Thread: 9/11 was an inside job

^^Where does he say that?

Originally Posted by ENT

^^Where does he say that?

yeah, where did I say that?

Originally Posted by attaboy

So championing kook conspiracies will expose Bush and his gang? I'd think it would cause people to tune you out.

The rest of the world doesn't "tune out" because it's the rest of the world you're fucking up - they can't. You can tune out because, well you have to, otherwise how could you sleep at night?

Originally Posted by ENT

The earth observatory at Columbia University, Palisades NY issued a report and analysis of seismic readings for the time frame window indicated by news reports and the Pentagon for a claimed airliner crash into the Pentagon building on 9th Sept. 2001.

The report concludes that there is no evidence to support that claim. Seismograph readings indicate only what is interpreted as strong electrical signals c.45 seconds after the estimated time given by the Pentagon.

Quote: "Predicted P- and S-wave arrivals across the network are indicated by dotted lines for a presumed origin time of 13:38:09 EDT. There is no clear seismic signals which can be associated with the airplane crash into the Pentagon."

Let's hear some actual comments about the interpretation of their data from scientists at Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory of Columbia University, like Won-Young Kim, senior research scientist; Arthur Lerner-Lam, associate director - which, are in fact, the scientists your "research" referenced:

"There is no scientific basis for the conclusion that explosions brought down the towers," Lerner-Lam tells PM. "That representation of our work is categorically incorrect and not in context."

Incorrect and out-of-context presentation of quotes. By 9/11 conspiracy theorists?

Who'd have thought!

What ? You say that seismographs registered the enormous WTC buildings collapsing directly at 90 degrees onto the ground, and a plane flying into the ground in pennsylvania. But you say that because there was no clear reading from a plane flying SIDEWAYS (ie. not directly into the earth) into a building that absorbed the impact through it's 4 rings, that this is some kind of evidence that such a thing didn't happen ?
That's plain stupid.
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On and FWIW, the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory of Columbia University never provided any analysis of Pentagon crash data seismic signals, because there were none.

Hence, why their quoted statement of: "There is no clear seismic signals which can be associated with the airplane crash into the Pentagon" statement is correct - though not in the falsified context that ENT provides it at.

In fact, Lamont-Doherty never released any statement that said, verbatim: "There is no clear seismic signals which can be associated with the airplane crash into the Pentagon".

What their release *actually* stated was "These waveform data indicate that we could not identify seismic signals associated with the plane impact into the Pentagon on September 11, 2001."


Why might seismic data not be available?

Large Airliner Crashes Don

Large Airliner Crashes Don’t Necessarily Generate Recordable Seismic Data

"Analysis of Seismic Records for Pentagon Attack

It was reported by the New York Times (B9, 10/06/2001) that at 09:36 (EDT) the crew of a military C-130 plane identified a Boeing 767 moving low and very fast, and that the plane crashed into the southwest side of the Pentagon at 09:38 (EDT). We collected seismic records from all available seismographic stations in the Northeastern United States around the Pentagon (Table 1; Figure 1) in the hope of verifying or accurately pinpointing the time of impact.

The nearest station to the Pentagon is SDMD (Soldier’s Delight) in Baltimore County, Maryland (
= 62.8 km) that has been operational since the late summer of 2001. The station was installed and is operated by the Maryland Geological Survey. It is part of the Lamont-Doherty Cooperative Seismographic Network (LCSN) that monitors earthquakes in the Northeast. The second closest station to the Pentagon is CBN (Corbin, Virginia,
= 78.9 km).

However, this station did not produce useful waveform data for the time window, because this seismographic station records data only when seismic signals are detected.

Figure 2 shows seismic records at the three nearest stations around the Pentagon with distance ranges from 63 to 208 km. Three minutes of vertical-component seismic records from 09:36:30 (EDT) to 09:39:30 (EDT) are plotted. There appears to be strong seismic signals around 09:38:52 at station MVL (Millersville, Pa;
= 139 km), but the signals are too high frequency (5-10 Hz) and too high amplitude (328 nm/s at 139 km). Hence, it appears be noise perhaps due to electrical disturbances.

Otherwise, there are no clear and consistent seismic wave arrivals in this time window.

Figure 3 shows seismic record section for records shown in Figure 2. These displays facilitate analysis of seismic signals by displaying a suite of records in order by distance. Hence, the seismic phase Pg (P waves propagating through Earth’s crust) would propagate with nearly constant speed of about 6 km/s over the record section, where as the phase Pn (critically refracted P waves propagating through top of the uppermost mantle) propagates with an apparent speed of about 8 km/s.

Hence, the consistency of seismic phases across a seismograph network is the key to discern if there are any seismic signals generated during the plane impact into the Pentagon. These waveform data indicate that we could not identify seismic signals associated with the plane impact into the Pentagon on September 11, 2001."

