Thread: 9/11 was an inside job

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

Originally Posted by jamescollister

By the way the pancake collapse was dumped years ago, the truth has not been told and is not likely to come out for a long, long time. Jim

No it wasn't, link please? Besides, I saw it with my own eyes as did millions of others, no way can it be discredited. I even stated it was going to happen just before it did, (the collapse that is) it was obvious the building structure was compromised and they were leaning more and more as the fires blazed.

Stupid believer clone!

Pancake collapse theory dumped

"NIST were forced to acknowledge the weakness of the pancake theory when they tested steel samples from the World Trade Center."
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...ake_theory.htm

"The results established that this type of assembly was capable of sustaining a large gravity load, without collapsing for a substantial period of time relative to the duration of the fires in any given location on September 11th," concluded NIST in their Final Report of the National Construction Safety Team on the Collapses of the World Trade Center Towers."
WTC Disaster Study

You saw it on TV and heard it on your radio and read about it in your newspapers, and watched it all on movies ......BUT YA DIDN"T SEE IT ALL WITH YOUR OWN EYES!!

Originally Posted by ENT

No airliner ever crashed into a building like one of the Twin Towers to make a neat cooky-cutter shape either. Impossible.

Yes, of course. All those people who witnessed it were shills, right ?
So what do you claim actually DID happen ?

Originally Posted by ENT

You and Latindancer spout more crap then anyone else on the board.

You exaggerate and lie to the max.

What you call banter is what most people call abuse and lies, but then of course you wouldn't understand that, would ya Ocker.

But YOU know all about that kind of thing first-hand, don't you, ENT ?

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Originally Posted by terry57

Originally Posted by jamescollister

So why do all the other highrise buildings, with much bigger and longer fires still stand.

Firstly.
In the history of the world there has never been a high rise fire with such unique circumstances as being hit by a massive plane resulting in such a high fire load.

Secondly the steel was compromised by having inadequate fire proofing on the steel girders.

Steel girders not adequately protected by fire proof coating do not take long to weaken when attacked by fire.

Even just with the weight of an average roof steel will fail let along the weight of multiple stories above.

Its not hard to understand when one has seen steel fail on the fire ground.

Basic stuff really.

You say,"In the history of the world there has never been a high rise fire with such unique circumstances as being hit by a massive plane resulting in such a high fire load.".........HOGWASH! the fire was put out rapidly and never reached the temeratures necessary to melt steel nor to buckle the core columns of the towers.

Bullshit, you were never a fireman and you're full odf sound bites lying all along about every claim you make about firefighting and being on the fireground.

You don't even know to what degree heat is dissipated in a given direction along steel beams, claiming that heat travels downwards along steel columns as rapidly as it does upwards,...drongo.


You say,"Its not hard to understand when one has seen steel fail on the fire ground."

Where you have obviously never been, wanabe.

Basic stuff really!

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

Originally Posted by terry57

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Hey Albert, I watched that clip and what he said was totally correct.

If the Planes just flew into the buildings it would not of been a problem.

Actually if ten planes flew into them it would not of been a problem but he did not go any where near on breaching the subject of what would happen when the place went up in flames EH.

Its all about the effect of heat on metal my friend and fire load.

Nor was he talking about a 767 at full throttle...Yet he still confirmed EVERYTHING I posted..

There was no 767 at full throttle, take a close look at the stupid cooky cooker morphing into building plane videos, ya jerk!

Originally Posted by terry57

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

The building fell one floor at a time once it began to collapse causing a chain reaction due to weight and structural weakening..

Its really is basic stuff that any fuking retard can get his head around if one is still breathing.

Weight above compromised by structural weakening caused by the effect of fire on steel will result in eventual building collapse.

Hey drongo, wanabe-sepo-in-a-fireman's pants, it would have taken around 64 seconds for the towers to collapse IF the things pancaked, which they didn't, they came down at near free fall speed..

There was structural weakening alright, at the base, caused by explosive and cutter charges, NOT BY A KEROSENE FUELLED OFFICE FIRE TWO THIRDS UP THE TOWERS!

^^^^ I see the forum fishwife Latindancer's at it again with her line of irrelevant off topic backstabbing gossip.

Only to be expected from such a creature.

G'day wombat, how's yer big toe, and yer jaw and yer poor ol' head?

Idiot.

I'm responding to your utter hypocrisy :

Originally Posted by ENT

You and Latindancer spout more crap then anyone else on the board.

What you call banter is what most people call abuse and lies, but then of course you wouldn't understand that, would ya Ocker.

