Thread: The U.K and the E.U - In or out?

Originally Posted by taxexile

it is a huge gamble that will be decided on the often ridiculous prejudices and false perceptions of the mostly bone headed, blinkered and poorly informed population

True to some extent, but that is democracy at work - and a poorly informed population is a failure of politicians.

Originally Posted by taxexile

.. of england.

and Scotland, and Wales and Northern Ireland?

Originally Posted by Ronin

Originally Posted by helge

Wrong

You are but then like so many you would rather rant and believe half-truths than examine the facts!

0,0003 % of BNP ?

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by helge

Originally Posted by DrB0b

0.5% of GDP. 26p per day each for visa-free travel, health insurance throughout the EU, a single market for business and the freedom to live, work, and retire in any EU country, not a bad deal. .

So,, how many pence per day to provide these services to your wandering EU compatriots ?

You haven't got the numbers, do you ?

What?

A couple of things:

Every EU citizen who comes to Denmark has the right to claim benefits.

After 1 month they can/or could claim un-employment benefits.

I would have to wait 1 year, and prove that I had work during that period.

They can claim child support for their kids back home.

I couldn't get shit for my halfbreeds.


A yes, I have to provide everything for the wife for the next 7 years, and had to pay the sum of 53000 kroner as a guaranty.


Do you get my drift ?

I work with other EU citizens almost every day, and don't mind that, if they aren't dumping wages here.
Good people most of them, but..

I bet you that your '26 p' doesn't cover the costs of being the idealist you are.


And please don't play your 'right wing looney' card to me.

The EU is as Anti-Socialistic as any right winger could ask for.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

sod it, I can't be bothered typing any more.

Surely a blessing for the entire readership ?

^ I can only hope its true. But eurofools have a habit of lying..

Originally Posted by can123

Originally Posted by DrB0b

sod it, I can't be bothered typing any more.

Surely a blessing for the entire readership ?

Originally Posted by longway

^ I can only hope its true. But eurofools have a habit of lying..

If you two are feeling frustrated you could always go murder an MP, maybe stab a pensioner while you're at it. You wouldn't be the first with your beliefs to do that. Britain First, eh?

^ Oh what a surprise.

Still here and still trying to use a young woman's death to further your political beliefs. Very classy.

Originally Posted by longway

^ Oh what a surprise.

Still here and still trying to use a young woman's death to further your political beliefs. Very classy.

Anybody else here remember Roderick Spode and the Black Shorts? Who would have thought Plum was a prophet!

THE TRUTH ABOUT THE LATE JO COX MP AND HER HUSBAND, BRENDAN
JUNE 19, 2016 THE HOLISTIC WORKS
by Annie Dieu-Le-Veut

I’ve always believed that one should not speak ill of the dead – and especially someone so brutally murdered as was Jo Cox MP on Thursday. But when that dead person is being deified out of all proportion– rather as Princess Diana was after her death – by a mainstream media hand-in-glove with a prime minister who is desperate to create false hysteria in order to sway the most important decision of our generation – our vote in the EU referendum – then something has to be said, and it is this:

We’re being told what a truly, extraordinarily wonderful person Jo Cox was, because her life was devoted to helping refugees. I’m sure she was a very sweet person – her face shows that. But how wise and truly aware was she? Today, with her body barely cold, her husband Brendan Cox is tweeting out a Go Fund Me link to his wife’s ‘favourite causes’ and one of those is the White Helmets.

The White Helmets is not a charity, and neither are they ‘the good guys’ despite their white helmets. The White Helmets is the military propaganda arm of the Allies attempt at regime change by destabilising Syria – and this is exactly what is causing the refugee component of Europe’s migrant crisis in the first place.

Watch video about The White Helmets

The White Helmets also does not need our hard-earned cash. It is well-funded by George Soros’s organisations, the UK, the US and the Syrian Opposition Party in its work, which is mainly with the rebel group Jabat al-Nusra, the infamous al-Qaeda affiliate.

The White Helmets are represented PR-wise by Purpose whose co-founder Jeremy Heimans also helped to create Avaaz. Avaaz is a global “pro-democracy” group which has been accused of furthering the US/EU agenda in the Middle East and elsewhere. It is also Avaaz that it encouraging, on social media, a sort of hands-around-the-world show of sympathy for Jo Cox today.

white helmets
The PR ‘human face’ of The White Helmets
The unvarnished truth is that what we had in Jo Cox, at the very least and to put it charitably, is someone who was so busy paving the road with good intentions that she didn’t look up to see that they were leading to Hell.

The Hell was only 11 miles from her own constituency, where white children were falling victim to a large Muslim paedophile ring – their presence in Halifax no doubt largely due to liberal and unrealistic sentiments like Jo’s, and others associated with NGOs like the White Helmets.

