Thread: The U.K and the E.U - In or out?

Imagine what a cluster fuck a European army would be! One to rival Nato?

To lighten the mood...

Originally Posted by ENT

Ms Stuart said that by leaving the EU the UK would "take back control"

How? Details?

Ask her.

browsing through newspaper articles over the past few weeks, listening to radio broadcasts and reading the waffle on this thread just confirms to me that there is nobody, absolutely nobody, who can say with any certainty what will happen should england vote to leave the eu.

it is a huge gamble that will be decided on the often ridiculous prejudices and false perceptions of the mostly bone headed, blinkered and poorly informed population of england.

it will be decided on the anticipated price of the two most important things to the english, corn flakes and mobile phones.

may god have mercy on us.

Originally Posted by taxexile

it is a huge gamble that will be decided on the often ridiculous prejudices and false perceptions of the mostly bone headed, blinkered and poorly informed population

True to some extent, but that is democracy at work - and a poorly informed population is a failure of politicians.

Originally Posted by taxexile

.. of england.

and Scotland, and Wales and Northern Ireland?

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by Neverna

Originally Posted by taxexile

it is a huge gamble that will be decided on the often ridiculous prejudices and false perceptions of the mostly bone headed, blinkered and poorly informed population

True to some extent, but that is democracy at work - and a poorly informed population is a failure of politicians.

Originally Posted by taxexile

.. of england.

and Scotland, and Wales and Northern Ireland?

Who? Let's be honest about this, regardless of the BR in Brexit this is primarily an English issue. It's being pushed by the English and, if it goes through, Britain will exit the EU based primarily on English votes. It's got nothing really to do with the EU, it has to do with the fact that English, the normal English, feel unrepresented and overlooked in their own country.

The Brexit side is a sewer of lies and misrepresentations but that doesn't matter because the issue is not the EU, the issue is that many people in England feel powerless and betrayed and what we're seeing now in England is a surge in what can only be called English identity - which is not necessarily a bad thing in itself.

I think Britain leaving the EU would be a terrible mistake but it's very easy to see why many people want this. English identity has pretty much disappeared over the last 70 years and people are left with no meaningful history, society, or social structures to identify with. Those people who want England to be a country that represents them rather than some "outsider" are vilified as racists and fascists. The vast majority are not, of course, racists and fascists but ignoring and belittling their fears and hopes may very well cause them to turn in that direction.

To me the EU is not the primary cause of this disaffection and alienation, the primary cause is a political system which places no value on the majority of the people of this country. A system which ignores their aspirations, pays no attentions to their hopes and fears, impoverishes them and removes the financial and social supports people formerly relied on.

sod it, I can't be bothered typing any more. I know what the response will be. I'm off to the pub.

I would have to agree, I have said time and time again although not on this board the UK government has treated its' own citizens badly. No surprise they take it out on the EU despite the fact that is not the entire reason for their unhappiness. Leaving the EU will be a disaster as the country will be more fragmented than it ever has been.

I lke the part with Bam Bam 03:05

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

I lke the part with Bam Bam 03:05

Some of his stuff is good and funny, but that's terrible and incredibly deceitful, dishonest, manipulative, etc. Pretty much just endless one-sided lies (which is what this debate and politics has pretty much become).

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

I lke the part with Bam Bam 03:05

Some of his stuff is good and funny, but that's terrible and incredibly deceitful, dishonest, manipulative, etc. Pretty much just endless one-sided lies (which is what this debate and politics has pretty much become).

Sadly what you say is quite true, he's a comedienne just like Camoron .

Originally Posted by taxexile

browsing through newspaper articles over the past few weeks, listening to radio broadcasts and reading the waffle on this thread just confirms to me that there is nobody, absolutely nobody, who can say with any certainty what will happen should england vote to leave the eu.

it is a huge gamble that will be decided on the often ridiculous prejudices and false perceptions of the mostly bone headed, blinkered and poorly informed population of england.

it will be decided on the anticipated price of the two most important things to the english, corn flakes and mobile phones.

may god have mercy on us.

Tax, there is no uncertainty or doubt over what will transpire if the chickenhead Isaan equivalent in Britain vote to quit the EU:the £ will devalue sharply and reach parity with the $, inflation will be imported, the economy will shrink accordingly and the process of re-aligning our tariffs with new markets will be a long drawn out affair blighting the next ten years, Scotland will secede and N.Ireland will become even more of a desperate backwater rotting in isolation, wine will become expensive again and we'll pay more for our cars and probably everything else we fucking import given the £ will be worth diddlysquat.
Problem is, Brexit morons are too fucking stupid to realise just how fucking dumb they truly are.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Tax, there is no uncertainty or doubt over what will transpire if the chickenhead Isaan equivalent in Britain vote to quit the EU:the £ will devalue sharply and reach parity with the $, inflation will be imported, the economy will shrink accordingly and the process of re-aligning our tariffs with new markets will be a long drawn out affair blighting the next ten years, Scotland will secede and N.Ireland will become even more of a desperate backwater rotting in isolation, wine will become expensive again and we'll pay more for our cars and probably everything else we fucking import given the £ will be worth diddlysquat.
Problem is, Brexit morons are too fucking stupid to realise just how fucking dumb they truly are.