And how are your liver flukes ? And your lungs ? Does your admitted 50 year nicotine habit cause you ill effects....yet ? Apart from extreme irritability.....
Go and have a nice cup of lobelia tea and purge yourself that way.

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

Alive? Where is that proof? Of course you have jpegs of you and others shaking their hands or something?

Flossy, I know ya can't abide giving references to your claims, ya shill, but I'll be kind to ya, seeing's yer only a po' ol' sepo raised on fluoride and Hollywood and such,, but if ya can scrape the intelligence and energy together, go back a few pages to

post # 2884 which tells ya about 4 Arab suspects alleged on AA Flt 77 who are still alive.

,,,,,,,if ya can read.

Originally Posted by terry57

Originally Posted by Gilbert

You need to do a bit more research, or at least watch a few vids from people who know.

Research fuking what Gilbert ? I'm perfectly Ok with what went down as is the vast majority of sane minded humans.

Its fukers like you and ENT who try and research shit that is unreasearchable because you watch too many Xfiles programs.

No answer on the heat on steel effect EH ?

Fuk me Gilbert.

You wouldn't know the effects of heat on steel if ya sat on a hot poker Tessy, ya reckon heat travels downwards, not up.

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

Originally Posted by ENT

You watch too many movies, no-one witnessed a pancake effect collapse of the WTC buildings on 9/11.

I did and you can't tell me what I saw...

You only saw TV video presentations.

You're no witness.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

I'm responding to your utter hypocrisy :

Originally Posted by ENT

You and Latindancer spout more crap then anyone else on the board.

What you call banter is what most people call abuse and lies, but then of course you wouldn't understand that, would ya Ocker.

And how are your liver flukes ? And your lungs ? Does your admitted 50 year nicotine habit cause you ill effects....yet ? Apart from extreme irritability.....
Go and have a nice cup of lobelia tea and purge yourself that way.

I'm in perfectly good health and form wombat.

Now go have a dump, you sound full of yourself this morning.

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

Do you know what a piston collapse is? If so and you have half a brain and watch those buildings come down it's clear that is not a piston collapse... It happens from the top down not the other way around which is a piston collapse..

That term is drawn
a) from mechanics where there's a reduction in the diameter of the piston skirt caused by heat and constant impact stresses, and

b) from geology, where a volcanic cone collapses through repeated explosions and eruptions sufficient to leaving a caldera involving a reduced outer shell and a central vent cone.

In architecture it indicates that similar repeated impacts and/or explosions will collapse a structure leaving a worn outer shell and as seen in many videos of the WTC tower collapses, and core columns still standing until final explosions toppled them. They weren't heat buckled or melted, although molten metal remained at the basement level of the towers for months after the event as a result of the thermate induced demolitions.

You have failed to understand what a piston collapse is, although FloridaBorn explained it.

And as Terry said : you have little real understanding; you just Google answers.

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

If so and you have half a brain

Unfortunately he has just shown us he doesn't, FloridaBorn !

Originally Posted by Latindancer

You have failed to understand what a piston collapse is, although FloridaBorn explained it.

And as Terry said : you have little real understanding; you just Google answers.

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

If so and you have half a brain

Unfortunately he has just shown us he doesn't, FloridaBorn !

And where did he "explain" that?

Go on, you tell us what it is, a collapse upwards?

Here's the NIST theory.

NIST's final Report on the Twin Towers mentions the piston theory to attempt to explain away the ejections:

The falling mass of the building compressed the air ahead of it, much like the action of a piston, forcing material, such as smoke and debris, out the windows as seen in several videos.
There are several problems with this explanation, which we designate the piston theory.
9-11 Research: Squibs

Not that I subscribe to it, but carry on, as the term "piston collapse" is a mechanic's term which has been erroneously and conveniently taken up by NIST to explain a compression effect that they theorise occurred as each floor fell, so forcing puffs of dust out of the sides, leaving a much degraded outer shell and still standing, as in a volcanic caldera, a group of central core columns.

The trouble with the "collapsed piston effect" theory is that smoke from the explosive charges, "puffs of dust" that NIST so quaintly puts it, were heard and observed blowing out several floors below, and in advance of, the collapsing floors above them, so a no runner NIST theory there.

Neither the pancake theory nor the so called "collapsed piston" effect fit, as each tower would have taken around 64 seconds to collapse in a both theories, due to resistance inherent on each floor impacted from above and the distance between each floor, so the acceleration of the mass as it fell would have been much impeded, taking the towers far more time to collapse than the approximately 10-11 seconds recorded that day.

