Thread: The U.K and the E.U - In or out?

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Got a vote yet, Steptoe, or are you still just blowing hot air?

Well well back with the usual insults , were's your usual parting shot Fuck off Piwanoi ? yeah reading this and your post 717 and Longways 719 reply to it leads me to believe that your Europhile opinions are totally unstoppable

Asking you if you've got a vote yet is insulting? You're awfully thin-skinned there. I ask you again, do you have a vote or are you just waffling?

To even ask that question which I have already given the answer to ,you are either pissed again or suffering from a severe case of Alzheimer's ,maybe a combination of both

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Got a vote yet, Steptoe, or are you still just blowing hot air?

Well well back with the usual insults , were's your usual parting shot Fuck off Piwanoi ? yeah reading this and your post 717 and Longways 719 reply to it leads me to believe that your Europhile opinions are totally unstoppable

Asking you if you've got a vote yet is insulting? You're awfully thin-skinned there. I ask you again, do you have a vote or are you just waffling?

To even ask that question which I have already given the answer to ,you are either pissed again or suffering from a severe case of Alzheimer's ,maybe a combination of both

Just wanted to point out your hypocrisy again.

Yeah sure , I believe you Implicitly

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Well well back with the usual insults , were's your usual parting shot Fuck off Piwanoi ? yeah reading this and your post 717 and Longways 719 reply to it leads me to believe that your Europhile opinions are totally unstoppable

Asking you if you've got a vote yet is insulting? You're awfully thin-skinned there. I ask you again, do you have a vote or are you just waffling?

To even ask that question which I have already given the answer to ,you are either pissed again or suffering from a severe case of Alzheimer's ,maybe a combination of both

Just wanted to point out your hypocrisy again.

Yeah sure , I believe you Implicitly

So, thousands of posts on British politics, strong if dim opinions, weeks spent writing your opinions online. Clearly you care deeply about these issues. Remind us again why you couldn't be bothered taking the two or three minutes required to register to vote every year.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Asking you if you've got a vote yet is insulting? You're awfully thin-skinned there. I ask you again, do you have a vote or are you just waffling?

To even ask that question which I have already given the answer to ,you are either pissed again or suffering from a severe case of Alzheimer's ,maybe a combination of both

Just wanted to point out your hypocrisy again.

Yeah sure , I believe you Implicitly

So, thousands of posts on British politics, strong if dim opinions, weeks spent writing your opinions online. Clearly you care deeply about these issues. Remind us again why you couldn't be bothered taking the two or three minutes required to register to vote every year.

May I refer you to longways excellent Character reference of you in his post 719 ,over and out ,now go and pester some other member .

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

Britain would gain more from leaving the EU than it would lose, billionaire entrepreneur Sir James Dyson has said. The inventor said the idea that Britain could not trade successfully outside the EU was "absolute cobblers". He said the single market did not work because exporters had to adapt products like his to cater for different languages and different types of plugs. Britain Stronger in Europe said: "James Dyson wanted the UK to join the euro. He was wrong then and he is wrong now." Speaking to the Daily Telegraph, Sir James, who is best known for designing a bagless vacuum cleaner, said the UK "will create more wealth and more jobs by being outside the EU than we will within it". "When the Remain campaign tells us no-one will trade with us if we leave the EU, sorry, it's absolute cobblers. Our trade imbalance with Europe is running at £9bn a month and rising. If this trend continues, that is £100bn a year." Sir James argued that if, after a vote to leave, the EU imposed a 10% tariff on UK goods, Britain would do the same on imported EU goods. He said that because Britain imported far more from the EU than it exported there, it would bring in an extra £10bn a year for the UK.

A couple of interesting ideas for the leave campaigners to grasp, but a little too simplistic for my liking.

The UK has an alarming trade deficit, as shown by the Govt figures linked to by PAG. It shows £16bn for June and the deficit is with EU and Non-EU trade. The UK has been losing its manufacturing sector for the last 50 years or so and been pretty reliant on Brent Crude to keep the trade deficit within reasonable limits. This oil resource is not only diminishing, but has lost quite some value this year, hence one reason for this growing trade deficit.

The arguments re EU needs us more than we need them or like-for-like tariffs is too simplistic and not strictly true. The EU losses w.r.t. GDP are far less than the UK losses and different tariffs apply for different types of goods.

I am not sure how the UK is going to tackle the trade deficit problem, inside or outside the EU, but going out on a limb whilst carrying such a problem is showing a less than considered attitude. In short, the time is not quite as right as Boris et al would have you believe.

The ways to tackle the deficit? Reduce the strength of the Pound; increase taxes and/or constrain wages to reduce personal spending. Increase growth with an increase in cheap labour...

I can see any/all of the above dealt out quite rationally by the UK Government under the rationale that you asked for it when you asked to leave the EU. They will be under immense pressure not to do the same if the vote is Remain.

On a humanitarian note, I think the refugee crisis in Syria and neighbouring countries is the worst since the Second World War and the UK should be actively helping by taking in more refugees. I think that this should be considered above all other types of migrants as a matter of urgency.