Added to that, tens of thousands of children have gone missing in Europe because of woolly-minded liberal NGOs encouraging mass migration and open borders, according to UNICEF. And then there is the phenomenon of Taharrush, public mass gang raping of European women by Muslim men.

Selective compassion
According to Frances Carr Begby of the Occidental Observer, it looks as if Jo suffered from what is known as ‘selective compassion’.

“Jo Cox wanted to make the world a better place and it was a cause for which she was willing to travel halfway across the globe. Whether consoling rape victims in Darfur or bombed out villagers in Afghanistan, it seemed the jet-setting international aid worker was rarely far from the action.

“Lately it had been the struggle of Syrian war refugees to get to the West that touched her heart, and their plight was a subject she returned to again and again after becoming a Member of Parliament. It seemed there was no victims anywhere she could not empathise with.”

In her maiden speech to Parliament, Jo Cox said:

“Our communities have been deeply enhanced by immigration, be it of Irish Catholics across the constituency or of Muslims from Gujarat in India or from Pakistan, principally from Kashmir. While we celebrate our diversity, what surprises me time and time again as I travel around the constituency is that we are far more united and have far more in common with each other than things that divide us.”

On Thursday evening, the day that Jo Cox was murdered, reporting restrictions were lifted on the fact that a 13-man strong Muslim paedophile ring in Halifax was being sentenced to a total of more than 150 years at Leeds Crown Court. It was a good day for burying bad news.

The day before that, Jo and her husband Brendan and their two children were part of multi-millionaire Bob Geldof’s floating gin palace-led flotilla, on the Thames, from which, on behalf of Stronger In Europe, Geldof led a load of drunken oiks in haranguing and verbally abusing our out-of-work fishermen.

Undemocratic elite
Brendan Cox had to resign from the charity Save the Children fund in November 2015 over allegations of behaving inappropriately with female members of staff. He denied the allegations, but left anyway.

In the same year, Save the Children USA presented Tony Blair with a ‘global legacy award’.

Now there are calls from a few over-sentimental types in Parliament for Brendan Cox to be ‘shoed-in’ to his wife’s safe Labour Batley seat. This would be totally undemocratic – according to the laws of this land. There has to be a by-election – but these people who benefit from the EU NGO gravy train have no respect for the democratic process or for what the rank and file, working class Brits think. They are tearing to shreds all our rights – and then they wonder why we don’t like them, and want to vote them out on Thursday.

As Morgoth’s Review brilliantly put it in The Jo Cox Murder and the Liberal Elite:

“The liberal classes, media and political, have an agenda which is objectively false and they will vilify and attack anyone who disagrees and attempts to push a counter narrative.

“The liberal classes are truly detested by a massive number of British people and they, the liberals, are unable to understand why …

“…The problem we face is that the liberal establishment are not just seen to be living in merely an ivory tower or bubble, but in a dark and sinister castle. The decrees and morality which they foist down onto the general population are not ‘humanitarian’ or in any sense morally justifiable; it is ill conceived lunacy at best, genocidal at worst.”

The Halifax Muslim child rape gang was just one of many now operating across the Labour heartlands of northern England that are, largely, being ignored or covered up by social services workers, police and politicians. At the Leeds trial, only 13 of the men were convicted, despite more than one hundred being arrested.

Bleeding hearts like Jo often don’t realise that it is their do-gooding actions which create far worse problems if the consequences are not properly thought through.

Was Jo silent on the children being abused because of the number of Muslims in her constituency? Or was her cognitive dissonance somehow connected to the political aims of one of her ‘favourite causes’, the White Helmets?

Whatever the reason, we need to prise off the white knuckled grasp of this unelected, EU-funded, do-gooding, unrealistic liberal elite from the helm of the ship of state, before they steer us into a whirlpool from which we will never escape. There’s only one way – we must vote Leave on Thursday.

https://theholisticworks.com/2016/06...sband-brendan/

Government bonds are usually a safe place for people to park their money in times of economic uncertainty. But how uncertain must times be if German investors are buying up government bonds for almost no returns? That's what happened this past week - the return on the 10-year "German Bund" fell below zero for the first time ever, meaning people are effectively paying the German government for the privilege of holding their money.

It is politics. It is a gross political failure on the part of European leaders and of the European Union.

Yanis Varoufakis, former Greek finance minister

This is something that hasn't been seen before and seems to indicate that Europe's economic problems are not going away. Low interest rates in combination with the new bond purchase phenomenon points to the issues becoming even worse, yet again.

Former Greek Finance Minister Yanis Varoufakis claims that Europe has failed in responding rationally to the initial crisis, and has actually placed itself in a further downward-facing trajectory.

With EU investment rates at an historic low and saving rates at an historic high, interest rates will continue to plummet unless Europe is able to mobilise investments, says Varoufakis.

Varoufakis also pinpoints the dangers Europe's deflating economy poses to the world economy, including China, the US, and emerging markets.