Originally Posted by Latindancer

What ? You say that seismographs registered the enormous WTC buildings collapsing directly at 90 degrees onto the ground, and a plane flying into the ground in pennsylvania. But you say that because there was no clear reading from a plane flying SIDEWAYS (ie. not directly into the earth) into a building that absorbed the impact through it's 4 rings, that this is some kind of evidence that such a thing didn't happen ?
That's plain stupid.
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Yeah, *PHYSICS* seems to consistently be a weak spot for these guys.

Duh ! A sideways impact into a building which absorbed the force is different from a vertical of near-vertical impact....duh

BTW, we're still waiting for your description of what you think actually happened at the Pentagon, ENT. How did the building get damaged ? How did plane parts get suddenly scattered everywhere, including embedded in the building ? Previously you said it was a missile.
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Originally Posted by Cthulhu

Originally Posted by Latindancer

What ? You say that seismographs registered the enormous WTC buildings collapsing directly at 90 degrees onto the ground, and a plane flying into the ground in pennsylvania. But you say that because there was no clear reading from a plane flying SIDEWAYS (ie. not directly into the earth) into a building that absorbed the impact through it's 4 rings, that this is some kind of evidence that such a thing didn't happen ?
That's plain stupid.
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Yeah, *PHYSICS* seems to consistently be a weak spot for these guys.

Looks to me like that tit in your avatar is defying gravity. Physics be damned!

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Looks to me like that tit in your avatar is defying gravity. Physics be damned!

That's not a tit --- THAT'S A MISSILE!!!!

Read the report which says;

"There is no clear seismic signals which can be associated with the airplane crash into the Pentagon."

http://www.mgs.md.gov/esic/publicati...11pentagon.pdf

I think ENT's mind overtook him on the last bend.

Yes, we can see that, ENT. The plane flew into the building sideways, not directly down onto the earth.

Lack of clear seismic evidence does not prove anything, except that seismographs did not pick it up.



BTW, we're still waiting for your description of what you think actually happened at the Pentagon, ENT. How did the building get damaged ? How did plane parts get suddenly scattered everywhere, including embedded in the building ? Previously you said it was a missile.
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Originally Posted by ENT

Read the report which says;

"There is no clear seismic signals which can be associated with the airplane crash into the Pentagon."

http://www.mgs.md.gov/esic/publicati...11pentagon.pdf

You're not too good with that whole "paying attention" bit, are you?

Oh, right -- "figurative speech problems with Aspergers kids like yourself"

Never mind.

Oh yeah, ENT, where is your personal view and description of what happened? You know, in clearly written, self-composed style.

Kinda like what I wrote right here:

https://teakdoor.com/the-teakdoor-lou...ml#post2135842

Are you even capable of writing any type of reasonable essay that doesn't degenrate into ad hominem insults, or is composed of nothing but copy/paste?

I don't think you are capable.

We analyzed seismic records from five stations in the northeastern United States, ranging from 63 to 350 km from the Pentagon. Despite detailed analysis of the data, we could not find a clear seismic signal. Even the closest station (∆= 62.8 km) at Soldier’s Delight, Baltimore County, Maryland (SDMD) did not record the impact. We concluded that the plane impact to the Pentagon generated relatively weak seismic signals.

I wonder if ENT even knows what "SEISMIC WAVES" are, and what kind of data they are able to propagate and be detected? (hint: vertical impacts; hint: what kind of impact happened at the Pentagon?)

Originally Posted by ENT

The wreckage probably came from a US gov warehouse full of such junk, they collect the stuff.

Oh OK ENT, you've cracked the case right open and made Maxwell Smart look like a genius. He's helping you think all this shit up right ?

So what really happened was the Government stooges snuck into the Pentagon the night before the missile struck and planted all those plane parts in the building but they where really smart and done it after the cleaners went home.

Actually they where that sneaky no security people seen them and the workers arriving in the morning didnt see the plane parts because they where painted with invisible liquid so no body could see them.??????

This is what probably happened according to ENT.

I'm very sorry ENT and don't like to take the piss too much because your not an evil guy but theres really something not quite right with your thought processes.

When you pen shit like that you are very fucked up mate and look like an absolute raving fool.

Quite disturbing that people with thought pattens like you are free to roam amongst our society.

Quote CthulhuI, post #1183:"..in fact, Lamont-Doherty never released any statement that said, verbatim: "There is no clear seismic signals which can be associated with the airplane crash into the Pentagon".....yet another lie from the troll Cthulhu.

In fact they did make that statement in the report linked here;
http://www.mgs.md.gov/esic/publicati...11pentagon.pdf


Two unexplained seismic spikes occurred before WTC Towers 1 and 2 hit the ground

SEISMIC "SPIKES"

Seismographs at Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory in Palisades, New York, 21 miles north of the WTC, recorded strange seismic activity on September 11 that has still not been explained.