The conspiracy of silence , and with Immigration being one of the Major issue's Just some more votes for Brexit one would think ,Farage blasts BBC and police for failing to publicise Syrian sex assault case | UK | News | Daily Express

This Pat Condell video is NOT about Islam ,its just plain speak on how we in the UK have meekly surrenderd our Democracy thanks to weak kneed UK politicians who are shit scared of saying boo to the faceless unelected bureaucrats of Brussels

^ Any one who is in favour of Brexit should watch this video

Having met up with many family members who are mainly miners, steelworkers and dockers I was very surprised to discover that they intend voting against their respective unions recommendations. They are all voting out.

Very good Piwanoi. Pat's right again.

Thought i'd have a punt today seeing as thought they've slashed the odds again, not sure about the seconds bet on my double..









Wish i'd bet on Wales now

Shock vid Piwanoi and the Coward clip by Pat.

That's it I'm out.Too risky too stupid to stay in now.

It's the end of the world as we knew it.

Not even a sniff of change from EU.
A disaster coming methinks.

Originally Posted by billy the kid

Shock vid Piwanoi and the Coward clip by Pat.

That's it I'm out.Too risky too stupid to stay in now.

It's the end of the world as we knew it.

Not even a sniff of change from EU.
A disaster coming methinks.

Disaster Billy? the way I see it it will be like getting divorced from a cow of a wife who has taken all your money and domineered you for donkeys years ,me? I wanna break free

Originally Posted by Troy

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

Britain would gain more from leaving the EU than it would lose, billionaire entrepreneur Sir James Dyson has said. The inventor said the idea that Britain could not trade successfully outside the EU was "absolute cobblers". He said the single market did not work because exporters had to adapt products like his to cater for different languages and different types of plugs. Britain Stronger in Europe said: "James Dyson wanted the UK to join the euro. He was wrong then and he is wrong now." Speaking to the Daily Telegraph, Sir James, who is best known for designing a bagless vacuum cleaner, said the UK "will create more wealth and more jobs by being outside the EU than we will within it". "When the Remain campaign tells us no-one will trade with us if we leave the EU, sorry, it's absolute cobblers. Our trade imbalance with Europe is running at £9bn a month and rising. If this trend continues, that is £100bn a year." Sir James argued that if, after a vote to leave, the EU imposed a 10% tariff on UK goods, Britain would do the same on imported EU goods. He said that because Britain imported far more from the EU than it exported there, it would bring in an extra £10bn a year for the UK.

A couple of interesting ideas for the leave campaigners to grasp, but a little too simplistic for my liking.

The UK has an alarming trade deficit, as shown by the Govt figures linked to by PAG. It shows £16bn for June and the deficit is with EU and Non-EU trade. The UK has been losing its manufacturing sector for the last 50 years or so and been pretty reliant on Brent Crude to keep the trade deficit within reasonable limits. This oil resource is not only diminishing, but has lost quite some value this year, hence one reason for this growing trade deficit.

The arguments re EU needs us more than we need them or like-for-like tariffs is too simplistic and not strictly true. The EU losses w.r.t. GDP are far less than the UK losses and different tariffs apply for different types of goods.

I am not sure how the UK is going to tackle the trade deficit problem, inside or outside the EU, but going out on a limb whilst carrying such a problem is showing a less than considered attitude. In short, the time is not quite as right as Boris et al would have you believe.

The ways to tackle the deficit? Reduce the strength of the Pound; increase taxes and/or constrain wages to reduce personal spending. Increase growth with an increase in cheap labour...

I can see any/all of the above dealt out quite rationally by the UK Government under the rationale that you asked for it when you asked to leave the EU. They will be under immense pressure not to do the same if the vote is Remain.

On a humanitarian note, I think the refugee crisis in Syria and neighbouring countries is the worst since the Second World War and the UK should be actively helping by taking in more refugees. I think that this should be considered above all other types of migrants as a matter of urgency.

The usual half assed rambling b.s. that poses for insightful commentary in his head.

The remain crowd have been exposed, the reason they want to stay is they are terrified of what the Germans will do to us in retaliation if we dare to choose to leave. And that's cameroon to a t, he's is shitting himself, he should represent us, and at least present the facts, instead he chose scare tactics. What a c****.

Yeah he's shitting his pant's alright and rightly so , he's now resorting to scare tactics among the vulnerable , our OAP's all to protect his job cos if its brexit he's Toast , his big problem is that many labour voters who hate his guts any way are all for getting out , and what more a fitting song called "The Final Countdown"" by a Group called Europe , or could that be "the end of Europe"

Half an hour after posting i watched Michael Heseltine in an interview on HARDtalk.
Making the case for remaining.
He makes a case for apocalyptic outcome should we leave.
And he seemed to make a lot of sense.

I listen to one scenario for brexit and 5 mins later another for remaining equally as
powerful.
Heseltine was the tory who turned things around in Liverpool when it was going down the toilet and he always seemed like a decent spud among tories.

