Thread: Trump to announce Jerusalem as capital of Israel

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Like I said it was the Ottomon Empire before the British stepped in so why don’t you talk about the destruction of the Ottoman Empire which would be the last entity to have control of the entire area before the British took over.

Whatever. Whoever was "in control". Why do European Jews have a right to displace the natives?

Originally Posted by Maanaam

The current discussion between us was started with you condemning Palestinains attacking Isrealis, so I asked the question: what would YOU do.
Answer that before you condemn Palestinain freedom fighters.

As per normal, when Israeli apologists are faced with real questions that would affect themselves, they divert.

How can you really claim that I was "diverting" .
You made up a simplistic hypothetical situation for myself and asked how I would react .
I suggested that we dont make-up hypothetical situations and stick to what really is happening .
I suggested that we stay on-topic, if anyone was diverting, it was you.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Whatever. Whoever was "in control". Why do European Jews have a right to displace the natives?

Because Israel is a Jewish state , you know, a State for Jewish people.
Israel, as a sovereign legitimate state can accept any immigrants it chooses, just like any other Country

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Like I said it was the Ottomon Empire before the British stepped in so why don’t you talk about the destruction of the Ottoman Empire which would be the last entity to have control of the entire area before the British took over.

So this ended with a wimper what 97 years ago? Lets talk about WW1 its later.....

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Whatever. Whoever was "in control". Why do European Jews have a right to displace the natives?

Why hey did anyone have the right to displace the Ottomons.

What gives me a laugh is how the news coverage is now about how trump has pissed off the entire ME outside of Israel.

It's a great example of how the US government is working now.

I wonder if this is hastening Tillerson's departure.

Originally Posted by Fluke

How can you really claim that I was "diverting" .
You made up a simplistic hypothetical situation for myself and asked how I would react .
I suggested that we dont make-up hypothetical situations and stick to what really is happening .
I suggested that we stay on-topic, if anyone was diverting, it was you.

No. the point, my point, was how can you condemn Palestinain freedom fighters when you refuse to empathise?

Originally Posted by Fluke

Because Israel is a Jewish state , you know, a State for Jewish people.
Israel, as a sovereign legitimate state can accept any immigrants it chooses, just like any other Country

Doh! We were talking in the context of the 1940's!!
Now we have a declared religiously based state that is stealing neighbouring lands because it has the support of the powerful US.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Why hey did anyone have the right to displace the Ottomons.

FFS. We are in the 21st century with international laws and conventions.
Extend your apparent argument and you should probably be displaced or killed by the indegenous people of wherever you come from.

Originally Posted by CSFFan

I wonder if this is hastening Tillerson's departure.

No, it's doing Kushner's and Bibi's bidding while at the same time diverting the press from the Russian ties debacle.
I am certain that is 45's sole purpose in this.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Doh! We were talking in the context of the 1940's!!
Now we have a declared religiously based state that is stealing neighbouring lands because it has the support of the powerful US.

Jews were living on that land, as they had been continuously for 2500 years , as had other people .
The land was under Turkish rule for 400 years and then British rule for 20 years , when the British left, the U.N decided to split the Country between the Jews and the Palestinians , as the Palestinan rejected their land, which included the west Bank, that land was taken over by Jordan, Jordan then relinquished rule over that land, rendering it vacant, Israel stepped in an took it .
Over 50 % of the West banks land had no owners, it was Government land, Israel took some of it

https://www.thebeaverton.com/2017/12...s-part-mexico/

Originally Posted by Fluke

Jews were living on that land, as they had been continuously for 2500 years , as had other people .
The land was under Turkish rule for 400 years and then British rule for 20 years , when the British left, the U.N decided to split the Country between the Jews and the Palestinians , as the Palestinan rejected their land, which included the west Bank, that land was taken over by Jordan, Jordan then relinquished rule over that land, rendering it vacant, Israel stepped in an took it .
Over 50 % of the West banks land had no owners, it was Government land, Israel took some of it

The Israel created by Europeans and which displaced the natives.
The Israel that decided it would take over lands that were not apportioned to "Israel".

So, what of the natives, and what of Israel's current, for the last 50 years, oppressing the natives, stealing their orchards and water?

^ Haha, good one and accurate.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

The Israel created by Europeans and which displaced the natives.
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More wrong things .
Israel was created by the U.N. The whole World voted .
No Palestinians in Israel were displaced, they were all given Israeli citizenship , there are now 1 million Palestinian Arabs living happily in Israel . Israel proper that is, not the west bank or gaza

Originally Posted by Maanaam

The Israel created by Europeans and which displaced the natives.
.

