Thread: 9/11 was an inside job

A tip Tom's Top Hat in Honor to Lt. Vodvarka and the firefighters that died that day. But more to the point - the families deserve justice - and revenge.

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

the families deserve justice - and revenge.

Yes they do.

We'll never forget them.

Originally Posted by terry57

Just got a red from ENT saying I'm a liar and a stooge

Congratulations he must really like you. He has never sent me a single Red, at all. Nothing, not even from the other guy.

Originally Posted by ENT

Who knows, they might put the cooker on top of the pot to boil water.

See, the classic uneducated lay-person argument, confusing "flame" with "conductivity" .

I'd love to that experiment with ENT - have him hold a steel bar, vertically, on the bottom, and apply a constant acetylene torch to the upper portion, about a foot from where he holds it.

Should be harmless, right? I mean, the heat travels only upwards.

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

A tip Tom's Top Hat in Honor to Lt. Vodvarka and the firefighters that died that day. But more to the point - the families deserve justice - and revenge.

Agreed, unfortunately it's morons like ENT, Prufie and their merry band of conspiracy morons that are consistently besmirching the memory of these victims. I'm glad you recognize that.

^It's coming to you one day daffy - of that you can be certain

You dirty disrespectfle fork tongued loser.

Here's a tune about you.

Originally Posted by Cthulhu

and their merry band of conspiracy morons

Architects & Engineers:

Solving the Mystery of
World Trade Center Building 7

Let's talk about the REAL issue - President Obama is a mars-traveling jump agent!!!

Proof:

EXOPOLITICS: Politics, Government, and Law in the Universe: Third whistle blower confirms Obama

Third whistle blower confirms Obama’s participation in CIA jump room program of early 1980’s


1980s CIA jump room program participants Bernard Mendez (left) and Andrew D. Basiago (right at microphone), with Alfred Lambremont Webre (center) moderating ExoUniversity seminar

Third whistle blower confirms Obama’s participation in CIA jump room program of early 1980’s

By Alfred Lambremont Webre

VANCOUVER, B.C. – A third whistle blower has confirmed that U.S. President Barack H. Obama was a participant in the CIA’s teleportation "jump room" program of the early 1980’s.

Bernard Mendez made this allegation during a seminar held in Vancouver, British Columbia on June 1st under the auspices of the B.C.-based ExoUniversity.org.

During the seminar, Mr. Mendez stated that he, Mr. Obama, former DARPA director Regina E. Dugan, Andrew D. Basiago, and William B. Stillings attended a jump room training class taught by Maj. Ed Dames at College of the Siskiyous in Summer 1980.

Bernard Mendez also stated that he teleported with Mr. Obama and Mr. Basiago in jumps that took place from 1981 to 1983, when Obama and Basiago were college students.

At the time, Mr. Mendez, who once served as a special assistant to President Richard M. Nixon, was investigating the jump room program for the US intelligence community.

On November 8, 2011, this reporter was the first to report revelations made by Basiago and Stillings that Obama served with them in the jump room program of the early 1980’s.

The two chrononauts then appeared on late night talk radio’s Coast-to-Coast AM with Laura Magdalene Eisenhower, the great-granddaughter of US President Dwight D. Eisenhower, to discuss their involvement in the US secret space program.

Maj. Dames called the show to deny his involvement in the jump room program.

Then, in January 2012, through National Security Council spokesperson Tommy Vietor, Mr. Obama also denied that he was part of the 1980-83 CIA jump room program.

Mr. Mendez’ statements confirming the existence of the CIA’s jump room program and the roles played by Maj. Dames and Mr. Obama in it directly refute these denials.

Other jump room program participants identified by Mr. Mendez and Mr. Basiago, including Dugan [who is now an executive with Google], as well as a female program participant who is a member of a Presidential family, have neither confirmed nor denied their involvement in the CIA’s jump room program as of this writing.

Asked for comment on Obama’s silence in the face of confirmation of his participation by three jump room participants, Mr. Basiago stated, “President Obama campaigned for president pledging that his administration would be one of transparency. He must now fulfill that promise and acknowledge that he served with us in the jump room program.”

