Thread: 9/11 was an inside job

Tell us what you think happened at the Pentagon, ENT.

Soon it'll be 2 days since you were first asked.

Originally Posted by Humbert

Like so many ignorant people, you use a conclusion to justify a hypothosis. Mate.

wait a minute, are you claiming that you know the full truth about 911 and what the US government is doing secretly overseas ? that's a bit rich coming from you and making claims about "ignorant people" when you all do is follow the "official" version without even questioning it. Isn't that what ignorant people do ? not ask questions,

I bet you thought Saddam had WMD too and didn't question that

Iraq did far more damage to America and the US government that 911 truth conspiracy theorists could ever accomplish.

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

Terry, No steel framed skyscraper in history has collapsed like that due to fire.
Let alone 3. On the same day.

No building in History has had an airliner fly into it, that's why.

Its not hard to understand Albert, its basic physics at work here combined with weakened supporting steel beams giving way and overloading the lower supporting beams resulting in total failure.

The load of a building is supported by the supporting steel beams and spread equally over the total area. At rest that is and not taking into consideration the other forces at play when the weight of the upper floors are in free fall.

In an extreme case as the towers, when the beams at the higher levels gave way under extreme heat and lost there strength the weight of the upper floors simply overloaded the lower steel beams and it was all over.

Its not that hard to understand and regards molten metal, the beams never reached that point as they failed well before but when on the ground they well could have given the confined space and kiln like environment. Oxygen would of been present as voids where formed in the collapse and oxygen enters at every point.

No oxygen, no fire simple as that.

Christ mate, can you please take ENT out and shoot him as he's doing nothing for your cause. At least you ask some decent questions.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

Tell us what you think happened at the Pentagon, ENT.

Soon it'll be 2 days since you were first asked.

I've just figured out where I've seen you before, Ruprecht!

Originally Posted by terry57

No building in History has had an airliner fly into it, that's why.

Well we don't really know then for sure do we?

Originally Posted by terry57

Its not hard to understand Albert, its basic physics at work here combined with weakened supporting steel beams giving way and overloading the lower supporting beams resulting in total failure.

But the official story says they melted - due to the heat of the fire caused by the fuel.

Originally Posted by terry57

The load of a building is supported by the supporting steel beams and spread equally over the total area. At rest that is and not taking into consideration the other forces at play when the weight of the upper floors are in free fall.

Go on.

Originally Posted by terry57

In an extreme case as the towers, when the beams at the higher levels gave way under extreme heat and lost there strength the weight of the upper floors simply overloaded the lower steel beams and it was all over.

Where did the momentum come from?

Originally Posted by terry57

Its not that hard to understand and regards molten metal, the beams never reached that point as they failed well before but when on the ground they well could have given the confined space and kiln like environment. Oxygen would of been present as voids where formed in the collapse and oxygen enters at every point.

Surely at such low temperatures that would have taken rather a long time?

STOP PRESS : FOOT IN MOUTH ALERT.
On another thread.... Butterfly admits he's a cultural clod:

Originally Posted by Latindancer

Originally Posted by Butterfly

I have ranted (without screaming though) against Thai staff at supermarkets or stores when they were playing dumb or just being completely incompetent, fucking up orders or doing other silly things

I know it's not nice to do it, and completely pointless, but it damn feels good

I have never done this, not even once. But you just admitted you have. Oh dear.

It seems that your ranting there is similar to your trolling here....."not nice to do it, and completely pointless".

And stupid.

Underground coal fire, burning underground for 30 years:

Underground Fire in Centralia, Pennsylvania | Quality Junkyard

Gee, where does the oxygen come from??? Hmmmm...?



Wow, no oxygen, eh?

Abundance of fuel, shifting air pockets keep fires burning at World Trade Center
Abundance of fuel, shifting air pockets keep fires burning at World Trade Center

Whoops:

WTC Molten Steel

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

Originally Posted by terry57

When steel reaches a certain temperature it weakens and becomes highly unstable

But does it become molten at those temperatures? No.

No. It did not become molten. ENT would argue it did thou. EH ENT

Originally Posted by terry57

When the fire has cooled and the steel has regained its strength we will enter again and overhaul.

There was nothing left as it "melted" Terry.

There was shit loads of steel beams left, they where carting the shit away for months. Oh sorry, it was all molten EH ENT.

Originally Posted by terry57

No building in History has had an airliner fly into it, that's why.