Originally Posted by ENT

The trouble with the "collapsed piston effect" theory is that smoke from the explosive charges, "puffs of dust" that NIST so quaintly puts it, were heard and observed blowing out several floors below, and in advance of, the collapsing floors above them,

I've got news for you : air is a gas and the more it is compressed above, the more it expands below.....ahead of collapsing upper floors.

Anybody with a fully-functioning brain and an understanding of physics can look at the videos of that collapse and see exactly what went on, and why. Especially regarding the puffs of dust.
That is why the vast majority of people accept their explanation.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

You have failed to understand what a piston collapse is, although FloridaBorn explained it.

Flo explained nothing.

And you wont find my explanation of a collapsed piston effect in architecture in any web page or publication.

So far, Flossy (can I call you that Flossy/Florry B ?) won't give any references for any of his assertions, so his idea of what a "piston colapse" theory in architecture doesn't pan out, and as far as I know the theory doesn't exist in architecture as he claims.

Go read the NIST report, you can find a link and commentary here.
9-11 Research: Squibs

From the above link;

NIST's final Report on the Twin Towers mentions the piston theory to attempt to explain away the ejections:

"The falling mass of the building compressed the air ahead of it, much like the action of a piston, forcing material, such as smoke and debris, out the windows as seen in several videos."


There are several problems with this explanation, which we designate the piston theory.

The squibs contain thick dust of a light color, apparently from crushed concrete and gypsum. But these materials would not have been crushed until the pancaking floors above impacted the floor emitting the squib. Thus the dust would not be produced until the air was already squeezed out, so there was no source of the dust for the squib.

The squibs emerge from the facade 10 to 20 floors below the exploding rubble cloud inside of which the tower is disintegrating. The thick clouds appear to contain the pulverized concrete of the floor slabs, which was the only concrete component of the tower. But the piston theory requires that the floors have already pancaked down to the level of the squib, making them unavailable for the production of the concrete dust more than 10 floors above.

The piston theory requires a rather orderly pancaking of the floor diaphragms within the intact sleeve of the perimeter wall. Such a process should have left a stack of floor diaphragms at the tower's base at the end of the collapse. But there was no such stack. In fact, it is difficult to find recognizable pieces of floor slabs of any size in Ground Zero photographs.

The North Tower exhibits three distinct sets of squibs at different elevations of the building. Each set is visible as two distinct squibs on the same floor, one emerging from about the horizontal center of each of the tower's two visible faces. This pattern is is far too focused and symmetric to be explained by the piston theory, which would produce similar pressures across each floor and over successive floors.

The pancaking of floors within the perimeter wall would have created under pressures in the region above the top pancaking floor. But we seen no evidence of dust being sucked back into the tower.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

Originally Posted by ENT

The trouble with the "collapsed piston effect" theory is that smoke from the explosive charges, "puffs of dust" that NIST so quaintly puts it, were heard and observed blowing out several floors below, and in advance of, the collapsing floors above them,

I've got news for you : air is a gas and the more it is compressed above, the more it expands below.....ahead of collapsing upper floors.

Anybody with a fully-functioning brain and an understanding of physics can look at the videos of that collapse and see exactly what went on, and why. Especially regarding the puffs of dust.
That is why the vast majority of people accept their explanation.

Obviously you haven't got one as you'd be able to calculate that it takes time for an object (in this case a floor) to travel 10 ft aprox. to the next, meet against its resistance, which slows its acceleration, then continue through another 70 -80 floors to ground level, time taken calculated at 64 seconds, not 10-11 seconds as observed.

But of course, this fact is way over your head, ain't it drongo?

Originally Posted by Latindancer

Here :

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

Do you know what a piston collapse is? If so and you have half a brain and watch those buildings come down it's clear that is not a piston collapse... It happens from the top down not the other way around which is a piston collapse..

From this explanation, I deduce that a pancake collapse is where the building starts to collapse from the top (or near the top), and each floor (together with the weight of the ones which have hit it from above) then collectively collapse on the one below it. They all then collapse sequentially in the same way.


]A piston collapse would then be (if FloridaBorn's explanation is in fact correct), one in which the bottom floors weaken first, and the top ones, which have stayed structurally sound, fall into the collapsing mess at the bottom. To the onlooker, the building APPEARS (in a way) to be collapsing upwards.
WTC7 is an example of this.

Your deductions........

Man,are ya after a medal or a pill?

These quotes are real gems!