1980-83 CIA jump room program

During the ExoUniversity.org seminar, Mr. Mendez explained that his mission to evaluate the CIA’s jump room program originated from discrepancies being reported by the jump rooms on the U.S. east and west coasts, respectively. The east coast jump room was located in New York City, the west coast jump room in El Segundo, CA.

According to Mendez, the jump room technology had been transferred from a species of Grey extraterrestrials to the U.S. government. The west coast and east coast jump rooms were reporting up to 40 incidents of participant injuries per month occurring during jump room “teleportation” to unknown environments in space. Yet, several days after each teleportation jump, the reported injuries to participants had disappeared.

Both the east coast and west coast CIA jump rooms experienced losing power at times when their control room in Ohio was reporting normal operation of both jump rooms. The speculation was that the source of the jump room technology – Grey extraterrestrials – may have been covertly interfering with the functioning of the jump room teleportation technology, unbeknownst to control room operators in Ohio.

The U.S. government deployed Mr. Mendez, along with an evaluation team that included several prominent U.S. astronauts, to determine the causes of these discrepancies and determine the true destinations of the jump rooms.

Mr. Basiago and Mr. Stillings have confirmed that Mr. Mendez was both one of their fellow chrononauts taking jumps with them and a federal investigator whose primary function was investigating questions like where the jump rooms were going.

Synthetic Quantum Environments (SQEs)

Upon arriving at the jump room training class at College of the Siskiyous in 1980, Mr. Mendez debriefed Maj. Dames about his intelligence mission to evaluate the program.

He then began a series of test jumps from the west coast jump room. On one such test jump he recalled teleporting with Mr. Obama and Mr. Basiago to a planetary environment in space that was initially thought might be the Mars they had been trained for. Mr. Mendez recalls that when he had Mr. Obama shoot a flare at the sky, the flare bounced off a ceiling at about 62-foot in the sky, indicating that the three chrononauts had teleported to an artificial environment or domed enclosure of some kind. The precise location of that enclosure was uncertain, and may have been either a dome on a celestial body, such as Mars, or a freestanding holographic creation in space.

Mr. Mendez determined after multiple jumps that the destination the jump rooms were reaching was not Mars. Mars was out of position when most of the jumps took place. Its atmosphere was deficient in oxygen to sustain human life. Gravity on the surface was stronger than Mars’ gravity would have been. The temperature swings on Mars (from -175 F to +225 F) would have made surface visits not survivable. Mars' lack of an ionosphere would have led to the irradiation of the jumpers.

He concluded that the jump rooms were actually taking the program participants to a “synthetic quantum environment” or SQE, a term invented by Mr. Basiago to describe a fold in the time-space continuum in which the Grey extraterrestrials have established an “artificial holographic planetary domain.”

During the ExoUniversity.org seminar, Mr. Basiago stated:

“According to Bernard Mendez, the jump rooms were not visiting Mars but "folds" in time-space created by the Grey extraterrestrials that the Apollo astronauts called “slots.”

“These ‘slots’ or niches in time-space contain synthetic quantum environments in which the Greys have stored event scenarios that have taken place at different times on different planets, including Earth and Mars.”

The jump room program resulted, Mendez explained, from an ET-human liaison project involving the Greys and the US government, in which the young Americans involved were selected by the Greys and then trained by the CIA.

“This astonishing revelation means that President Barack Obama is a contactee selected by the Grey extraterrestrials to participate in the secret space program,” Mr. Basiago commented.

New land in time-space

According to Mr. Mendez, the US government has identified 153 “synthetic quantum environments” constructed by the Greys in the near Earth environment ranging 400 miles from Earth, on the surface of the Earth, and beneath the surface of the Earth.

Because they contained new land that might be territorially acquired, the US government was actively discovering and exploring these SQEs with a view to making them part of the United States.

Mr. Mendez was tasked to negotiate with the Greys as part of his evaluation mission. During the negotiations, the Greys indicated that the system of “synthetic quantum environments” had been built by them for purposes of conditioning and educating humanity to be able to sustain a future role among organized intelligent civilizations in space and in the inter-dimensional multi-verse.