But with political egos clashing and attempts to lay plans for future growth becoming secondary to government restructuring, will Europe seek improvement and change before it's too late?

Also on this episode of Counting the Cost:

Saudi Arabia into the future: With only eight months left of President Barack Obama's tenure in the Oval Office and Saudi Arabia's displeasure with the current US administration very publicly known, what were Saudi officials aiming to achieve in their most recent visit to Washington? We take a look at Saudi Vision 2030 - the plan to diversify Saudi Arabia away from oil. As the oil price recovers, will Saudi Arabia stick to the plan of privatisation and creating employment outside of the public sector? And, more importantly, will the US continue to be an economic and political ally throughout?

Russia out in the cold: President of the European Commission Jean-Claude Juncker caused a lot of controversy this week as he sat centre-stage with the UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon at the St Petersburg International Economic Forum. Russia remains under international sanctions after the annexation of Crimea - but hundreds of businessmen flew in to do one thing: make deals.

China and Mexico's amber alert: The Chinese thirst for luxury goods, and in particular the precious stone amber, set the Mexican state of Chiapas alight. Miners in Simojovel, a municipality of Chiapas - Mexico's poorest state - dig in ungoverned caves, without any safety measures to protect them. But as Chinese interest rises, middle men and due violence interrupt the workflow from miner to buyer, making labourers the least likely to benefit from the resources in their own land.

How was the trip the pub Bob?

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by longway

^ Oh what a surprise.

Still here and still trying to use a young woman's death to further your political beliefs. Very classy.

Anybody else here remember Roderick Spode and the Black Shorts? Who would have thought Plum was a prophet!

When you are in a hole, the best thing to do is to stop digging.

Originally Posted by taxexile

that there is nobody, absolutely nobody, who can say with any certainty what will happen should england vote to leave the eu.

Within the last week a top ex military man comes out and says he has changed from remain to brexit because staying in means we will be part a european military force and that would be disastrous for the uk.
Yesterday Cameron comes out and says we will never be part a european military force.
For the first time i have no idea wtf i'm voting for. in or out.
And this is how it's been all the way through this campaign.

Feel like tearing up the vote card and chucking it in the bin. it's crazy.

And the circus surrounding Jo Cox is just disgusting, disgraceful behavior. bs.

Descending into madness this is.

Bewildered.

The head teacher had the kids saying wether they should be in or out at assembly this morning,hmmm.
Then on the way home the god bothering types were stood outside their church's with placards saying Remain Unity and peace.
I was tempted to make my own placards saying Leave, unity and peace.
Or in,out shake it all about!

Originally Posted by Neverna

but that is democracy at work

Dunno this is a farce. who is the best bull-shitter liar, con artist.
Demockracy. This democracy is dead surely.

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

Or in,out shake it all about!

An MP in Canada breaks down and cries, shaking uncontrollably in Parliament over the death of Jo Cox. What on earth was that all about ?
All crowding around patting him on the back; there there, there there, dry ure eyes.

Originally Posted by piwanoi

undoubtedly post of the month

yes good read.

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

Yanis Varoufakis

Didn't he say we should remain in EU ?

...a very agreeable comment, copy and paste from the article....

Margaret Chappell
JUNE 20, 2016 AT 7:51 PM
"Though murder is a horrible and inexcusable act, I have to say that all this maudlin heroine worship of Jo Cox(of whom I had never heard of until now seems to be totally OTT. Just over a year in parliament,no matter how hard working, would give a J0an of Arc status. given that the government hierarchy and cliques that exist are notoriously hard to crack. Considering there are 680 (Ithink) MPs. the greatest majority would have no idea who she was. Most of the time the house is virtually empty and I doubt David Cameron himself (he of the furrowed brow and tight lips suppressing emotion as he carried his flowers} has barely said half a dozen words to Jo Cox after her maiden speech."

Originally Posted by billy the kid

Originally Posted by Neverna

but that is democracy at work

Dunno this is a farce. who is the best bull-shitter liar, con artist.
Demockracy. This democracy is dead surely.

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

Or in,out shake it all about!

An MP in Canada breaks down and cries, shaking uncontrollably in Parliament over the death of Jo Cox. What on earth was that all about ?
All crowding around patting him on the back; there there, there there, dry ure eyes.

Unless he knew her personally, and even then, all it is is what is called 'virtue signalling'.

A video clip from the best political commentator in the USA, Brit John Oliver.


“It is hard for me to overstate to you how poisonous things have become in England."

^ Case study in virtue signalling. Actually thats very unfair, he is cool, I like him and Maher, they are both very funny.

I lke the part with Bam Bam 03:05

Manchester Labour Politician Graham Stringer has the right Idea EU referendum: 'Why I am voting leave' - Graham Stringer - - Manchester Evening News

Just 2 days left and it's a dead heat if polls can be believed. Stock market is up and the pound had it's biggest gain since 2008.