhaps they suggest that the momentum enjoyed by Leave over the last couple of weeks has, for the time being at least, stalled.

How does it feel?

ComRes has also published an interesting poll for the Independent and Sunday People, although not with referendum voting intention figures.
It asked people about the emotions they would feel depending on the referendum outcome.
Significantly more people said they'd be delighted if Leave wins (44%) than if Remain wins (28%).
A Leave victory would also disappoint fewer people.
However, it would also make more people anxious.
Some 41% of people said a Leave victory would cause them anxiety compared to 33% for a Remain victory.

16 June 2016: Leave trend continues

Two more polls published today confirm the trend of a significant shift to leave.
And they're particularly striking because they're both telephone polls conducted by companies who have previously had remain ahead - sometimes with substantial leads.
Ipsos MORI now give leave a 6 point lead. Survation have them 3 points ahead.
Two further polls - one internet, one telephone - are expected overnight tonight.

EU referendum poll tracker - BBC News

Originally Posted by Ronin

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

Eight years of austerity and cuts in the U.K all compounded by lie after lie by bankers, labour, Tories and The defunct Lib/dems.

What has that got to with the EU?

50 million reasons everyday, better of spent at home instead of propping the EU up.

^ Not that old chestnut again.

The UK will not save £50m/day if they exit the EU. There are no alternatives that have been put forward that will improve the UK economically. Boris is telling you porkie pies and you are believing them

If we vote to leave, we will be able to spend the £350 million we send to Brussels every week on our priorities like the NHS, schools, and fundamental science research. Many cuts would be unnecessary if we saved the money wasted on the EU.

We end the supremacy of EU law. Countries around the world trade freely and cooperate in a friendly, effective way without making EU law supreme. We too will have a new UK-EU deal based on free trade and friendly cooperation. We will carry on cooperating on all sorts of things such as scientific collaborations.

We regain legal control of things like trade, tax, economic regulation, energy and food bills, migration, crime, and civil liberties. If we vote for the people who make our trade deals and control public services, the results will be better. British voters should be able to change our laws and control our taxes by voting out politicians.

The prospect of a return to border controls between Northern Ireland and the Republic as a result of a Brexit is both "repulsive and upsetting", a British Labour politician has said.

Claims by Northern Secretary Theresa Villiers that the common travel area between the UK and Ireland would be unaffected are wrong, Conor McGinn, MP for the St Helen's North constituency in Merseyside, said.
Mr McGinn, who is originally from south Armagh, claimed 'leave' campaigners were being disingenuous in their statements about the North.

"As someone who grew up six miles from the border during the late 1980s, 1990s, I can categorically say that the idea of going back to any sort of restriction, or even the word checkpoint, in the border between north and south, is both repulsive and upsetting," he said.

Mr McGinn said it was not overstating, or scaremongering, to say the progress that has been made on both sides of the border would be put at risk.
Asked by a member of the audience about claims from the leave side that a border would not be reinstated, Mr McGinn said they were wrong.

He said Brexit could ultimately mean a hard border between the island of Ireland and Britain, meaning someone travelling from Belfast to Liverpool would need to go through passport control.

At worst, there wold be border controls that would give "rise to serious adverse consequences in terms of trade and economic engagement".

Research carried out by Irishjobs.ie and NIjobs.com showed that 42pc of Northern Irish and 41pc of Irish employees fear the reintroduction of border controls. And 77pc of Northern Irish employees believe a Brexit would push the UK economy into recession.

Warning of 'repulsive' border posts after Brexit - Independent.ie

Originally Posted by Troy

^ Not that old chestnut again.

The UK will not save £50m/day if they exit the EU. There are no alternatives that have been put forward that will improve the UK economically. Boris is telling you porkie pies and you are believing them

There are numerous alternatives that have been put forward, you are aware presumably that the UK can't negotiate it's own trade deals with other countries while a member of the EU?

And for all you bleeding heart liberals what is it that keeps Africa in poverty, maybe that would be the EU tariffs on all their goods, a UK free of EU restrictions can negotiate trade deals with African countries and improve their lives. Brexit contrary to project fear is outward looking so we can trade freely with the rest of the world unbeholden to dumb EU rules that keeps the third world in poverty. We have the commonwealth which the EU hates but which we cant take advantage of while in the EU. Fuck the inward looking self serving Europe, free Britain and make it great again.

^^Once we break free of the EU and ditch the evil froggie metric system and go back to the proper system of imperial weights and measurements; I think we will be 2 bob short of a pound.

Africa exports green coffee to the EU to avoid the EU tariffs on processed coffee.
Africa earns $2.8b from this.
Germany processes African coffee and re exports without taffifs and earns $3.4b from this...........

The tariffs on processed cocoa can be as high as 60%.

Give Africans the chance to earn their rightful profits in global markets and most of the African economic migrants wouldn't want to risk their lives getting to Europe.

There is much wrong with the EU.