A chrononaut’s contrary view

In a panel discussion sponsored by ExoUniversity.org held on June 2nd that included all three whistle blowers – Mendez, Basiago, and Stillings, Mr. Stillings shared his view that the destination the jump rooms were reaching was, in fact, Mars.

Mr. Stillings argued that the Martian moons Phobos and Demos could be seen in their proper locations and trajectories in the sky and that jumper Courtney M. Hunt once stated that the Viking 2 apparatus was about 20 miles away from the jump room infrastructure that the jumpers called “the Corkscrew” because of its spiral structure. These clues indicated that the jumpers were on the real Mars and not a simulation.

NASA cannot be relied on to provide accurate data about Mars, Stillings stated, citing the space agency’s claim that atmospheric pressure on Mars is only eight millibars. Such an atmospheric pressure would not have been sufficient to sustain parachute deployment of the Mars Exploration Rovers Spirit and Opportunity to the surface.

A cosmic-level disclosure event

Mr. Basiago, who has spearheaded efforts to have America’s chrononauts come forward and share their experiences with the public, called Mr. Mendez’ account “a cosmic-level disclosure event.”

For his part, Mr. Basiago thinks that both Mr. Mendez and Mr. Stillings may both hold a key to the truth. He thinks that since the origins and operation of the jump rooms were unknown, they might have sometimes been taking the jumpers to Mars, but at other times were being diverted by the Greys to synthetic quantum environments where human responses to the threshold of contact with the wider Universe were studied.

Mr. Basiago stated:

“A third plausible explanation is that the CIA jump rooms, given to the United States by the Grey extraterrestrials, were devices that were sometimes being diverted by the Greys. Sometimes we were visiting Mars, and other times the jump rooms were teleporting us to the kinds of micro-Universes that Bernard Mendez is describing.”

In support of this explanation, Mr. Basiago cited the fact that Grey observation of US activities in time-space was sometimes noted during time probes using US time travel technologies while he was serving on DARPA’s Project Pegasus as a child in the early 1970’s.

He also cited the fact that power losses were being recorded during times when the jump rooms were ostensibly functioning normally. This could be evidence that during operation, the Greys were diverting the jump rooms from Mars to elsewhere.

Mr. Basiago stated that since NASA has been lying about natural conditions on Mars, determining whether Mendez’ “elsewhere” interpretation of the CIA jump room program or Stillings' “Mars” interpretation is the correct one will hinge on official declassification.

Mr. Basiago observed:

“What we have now is three fellow jump room participants sharing their experiences… We were trained for Mars in Summer 1980 and the domain that we were visiting from 1981 to 1983 was certainly understood to be Mars. What we are grappling with now is Bernard’s claim that as the U.S. government investigator tasked to study the project he discovered that we were not visiting Mars but a… simulation of Mars architected by the Greys in a bubble Universe… That's a highly provocative claim, but since Bernard Mendez and Brett Stillings and I were project participants together, in the interests of truth, I have facilitated all three of us coming forward publicly and sharing our understanding of what we were part of… Even if it was not Mars that we were visiting, all three of us agree that it was an off-planet location in time-space.”

Obama as a time travel pre-identified CIA asset

Whistleblower Bernard Mendez' detailed testimony that Mr. Mendez not only participated in the 1980-83 CIA jump room program with Barack Obama, but engaged Mr. Obama in jump room experiments such as a flare experiment to determine the location the jump room technology was teleporting to, further bolsters emerging evidence that Barack H. Obama was involved at the early age of 19 in a highly classified, top priority U.S. national security project, and went on to be a life-long CIA asset or operative.

It is logical, then, that the Obama administration would use such a high-level asset as Tommy Vietor, official spokesperson of the National Security Council, to deny, on January 3, 2012, that Mr. Obama was a participant in the 1980s CIA jump room program.

