Thread: 9/11 was an inside job

Originally Posted by ENT

"The falling mass of the building compressed the air ahead of it, much like the action of a piston, forcing material, such as smoke and debris, out the windows as seen in several videos."

Great, except this is exactly what happens with a pancake collapse and why I asked previously if yourself and the others of your ilk understood what a pressure wave was? It not only blows outward but in the process sounds like an explosion.. Again try clapping your hands together the effects are the same..

Originally Posted by Latindancer

There is MASSIVE weight in a building like this. You don't understand the physics of scale. Google it.

Go tell it to the birds, in your own words or otherwise.

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

Oh yes I was watching a live, elaborate movie and no one knows it? Well one thing you don't know is that my sister in law was supposed to be on the 93rd floor of tower 2 where she worked but happened to be late that day so I DO have live personal information to go on.
I saw it live on TV as it happened and you sound more and more like a person that's gone over the edge..

You certainly did see it (the WTC towers collapse) on TV, as did millions of us around the world, no dispute there.

What you didn't see Flo, was a pancake collapse nor a piston collapse.

You saw a demolition, and while you were watching all that, and while you were emotionally vulnerable and shocked as the towers fell, the media were pumping verbal suggestions into your brain and you got

BRAINWASHED INTO BELIEVING EVERY SINGLE WORD THAT YOU HEARD ABOUT HOW A BUNCH OF ARABS HAD GUTTED AMERICA,

and you swallowed the whole story, as did millions of Americans who were tuned into the media brainwashing machine that day, so the next day ya'll goose-stepped along on Bush's suggestion that conspiracists were out to destroy ya as well!


Perfect.


Game. Set..... and.......Match.


That's how indoctrination and brainwash works. And it was all set up a long time ago, when you first started drinking the cool-aid, fluoride, ya'll got yer brains calcified.

Nope, unlike you, able to distinguish fact from fiction with my own eyes and applied knowledge... Also unlike you I didn't need to read dozens of pages of Internet conspiracy rubbish to come to my professional conclusions.. The irony here is who really is brainwashed? It's pretty clear to the sane ones here like myself who that is....

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

Originally Posted by ENT

"The falling mass of the building compressed the air ahead of it, much like the action of a piston, forcing material, such as smoke and debris, out the windows as seen in several videos."

Great, except this is exactly what happens with a pancake collapse and why I asked previously if yourself and the others of your ilk understood what a pressure wave was? It not only blows outward but in the process sounds like an explosion.. Again try clapping your hands together the effects are the same..

Ya got it all wrong. That was NIST's theory, which I don't subscribe to, as.....

It takes approx. 64 seconds for a pancake collapse not 10-11 seconds.

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

The irony here is who really is brainwashed? It's pretty clear to the sane ones here like myself who that is....

What?!! A CIA stooge like you? Sane???!!

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

Originally Posted by ENT

There was no 767 at full throttle, take a close look at the stupid cooky cooker morphing into building plane videos, ya jerk!

I've seen more factual evidence and understood it more then you ever will. I also know what full throttle sounds like..

OOOOhhh! Were you in the FBI? The secret service?

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

The irony here is who really is brainwashed? It's pretty clear to the sane ones here like myself who that is....

"The problem with us smart motherfvckers is that we seem like crazy motherfvckers to dumb mother fvckers like yourself"

If you weren't such a batty shill, the above quote would apply.

But as you are - we'll still use it anyway.

Originally Posted by sabang

"September 11 - The New Pearl Harbor." A documentary by Massimo Mazzucco.

Available free on-line-

Luogocomune - Sezioni


Five hours of hardcore Trutherism, yummy.