Not entirely true, Terry.

The EMPIRE STATE BUILDING played "host" to a B-29 bomber, used to shuttle passengers, which crashed into its' north side around the 79th floor, in 1945.

Plane That Crashed Into the Empire State Building

There was also the commercial plane in Lagos, Nigeria that crashed into a building, and (however oddly) left about as much debris behind as the Pentagon crash. Must have been the US gov't flying ENT's missile into that residential neighborhood.

Look, it's a landing gear that looks surprisingly like the one from the Pentagon:

Of course, in ENT's world, planes that crash into building are more apt to behave like this:



or this

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

But the official story says they melted - due to the heat of the fire caused by the fuel.

1. Misuse of words easy as that.


Where did the momentum come from?

2. Strange question Albert. Momentum started at the very point of collapse.


Surely at such low temperatures that would have taken rather a long time?

3. Another odd question Albert. Think of a confined space untold heat fuel and oxygen. Seen molten steel at the bottom of fires many times.

Originally Posted by Cthulhu

Not entirely true, Terry.

The EMPIRE STATE BUILDING played "host" to a B-29 bomber, used to shuttle passengers, which crashed into its' north side around the 79th floor, in 1945.

Yep, I know about that one, in reality it was nothing compared to the impact on the Twin towers.

Originally Posted by terry57

Originally Posted by Cthulhu

Not entirely true, Terry.

The EMPIRE STATE BUILDING played "host" to a B-29 bomber, used to shuttle passengers, which crashed into its' north side around the 79th floor, in 1945.

Yep, I know about that one, in reality it was nothing compared to the impact on the Twin towers.

Agreed, but you said "no building", so I wanted to jump in before Tweedle-Dee and Tweedle-Dum do -- albeit I doubt either of them even knew of that.

Of course, the Empire State Building is consistently built of Concrete, and despite having suffered serious damage in materials and many people were hurt and harmed, it survived. They just don't build them like they used to :-)

These cases were already covered in either the "9/11 ...what really happened" or another thread.
ENT and Albert's mode of operation is to re-hash old stuff, as if it's never been covered.

Actually I should of said,

" No building in history has ever had an Airliner of that scale fly into it. "

There, simple misuse of words by myself same as the use of " Molton ".

Anyway ENT has given me a Red.

I love it because this shows he has nothing to come back with and has resorted to giving me a Red for being a " flagellating fireman ".

Myself does not play the Red game, I believe in trotting out my opinions for scrutiny from the masses, lay it all on the table if you like.

This in turn gives the punters an opportunity to actually gauge whether I'm on the right track or indeed a troll who is not really concerned with the subject matter at hand.

I don't troll, rather get into a subject if I believe in it unlike ENT who just pisses around because he has fuk all else to do all day.

Actually I'll be checking out the hot biatches on Kuta Beach once I've got my morning hit of discrediting Ent's stupid posts.

Love the morning entertainment ENT but I'd prefer something a bit more tangible, entertaining and challenging.

Originally Posted by terry57

Actually I'll be checking out the hot biatches on Kuta Beach once I've got my morning hit of discrediting Ent's stupid posts.

I have a feeling that we would get along just fine on a field trip.

Ditto!

New York Fire Fighters' evidence.

ENT's continuing his trolling by simply doing a one-minute Google search and pasting Youtube links.
All this was covered before. And hat last link does not show ANYTHING that supports ENT's "argument" ....which is not one.
Pre-collapse, aircraft fuel burns HOT ! And the molten metal pouring out of the buildings was likely aircraft aluminium.
Post-collapse, an underground furnace self-perpetuating by sucking in air through cracks as it emitted hot air, or else using pockets of air, and being insulated well so it got hotter. Simple physics, but too much for dimwits like ENT & Albert to comprehend.
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You're posting crap links again ENT. Trying desperately to keep people interested ?
That firefighters one showed NOTHING to support conspiracy theorists. And actually, you have not given us one theory of your own !

Originally Posted by Cthulhu

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we're talking about a collapsed building on SOLID FUCKING GROUND WITH CONCRETE AND STEEL FUCKING FOUNDATIONS YOU TOTAL FUCKING DUNCE not a fucking coal mine.

You have already proven repeatedly that YOU are the dunce, Albert.

And concrete is a great insulator and retainer of heat.

The highest recorded temperature in the twin towers was measured at 1337 F, less than half of that required to melt steel.