The CIA jump room program, and its origin with a species of Grey extraterrestrials with whom the U.S. government has had an ongoing secret human-extraterrestrial liaison program, is of the highest national security to the U.S. government.

The CIA and U.S. national security apparatus surrounding U.S. President Barack Obama will do everything in its power during the 2012 election year to suppress evidence that (1) Mr. Obama was part of a secret teleportation jump room program using Grey extraterrestrial technology to reach synthetic quantum environments (SQEs), destinations architected by Grey extraterrestrials.

The CIA apparatus has been suppressing evidence that (2) Mr. Obama has been since 1980 a full time covert CIA operative, deployed to infiltrate, perform surveillance on and report back on community activist, Leftist, African nationalist, and Islamic circles.

The CIA apparatus has been suppressing evidence that (3) Mr. Obama was pre-identified in 1971 via quantum access time travel as a future U.S. President and essentially briefed and groomed for the job by CIA since 1980.

The subject matter of Barack Obama's identity as (1) a life-long CIA operative/asset and (2) pre-identified as a future U.S. President in 1971 by the CIA using DARPA time travel technology will be explored in a Sunday Sept 9, 2012 ExoUniversity.org Forum, entitled: “Who is Barack Obama?: The Time Travel/Teleportation Connection” with Andrew D. Basiago & Alfred Lambremont Webre.

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Here's one for Terry, because I know you will eat it up - not only is ENT a metallurgist, boat owner, cat specialist, physics expert --- but would you know it, he's also an expert on drugs and addicts. As seen in another thread:

Originally Posted by ENT

Speed kills, but that lot in the pics do look look they've had a good smacking.

Never seen meth freaks look like that on average.

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

Originally Posted by HansuMan

An Appeal to Firefighters, Present and Past from a retired FDNY Lieutenant

Fellow Firefighters, A great tragedy befell our community on September 11, 2001, an unprecedented 343 deaths in the line of duty. As horrible as that toll is, if there were a rational explanation for it, we could accept it and mourn. We all understood the risk we accepted when we took the oath of office, that chance might cut short our lives when we placed ourselves in harm’s way in the public’s service. This is what we are paid for and it is our honor.

However, in short, the official explanation of the events of that day are not only insufficient, they are fantastic and cannot bear rational examination. We are asked to believe that on that day three structural steel buildings, which have never before in history collapsed because of fire, fell neatly into their basements at the speed of gravity, their concrete reduced to dust. We are asked to believe that jet fuel (kerosene) can melt steel. We are asked to believe that the most sophisticated air defense system in the world, that responded to sixty-eight emergencies in the year prior to 9-11 in less than twenty minutes allowed aircraft to wander about for up to an hour and a half. We are asked to believe that the steel and titanium components of an aircraft that supposedly hit the Pentagon “evaporated”. There is much, much more if anyone cares to look into it.

Trade Tower #7 by itself is the “smoking gun”. Not hit by an aircraft, with only a few relatively small fires, it came down in a classic crimp and implosion, going straight into its basement, something only very precise demolition can accomplish, which takes days if not weeks to prepare. The 9-11 Commission didn’t even mention it, and F.E.M.A. actually stated they DIDN’T KNOW WHY IT COLLAPSED AND LEFT IT AT THAT.

Brothers, I know that the implications of the above are hard, almost unthinkable, but the official explanation is utter nonsense, and three hundred and forty three murdered brothers are crying out for justice. Demand a genuine investigation into the events of September 11!

-Anton Vodvarka, Lt. FDNY (ret)


Lt. Vodvarka served on FDNY Ladder Co 26, Rescue Co. 3, Rescue Co. 1, Engine Co. 92, Ladder 82 and Ladder 101. He was awarded the Merit Class 1 award, the Prentice Medal.

And Terry, fer fuck's sake, when yer done down the bleedin beach of a morning listen to your brother.

This is a better one for Terry.

Albert : It's one thing to be ignorant. That is forgiveable. But to remain pig-headedly ignorant in the face of all the information and informed debate we have given you here is another thing entirely. And up till now (laughably) you haven't attempted to debate, relying only on Youtube and other links.