On one side of matters, a wall of official silence backed up by the usual "they would never do a thing like that (would they?)" flock doesn't cut it, and doesn't address anything.
On t'other, I'm afraid talk of Rothschild conspiracies and flying holograms hardly adds credibility- in fact it acts to discredit serious forensic study, and theory.
You certainly do not need to believe in Grand Conspiracies to believe that some people and agencies had foreknowledge, and sought to either benefit or insulate themselves from the effects of 911. My belief is that there is a very strong prima facie case for this, and the controlled demolition of WTC7 (the Salomon Bros building) is part and parcel of it. This is a serious allegation, indeed.

The allegation however that 911 itself was an 'inside job' is taking matters to an entirely higher level.

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

The irony here is who really is brainwashed? It's pretty clear to the sane ones here like myself who that is....

"The problem with us smart motherfvckers is that we seem like crazy motherfvckers to dumb mother fvckers like yourself"

If you weren't such a batty shill, the above quote would apply.

But as you are - we'll still use it anyway.

Yes your profanity is certainly an indication of your extraordinary level of intellect.. Must be at least in double digits..

Originally Posted by ENT

Here's the NIST theory.

NIST's final Report on the Twin Towers mentions the piston theory to attempt to explain away the ejections:

The falling mass of the building compressed the air ahead of it, much like the action of a piston, forcing material, such as smoke and debris, out the windows as seen in several videos.
There are several problems with this explanation, which we designate the piston theory.
9-11 Research: Squibs

Not that I subscribe to it, but carry on, as the term "piston collapse" is a mechanic's term which has been erroneously and conveniently taken up by NIST to explain a compression effect that they theorise occurred as each floor fell, so forcing puffs of dust out of the sides, leaving a much degraded outer shell and still standing, as in a volcanic caldera, a group of central core columns.

The trouble with the "collapsed piston effect" theory is that smoke from the explosive charges, "puffs of dust" that NIST so quaintly puts it, were heard and observed blowing out several floors below, and in advance of, the collapsing floors above them, so a no runner NIST theory there.

Neither the pancake theory nor the so called "collapsed piston" effect fit, as each tower would have taken around 64 seconds to collapse in a both theories, due to resistance inherent on each floor impacted from above and the distance between each floor, so the acceleration of the mass as it fell would have been much impeded, taking the towers far more time to collapse than the approximately 10-11 seconds recorded that day.

Yes and how does a piston collapse? From the top down or the bottom down? it is pushed downward but collapses as whole not in levels, actually in some terms they are often explained as the same thing it's more a technicality.

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

Originally Posted by ENT

There was no 767 at full throttle, take a close look at the stupid cooky cooker morphing into building plane videos, ya jerk!

I've seen more factual evidence and understood it more then you ever will. I also know what full throttle sounds like..

OOOOhhh! Were you in the FBI? The secret service?

I've already mentioned previously I was 10 years with the US Embassy in Thailand, beyond that I'm compelled to say no more, but it was in a legal capacity which covers a lot of ground..

Originally Posted by sabang

Can you show me one example of a high rise building collapsing in on itself due to a fire fuelled by office materials and heating oil? There are none, not even close- this includes buildings ablaze for 24 hours and more. Without even going into the exceedingly high temperaturs required to turn steel into putty, there is the matter of the even distribution of (super) heat across structural supports and columns required to impel such a pancake implosion, as opposed to a building toppling on it's side.

I used to work over the road (via elevated walkway) in the World Financial Centre. These are much more modern buildings than WTC7 (as were the twin towers), theoretically easier to collapse. They got slightly damaged too- but only cosmetically. Why so?- they are closer to the twin towers than WTC7, with only air separating them.

911 was an event unique in world history- but there was nothing unique at all about the fire that started in WTC7, according to official accounts. But we are to believe that, on this one day, this one building acted uniquely?

What keeps getting overlooked here is the additional damage from the impact that is the major distinction from ANY other high rise or building fire previously in history..

Originally Posted by sabang

On one side of matters, a wall of official silence backed up by the usual "they would never do a thing like that (would they?)" flock doesn't cut it, and doesn't address anything. On t'other, I'm afraid talk of Rothschild conspiracies and flying holograms hardly adds credibility- in fact it acts to discredit serious forensic study, and theory.