That's the problem and I wonder who would staff the hospitals, drive buses, taxis, pick fruit and staff the hotels. The truth is we don't have enough people so what will happen? Very likely being outside the EU and negotiating deals would mean the EU would demand the free movement of labour (think I may have said that before).

Folks, the dices have already been rolled.

There will be "NO BREXIT" !

Mark my words for it.

Originally Posted by taxexile

i'm not so sure britains future will be as dire as you suggest should brexit occur.

the eu cannot afford to lose the uk, that is a fact, and brexit would quickly fire up the nascent exit movements in other countries, which is the last thing they want.

a scared merkel and her cronies would very soon be, and i'm sure it has already been discussed, offering the uk some form of placatory and very beneficial "associate membership" rather than cast us adrift mercilessly.

the germans, belgians, dutch, austrians and even the execrable french have said in the past that the demands britain have made over the past few years are perfectly valid demands and that the eu cannot just go on undemocratically usurping power from nation states.

i suspect a brexit might be just what the eu needs in order to curb its excesses of power and bring about the necessary changes that benefit all of europe, and the uk could well end up with the sort of membership terms it has always wanted and is justified in demanding.


time will tell of course, and at the moment i am sitting on the fence but with both feet on the brexit side, whereas a week ago my feet were on the remain side.

i think we should call their bluff, for they need us more than we need them.

any recession, currency collapse or outbreak of bubonic plague would be but a temporary blip and whatever happens it could not be worse than a labour government led by corbyn or macdonald.

You misunderstand but being an obdurate Yorkshire tyke this is quite normal.
One either has free movement and the right to services in each member state or one does not and if that occurs then the thing is broken.

The British people are largely incapable of comprehending their insignificance to the rest of the world. Britain exports to the EU 60% of its manufacturing contribution to annual GDP. The Germans and French have already stated that upon full Brexit, as demanded by the fuckwits of Britain, they will fuck the UK.Tariffs will be imposed on British goods but given the British dependence on imports the financial controls will not be reciprocated however the devaluation of the £, concomitant to a full Brexit, will mean those imports will all be that much more expensive.

The juxtaposed controls in Coquelles etc will be abandoned and all the economic migrants demanding to enter the UK will flood in - the French will simply state it is not their problem anymore and quite right too - the French have already stated this.

Just about every economic pundit of any worth, and all the money markets from the US to fucking Japan, have illustrated the £ will fall by 30 % - the merest fucking hint that a Brexit might occur lost us 12% alone - and shall remain at that level for the foreseeable.


It is universally understood that Scotland will gain its independence in the event of a Brexit.

The UK will cease to be and its currency will be permanently devalued. Your "blip" is no more than wishful thinking.

Only a fucking moron would vote to quit the largest trading bloc in the world with all its protections and values.

As I said, Brexit is for fuckwits.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

the £ will devalue sharply and reach parity with the $, inflation will be imported, the economy will shrink accordingly and the process of re-aligning our tariffs with new markets will be a long drawn out affair blighting the next ten years,

Join the € EURO € and stop whining. You can't have your cake and eat it

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Scotland will secede and N.Ireland will become even more of a desperate backwater rotting in isolation,

There is no colonialism in the EU.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

wine will become expensive again

Now that's what I call an arguement.
What about beer for the dumb folks

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

and we'll pay more for our cars and probably everything else we fucking import given the £ will be worth diddlysquat.

Join the @ € or start singing "The Queen" song. On your mark...get set...go...

Amen...

3 days to go before UK self fuck,

self fuck you say, whilst you belgian no hopers have been reamed, creamed, steamed and dry cleaned for the benefit of the germans and the french for the past 20 years.

what has the eu done for you? other than fill your squalid slums with an underclass of ungrateful kebab munching ragheads slavering to kill the lot of you.

belgium! pah, its become nothing more than a sub-district of westphalia.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

sod it, I can't be bothered typing any more.

Surely a blessing for the entire readership ?

^ I can only hope its true. But eurofools have a habit of lying..

Originally Posted by can123

Originally Posted by DrB0b

sod it, I can't be bothered typing any more.

Surely a blessing for the entire readership ?

Originally Posted by longway

^ I can only hope its true. But eurofools have a habit of lying..

If you two are feeling frustrated you could always go murder an MP, maybe stab a pensioner while you're at it. You wouldn't be the first with your beliefs to do that. Britain First, eh?

^ Oh what a surprise.

Still here and still trying to use a young woman's death to further your political beliefs. Very classy.

Originally Posted by longway

^ Oh what a surprise.

Still here and still trying to use a young woman's death to further your political beliefs. Very classy.

Anybody else here remember Roderick Spode and the Black Shorts? Who would have thought Plum was a prophet!

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by longway

^ Oh what a surprise.

Still here and still trying to use a young woman's death to further your political beliefs. Very classy.

Anybody else here remember Roderick Spode and the Black Shorts? Who would have thought Plum was a prophet!

When you are in a hole, the best thing to do is to stop digging.