Now i'm back to square one and totally confused about how to vote.

In his book the case for brexit would be disastrous for the average Joe.

Heseltine is one of the very few i have some respect for in his over 60 yrs in the political arena.
The thought of Gove, Johnson and Duncan Smith running the show doesn't fill me with any confidence. Scary muthers the 3 of them.

So the mods can scrap my previous post as i still have to make my mind up AGAIN.

Yes i like Condell but how much does he really know.

The world is changing big time.

Really i'm looking at 20, 30 yrs down the line and the big picture.

Time is running out and need to hear of reforms sharpish.

When I read or listen/watch both sides of this debate, all of whom profess to have the interests of the UK at heart, I'm sometimes reminded of one of the well known quotes of Samuel Johnson, "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel".

In fact, Johnson was much more than remembered 'one liners'. On the topic of 'Patriotism', he wrote (remembering that this was in the mid 1700's but somehow can be put into context of both sides of the Brexit debate, this is an example:

"A man sometimes starts up a patriot, only by disseminating discontent, and propagating reports of secret influence, of dangerous counsels, of violated rights, and encroaching usurpation. This practice is no certain note of patriotism. To instigate the populace with rage beyond the provocation, is to suspend publick happiness, if not to destroy it. He is no lover of his country, that unnecessarily disturbs its peace. Few errours and few faults of government, can justify an appeal to the rabble; who ought not to judge of what they cannot understand, and whose opinions are not propagated by reason, but caught by contagion."

Having read many of his quotes on patriotism, they still have contextual meaning and not a little wisdom. If anyone's interested, have a read through these:

The Samuel Johnson Sound Bite Page: Quotes on Patriotism

Originally Posted by longway

The usual half assed rambling b.s. that poses for insightful commentary in his head.

Vetiver....

If you have Euros and think Remain will win the vote then this is the time to buy some Pounds. Cash them in after the Pound recovers as the markets heave a sigh of relief.

If you think Brexit will win then make your killing after the vote .... should drop pretty quick and take a while to get back to normal.

Hope you pensioners in Thailand aren't on too tight a budget if Brexit wins....

Disaster whether we stay or leave.

Democracy seems like an empty word now.

When 23% can get a government elected like with last uk election.

77% left out of decision making.

Originally Posted by Takeovers

overall the EU may well be the lesser evil.

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Yes with a lot of reform to suit all sides. Compromise has to be the way to go.

Originally Posted by Troy

Originally Posted by longway

The usual half assed rambling b.s. that poses for insightful commentary in his head.

Vetiver....

If you have Euros and think Remain will win the vote then this is the time to buy some Pounds. Cash them in after the Pound recovers as the markets heave a sigh of relief.

If you think Brexit will win then make your killing after the vote .... should drop pretty quick and take a while to get back to normal.

Hope you pensioners in Thailand aren't on too tight a budget if Brexit wins....

I am buying a house soon, and I transferred my deposit over long before it was required, because I knew the pound was going to take a dive. I fact in the past year I have transferred money on all the upticks, and at the end of this year I reckon I will have some spare baht which I can send back to UK, and hopefully get the timing right on the currency changes.

Originally Posted by billy the kid

Half an hour after posting i watched Michael Heseltine in an interview on HARDtalk.
Making the case for remaining.
He makes a case for apocalyptic outcome should we leave.
And he seemed to make a lot of sense.

I listen to one scenario for brexit and 5 mins later another for remaining equally as
powerful.
Heseltine was the tory who turned things around in Liverpool when it was going down the toilet and he always seemed like a decent spud among tories.

Now i'm back to square one and totally confused about how to vote.

In his book the case for brexit would be disastrous for the average Joe.

Heseltine is one of the very few i have some respect for in his over 60 yrs in the political arena.
The thought of Gove, Johnson and Duncan Smith running the show doesn't fill me with any confidence. Scary muthers the 3 of them.

So the mods can scrap my previous post as i still have to make my mind up AGAIN.

Yes i like Condell but how much does he really know.

The world is changing big time.

Really i'm looking at 20, 30 yrs down the line and the big picture.

Time is running out and need to hear of reforms sharpish.

That's the problem, there is no-one in a position of knowledge that you can trust anymore. I have no opinion on Heseltine.

What swung it for me was the migration pattern, if it keeps up this way it is it will have unknowable and far reaching changes, and if this issue is brought up in any context, you will be met with nothing but abuse, and nothing of substance can be discussed.

I am going to have a son soon and what will happen to him if the UK is a mess in 20-30 years time?

The EU can't be reformed for the simple reason it doesn't want to be. Unless your dream/vision is for a United State of Europe with a single government governing the whole continent then the whole project was doomed to failure from day 1. You can't have a one fits all monetary and economic policy for such diverse economies, would the Southern Europe states be in the mess they are in now if they'd been able to devalue the drachma, lire, peso etc. to help their exports and attract tourism as opposed to having a strong Euro which basically only helps Germany.