That was the whole point though.

That's the reason people like florida and tonybkk work so hard to pump out disinformation. Their MO is to try and get the viewer on side by using some credible info at first. Next they mix it with some bollocks. Finally they tell their viewer they're stupid.

It's as plane as day

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

Originally Posted by sabang

On one side of matters, a wall of official silence backed up by the usual "they would never do a thing like that (would they?)" flock doesn't cut it, and doesn't address anything. On t'other, I'm afraid talk of Rothschild conspiracies and flying holograms hardly adds credibility- in fact it acts to discredit serious forensic study, and theory.

That was the whole point though.

That's the reason people like florida and tonybkk work so hard to pump out disinformation. Their MO is to try and get the viewer on side by using some credible info at first. Next they mix it with some bollocks. Finally they tell their viewer they're stupid.

It's as plane as day

I've posted nothing but credible information in the face of complete nonsense. Furthermore in the interest of continued accuracy I've yet to call anyone "stupid", that's been people like you and your ilk modus operandi of debate and a reflection of intellect shortcomings, not mine..

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

the additional damage from the impact

Yes- see WTC3/ Marriott above. But there was no major damage to WTC7 from impact, slight damage only- from which a fire conceivably started. But then caused the building to collapse evenly on it's footprint, after just a few hours? Cough.

The WTC7 reality-deniers see it's collapse as suspicious simply because it LOOKS suspiciously like a controlled demolition....the way it falls evenly. They then tailor their responses around this.
Fortunately we have footage which FloridaBorn posted above, of a much smaller building ACTUALLY BEING PULLED SIDEWAYS, but still falling (well, the half that falls, anyway) in exactly the same manner.

Top-Down building collapse 2 - YouTube

The footage of fire in the above post is very revealing too.

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

I've posted nothing but credible information

Originally Posted by sabang

Cough

Beat me to it

Originally Posted by ENT

.Tessy had to take early retirement, mate.

That's very nasty ENT and a tad hurtful. I'm shattered.

ENT my Mad Mate, I worked 34 years in the business and then bolted with my well deserved pension, no early retirement for me ENT, I worked right up to my legal age of 55 and foked off.

Jealous as fuk ain't ya.

Its brilliant as I have much more time available to dismiss and fuk up you're stupid posts.


Look ENT , here's the clincher as to why you are viewed as something of a mentally challenged individual and complete raving goon.

Most trutherers don't seem to have a problem with admitting that the Twin Towers fell because of being impacted by those planes. Its easy as there's untold video available of the happening.

They stick to WTC 7 as that's a tad more difficult to understand.

But you ENT bang on that the Towers must of been rigged for explosion, no planes where highjacked and there where no Hi-Jackers.

You're simply viewed as a cartoon parody who has lost the plot but you're cut and pastes are really top class and I'll give you that.

They are not strictly correct though, many are full of mis information. You're paste concerning West Australian Firefighter fatalities are totally inaccurate.

In my 34 years we never lost a man to Motor Vehicle Accident as a matter of fact in the history of our brigade we have lost only one in this manner. That was in the 60's and he was from my station. We have his helmet hanging on the wall.

I can remember only one guy dying from heart attack and the vast majority of major injury has came from impact from falling debris, roofs etc.

Being caught out in explosions by gas cylinders has contributed as well as a few guys falling through roofs. A few guys have come close to being offed in bush fires but so far the Professionals have survived and its been the Volunteers who have perished.

Actually our biggest challenge now is work related cancer. So many of our personal have died in this way more than all other reasons put together. Its quite scary .

You're cut and pastes concerning our brigade are fucking useless and inaccurate to the max.

That why the vast majority of you're cut and pastes can't be relied upon as being a given.

Some tosser like you have just put together a pile of stats or opinions that cannot be considered fact.

Fuking numpty nancy boy ENT. Stupid fuk.