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

^It's coming to you one day daffy - of that you can be certain

You dirty disrespectfle fork tongued loser.

Albert-man speak with forked tongue.

^What do you make of the speech above? (while we're talking about stuff that you ignore)

An Appeal to Firefighters, Present and Past from a retired FDNY Lieutenant

Fellow Firefighters, A great tragedy befell our community on September 11, 2001, an unprecedented 343 deaths in the line of duty. As horrible as that toll is, if there were a rational explanation for it, we could accept it and mourn. We all understood the risk we accepted when we took the oath of office, that chance might cut short our lives when we placed ourselves in harm’s way in the public’s service. This is what we are paid for and it is our honor.

However, in short, the official explanation of the events of that day are not only insufficient, they are fantastic and cannot bear rational examination. We are asked to believe that on that day three structural steel buildings, which have never before in history collapsed because of fire, fell neatly into their basements at the speed of gravity, their concrete reduced to dust. We are asked to believe that jet fuel (kerosene) can melt steel. We are asked to believe that the most sophisticated air defense system in the world, that responded to sixty-eight emergencies in the year prior to 9-11 in less than twenty minutes allowed aircraft to wander about for up to an hour and a half. We are asked to believe that the steel and titanium components of an aircraft that supposedly hit the Pentagon “evaporated”. There is much, much more if anyone cares to look into it.

Trade Tower #7 by itself is the “smoking gun”. Not hit by an aircraft, with only a few relatively small fires, it came down in a classic crimp and implosion, going straight into its basement, something only very precise demolition can accomplish, which takes days if not weeks to prepare. The 9-11 Commission didn’t even mention it, and F.E.M.A. actually stated they DIDN’T KNOW WHY IT COLLAPSED AND LEFT IT AT THAT.

Brothers, I know that the implications of the above are hard, almost unthinkable, but the official explanation is utter nonsense, and three hundred and forty three murdered brothers are crying out for justice. Demand a genuine investigation into the events of September 11!

-Anton Vodvarka, Lt. FDNY (ret)

Originally Posted by ENT

We'll never forget them.

I forgot them ages ago.

Originally Posted by Koojo

We here at TD should consider ourselves lucky to have the highest concentration of idiots, I mean experts, on the interweb.

Probably not all of HM's fault he's so whacked-out. Been into that free-range Tofu again with a touch of psilocybin we suspect?

"We are asked to believe that on that day three structural steel buildings, which have never before in history collapsed because of fire, fell neatly into their basements at the speed of gravity, their concrete reduced to dust. We are asked to believe that jet fuel (kerosene) can melt steel. We are asked to believe that the most sophisticated air defense system in the world, that responded to sixty-eight emergencies in the year prior to 9-11 in less than twenty minutes allowed aircraft to wander about for up to an hour and a half. We are asked to believe that the steel and titanium components of an aircraft that supposedly hit the Pentagon “evaporated”. There is much, much more if anyone cares to look into it.

Trade Tower #7 by itself is the “smoking gun”. Not hit by an aircraft, with only a few relatively small fires, it came down in a classic crimp and implosion, going straight into its basement, something only very precise demolition can accomplish, which takes days if not weeks to prepare. The 9-11 Commission didn’t even mention it, and F.E.M.A. actually stated they DIDN’T KNOW WHY IT COLLAPSED AND LEFT IT AT THAT. "

-Anton Vodvarka, Lt. FDNY (ret)

I wonder where Ltn Vodvarka is now, and whether he still feels the same ?
He's entitled to his opinion.
Here is another person's view:

But the question is how would our government ever keep it a secret? Nothing in this country stays a secret very long. We can't even keep our own battle plans a secret inside our own Pentagon. Were there facts changed or disappeared?.....of course, it's government. Did the Bush administration run with this terror mantra for all it was worth? .......Of course they did, they are politicians and naturally shameless opportunists. Did business people make a killing on the last 9 years of war? Of course they did. We are still capitalists. As they did in Vietnam, Korea, WW2, WW1, and the Civil war. But the fact remains how could the hundreds if not thousands of agents, operatives and techs needed to make this perfect storm happen have possibly kept it a secret all this time? Until they can prove that case with concrete evidence and science, the rest of this conjecture is just political hype, mental masturbation to me.