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

Originally Posted by jamescollister

By the way the pancake collapse was dumped years ago, the truth has not been told and is not likely to come out for a long, long time. Jim

No it wasn't, link please? Besides, I saw it with my own eyes as did millions of others, no way can it be discredited. I even stated it was going to happen just before it did, (the collapse that is) it was obvious the building structure was compromised and they were leaning more and more as the fires blazed.

Stupid believer clone!

Pancake collapse theory dumped

"NIST were forced to acknowledge the weakness of the pancake theory when they tested steel samples from the World Trade Center."
BBC: Debunked "Pancake Theory" Caused Towers To Collapse

"The results established that this type of assembly was capable of sustaining a large gravity load, without collapsing for a substantial period of time relative to the duration of the fires in any given location on September 11th," concluded NIST in their Final Report of the National Construction Safety Team on the Collapses of the World Trade Center Towers."
WTC Disaster Study

You saw it on TV and heard it on your radio and read about it in your newspapers, and watched it all on movies ......BUT YA DIDN"T SEE IT ALL WITH YOUR OWN EYES!!

Oh yes I was watching a live, elaborate movie and no one knows it? Well one thing you don't know is that my sister in law was supposed to be on the 93rd floor of tower 2 where she worked but happened to be late that day so I DO have live personal information to go on..
I saw it live on TV as it happened and you sound more and more like a person that's gone over the edge..

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

Originally Posted by terry57

^

Hey Albert, I watched that clip and what he said was totally correct.

If the Planes just flew into the buildings it would not of been a problem.

Actually if ten planes flew into them it would not of been a problem but he did not go any where near on breaching the subject of what would happen when the place went up in flames EH.

Its all about the effect of heat on metal my friend and fire load.

Nor was he talking about a 767 at full throttle...Yet he still confirmed EVERYTHING I posted..

There was no 767 at full throttle, take a close look at the stupid cooky cooker morphing into building plane videos, ya jerk!

I've seen more factual evidence and understood it more then you ever will. I also know what full throttle sounds like..

You calling me names is a self conscious, defensive response that proves you know I'm right..

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by Latindancer

I'm responding to your utter hypocrisy :

Originally Posted by ENT

You and Latindancer spout more crap then anyone else on the board.

What you call banter is what most people call abuse and lies, but then of course you wouldn't understand that, would ya Ocker.

And how are your liver flukes ? And your lungs ? Does your admitted 50 year nicotine habit cause you ill effects....yet ? Apart from extreme irritability.....
Go and have a nice cup of lobelia tea and purge yourself that way.

I'm in perfectly good health and form wombat.

Now go have a dump, you sound full of yourself this morning.

That doesn't include psychological health though that's for certain.

Originally Posted by ENT

The squibs contain thick dust of a light color, apparently from crushed concrete and gypsum. But these materials would not have been crushed until the pancaking floors above impacted the floor emitting the squib. Thus the dust would not be produced until the air was already squeezed out, so there was no source of the dust for the squib.

What complete bullshit !

Originally Posted by ENT

Obviously you haven't got one as you'd be able to calculate that it takes time for an object (in this case a floor) to travel 10 ft aprox. to the next, meet against its resistance, which slows its acceleration, then continue through another 70 -80 floors to ground level, time taken calculated at 64 seconds, not 10-11 seconds as observed.

And this is bullshit too. There is MASSIVE weight in a building like this. You don't understand the physics of scale. Google it.

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

Oh yes I was watching a live, elaborate movie and no one knows it? Well one thing you don't know is that my sister in law was supposed to be on the 93rd floor of tower 2 where she worked but happened to be late that day so I DO have live personal information to go on.
I saw it live on TV as it happened and you sound more and more like a person that's gone over the edge..

You certainly did see it (the WTC towers collapse) on TV, as did millions of us around the world, no dispute there.

What you didn't see Flo, was a pancake collapse nor a piston collapse.

You saw a demolition, and while you were watching all that, and while you were emotionally vulnerable and shocked as the towers fell, the media were pumping verbal suggestions into your brain and you got

BRAINWASHED INTO BELIEVING EVERY SINGLE WORD THAT YOU HEARD ABOUT HOW A BUNCH OF ARABS HAD GUTTED AMERICA,

and you swallowed the whole story, as did millions of Americans who were tuned into the media brainwashing machine that day, so the next day ya'll goose-stepped along on Bush's suggestion that conspiracists were out to destroy ya as well!


Perfect.


Game. Set..... and.......Match.


That's how indoctrination and brainwash works. And it was all set up a long time ago, when you first started drinking the cool-aid, fluoride, ya'll got yer brains calcified.