While the aircraft crashes caused minimal earth shaking, significant earthquakes with unusual spikes occurred at the beginning of each collapse. The Palisades seismic data recorded a 2.1 magnitude earthquake during the 10-second collapse of the South Tower at 9:59:04 and a 2.3 quake during the 8-second collapse of the North Tower at 1031.

The Palisades seismic record shows that — as the collapses began — a huge seismic "spike" marked the moment the greatest energy went into the ground. The strongest jolts were all registered at the beginning of the collapses, well before the falling debris struck the earth. These unexplained "spikes" in the seismic data lend credence to the theory that massive explosions at the base of the towers caused the collapses.

A "sharp spike of short duration" is how seismologist Thorne Lay of Univ. of California at Santa Cruz told AFP an underground nuclear explosion appears on a seismograph.

The two unexplained spikes are more than twenty times the amplitude of the other seismic waves associated with the collapses and occurred in the East-West seismic recording as the buildings began to fall.

Lerner-Lam told AFP that a 10-fold increase in wave amplitude indicates a 100-fold increase in energy released. These "short-period surface waves," reflect "the interaction between the ground and the building foundation," according to a report from Columbia Earth Institute.

"The seismic effects of the collapses are comparable to the explosions at a gasoline tank farm near Newark on January 7, 1983," the Palisades Seismology Group reported on Sept. 14, 2001.

One of the seismologists, Won-Young Kim, told AFP that the Palisades seismographs register daily underground explosions from a quarry 20 miles away. These blasts are caused by 80,000 lbs. of ammonium nitrate and cause local earthquakes between Magnitude 1 and 2. Kim said the 1993 truck-bomb at the WTC did not register on the seismographs because it was "not coupled" to the ground.

Experts cannot explain why the seismic waves peaked before the towers hit the ground. Asked about these spikes seismologist Arthur Lerner-Lam, director of Columbia University's Center for Hazards and Risk Research told AFP, "This is an element of current research and discussion. It is still being investigated."

"Only a small fraction of the energy from the collapsing towers was converted into ground motion," Lerner-Lam said. "The ground shaking that resulted from the collapse of the towers was extremely small."

Last November, Lerner-Lam said, "During the collapse, most of the energy of the falling debris was absorbed by the towers and the neighboring structures, converting them into rubble and dust or causing other damage — but not causing significant ground shaking,"

Evidently, the energy source that shook the ground beneath the towers was many times more powerful than the total potential energy released by the falling mass of the huge towers.

Seismic Evidence Points to Underground Explosions Causing WTC Collapse

You three trolls, Terry 57, Cthulhu and Latindancer provide no credible reference for your assertions and show very little intelligence.
You are not worth discussing with.

Oh please, does that mean you will finally STFU, ENT?

Originally Posted by Cthulhu

Yeah, *PHYSICS* seems to consistently be a weak spot for these guys.

One would surmise that a Primary school child could rational the theory behind physics when a plane of that size collides with a building and how the fuselage would only enter the building and the wings and other external parts would be sheared off.

Fuck me, if you told the Teacher that it should be imprinted on the building like the " Road Runner " the Teacher would kick your scank arse back to grade one and tattoo a massive "Fail " on your forehead.

Jesus Christ, its not that fuking hard is it.

But it wasn't a plane and the plane remains where planted in the building the night before.

Ain't that right ENT !

Originally Posted by terry57

I'm very sorry ENT and don't like to take the piss too much because your not an evil guy but theres really something not quite right with your thought processes.

You think?

See the opinion of Mark Roberts in my signature link:

Paranoid schizophrenics are probably more likely to become Truthers than the general population, and probably more likely to have voices in their heads telling them to kill someone.

Originally Posted by ENT

You are not worth discussing with.

Actually ENT, that's the core problem right there, You do not discuss or rationalize.

Your mind is closed to any other possibility of this case except your conspiracy theory, you pen the most silly stuff like the planting of plane parts in the Pentagon that not even the most die hard conspiracy nutter could support you.

You have succeeded tremendously in showing all and sundry that your quite fuking mad verging and teetering on the edge of insanity.

Fuk me mate, down to the psychiatrist quick smart EH.

He is 15 baht to help pay the dude.

Cheers ENT.

Originally Posted by terry57

You have succeeded tremendously in showing all and sundry that your quite fuking mad verging and teetering on the edge of insanity.

Pretty much - and he has still failed to provide a simple essay on what he thinks has happened.

... of course, he never will.

- Not only can't he remain focused enough to pen anything beyond 2-3 sentences of hastily copy/paste.

- but his story, sometimes of the same events, changes on a nearly weekly basis, that committing to any given scenario would be fatal to him ("there was a plane"; "there was no plane"; "the plane parts were smuggled in", "there are no plane parts").

It's enough for any psych student to write a funny paper on... Hmmmm, maybe I should go for my second psych degree?