The Port Authority underground diesel storage tanks for the complex backup generators were in the basement of building 7, according to the Popular Science investigation and the blue prints. Thousands of gallons of diesel fuel ignited by broken gas lines and the falling towers weakened the building superstructure causing the eventual collapse. A very logical explanation.

Here are a few of Richard Gage's contradictions:

Originally Posted by Latindancer

It's one thing to be ignorant. That is forgiveable. But to remain pig-headedly ignorant in the face of all the information and informed debate we have given you here is another thing entirely. And up till now (laughably) you haven't attempted to debate, relying only on Youtube and other links.

Originally Posted by Xxxxxxxxx Xxxxxxx

^Xxx xxxxxx xxxxxxxx. Xxxx xxxxxxx xxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx

Xxxxxx-man speak with forked tongue.

Nice to see that the troll still has you wrapped around hs little finger.

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

-Anton Vodvarka, Lt. FDNY (ret)

Albert, I appreciate Lt Vodvarka's input but he is just one Lt out of hundreds on the fire ground that day.

If the vast majority of Firefighters and high ranking Lt's came together on this subject it would put a whole new spin on things.

The fact remains that only a small percentage of first responders agree with your theory. Same as the Structural Engineers, only a small minority hold your theory.

The vast majority think you guys are barking up the wrong tree and your theory's are ridiculous. Cant argue with that EH as there spot on.

Further more we have the retard " The amazing ENT " stating that I reckon that heat only travels downwards through conduction.

Albert you need to get a new running partner, ENT is sadly fuked up and on his way to Sub_Zero.

Anyway Albert, I got another picture of Mr ENT coming up soon. Slow piss poor WI-FI I'm on though, might take a while.

Don't matter as ENT ain't doing anything else, maybe playing with his Black cat on his 11 meter steel boat.

Anyway ENT, you must have a massive sized bedroom to get that friggin boat in.

Originally Posted by terry57

I appreciate Lt Vodvarka's input but he is just one Lt out of hundreds on the fire ground that day.

If the vast majority of Firefighters and high ranking Lt's came together on this subject it would put a whole new spin on things.

Let's look at the numbers:

The FDNY, the largest municipal fire department in the United States, and the second largest in the world after the Tokyo Fire Department, has approximately 11,080 uniformed officers and firefighters and over 3,300 uniformed EMTs and paramedics.

So, that's a lot of people on staff - obviously, there will be a small fringe of those who have crazy ideas (that is, if they are even still firefighters) Why don't we take a look at what most firefighters think of FirefightersForTruth :-)

What Real Firefighters Think of Firefighters For Truth, page 1

Over at the FIREHOUSE.COM forum the person who started the group FIREFIGHTERS FOR TRUTH asked firefighters what they though of 9/11
conspiracy theories - the results are that firemen think anyone who believes
in such nonsense is in a word NUTS!

In fact, it sounds to me like most people on FirefighterForTruth aren't even firefighters. Weird, huh?

Originally Posted by Cthulhu

What Real Firefighters Think of Firefighters For Truth, page 1

Over at the FIREHOUSE.COM forum the person who started the group FIREFIGHTERS FOR TRUTH asked firefighters what they though of 9/11
conspiracy theories - the results are that firemen think anyone who believes
in such nonsense is in a word NUTS!

^ More disinformation from Cthulhu.

Only one person had that opinion. Check the site. What Real Firefighters Think of Firefighters For Truth, page 1

Get lost Scheisskopf.

Originally Posted by Koojo

Originally Posted by ENT

We'll never forget them.

I forgot them ages ago.

You'll be forgotten even sooner.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

I wonder where Ltn Vodvarka is now, and whether he still feels the same ?
He's entitled to his opinion.

He's retired and was still active in fighting for the truth last year.

You can stick to Disneyland, fluffy feel good toys and cartoons.