More wrong things .
Israel was created by the U.N. The whole World voted .
No Palestinians in Israel were displaced, they were all given Israeli citizenship , there are now 1 million Palestinian Arabs living happily in Israel . Israel proper that is, not the west bank or gaza

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Like I said it was the Ottomon Empire before the British stepped in so why don’t you talk about the destruction of the Ottoman Empire which would be the last entity to have control of the entire area before the British took over.

The Turks don't want the Ottoman Empire back.

And by the way, it wasn't just Britain. France helped out too.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

The Israel that decided it would take over lands that were not apportioned to "Israel".

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It wasnt really a "decision"
Syria, Egypt and Jordon, who ruled those lands simultaneously attacked Israel, with the intention of wiping Israel off the map . Israel fought back and took those lands, after the rulers ran away

Originally Posted by Fluke

More wrong things .
Israel was created by the U.N. The whole World voted .
No Palestinians in Israel were displaced, they were all given Israeli citizenship

Originally Posted by Neverna

The Turks don't want the Ottoman Empire back.

Jordon doesnt want the West bank back either.

Originally Posted by Fluke

Goodbye Pragmatic, I knew that it was you, but I gave you another chance, you have shown once again that you cannot talk without being abusive . Join your other handle on my ignore list

That's funny - Piwi used to block me as well when he was proven unequivocally to be wrong and nothing but a racist moron.


... and no, I am not Prag. I had that fecker on block once myself as well.

Originally Posted by Fluke

Syria, Egypt and Jordon, who ruled those lands simultaneously attacked Israel, with the intention of wiping Israel off the map . Israel fought back and took those lands, after the rulers ran away

Recently, I have posted here a link to documentary of Al Jazeera about Swedish Count Bernadotte who had mediated the Israel - Palestine problems.

Folke Bernadotte, Count of Wisborg (2 January 1895 – 17 September 1948) was a Swedish diplomat and nobleman. During World War II he negotiated the release of about 31,000 prisoners from German concentration camps including 450 Danish Jews from the Theresienstadt camp. They were released on 14 April 1945.[1][2][3] In 1945, he received a German surrender offer from Heinrich Himmler, though the offer was ultimately rejected.

After the war, Bernadotte was unanimously chosen to be the United Nations Security Council mediator in the Arab–Israeli conflict of 1947–1948. He was assassinated in Jerusalem in 1948 by the militant Zionist group Lehi while pursuing his official duties. Upon his death, Ralph Bunche took up his work at the UN, but was removed from the post around six months after Bernadotte was assassinated, at the critical period of recognition of the fledgling state.

Bernadotte wrote that: "in putting forward any proposal for the solution of the Palestine problem, one must bear in mind the aspirations of the Jews, the political difficulties and differences of opinion of the Arab leaders, the strategic interests of Great Britain, the financial commitment of the United States and the Soviet Union, the outcome of the war, and finally the authority and prestige of the United Nations."[30]

Bernadotte was assassinated on Friday 17 September 1948 by members of the armed Jewish Zionist group Lehi (commonly known as the Stern Gang or Stern Group).

It is alleged that a three-man 'center' of Lehi had approved the killing: Yitzhak Yezernitsky (the future Prime Minister of Israel Yitzhak Shamir), Nathan Friedmann (also called Natan Yellin-Mor) and Yisrael Eldad (also known as Scheib). A fourth leader, Emmanuel Strassberg (Hanegbi) was also suspected by the Israeli Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion of being part of the group that had decided on the assassination.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folke_Bernadotte

Originally Posted by Norton

Burn baby burn. Protests aka riots across the mid east are well under way. The divider in chief has set off a shit storm. What an ignorant asshole he is. He won't be so fucking cocky when his ill thought out action comes back to bite the US in the ass with more terrorist attacks. More fuel for terrorist recruiters. Smooth move Exlax.

his son in law is apparently doing the ME foreigner policy, all unofficial, direct backdoor with Israel

where is the "uproar" for interfering in this US administration and possibly the US election ?

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Jerusalem: for the first time in all the long years of the American century we now have in the White House a reckless and ignorant American President. The world is an even more dangerous place tonight.

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The main aim of the Israelie people is to rebuild the Jewish Temple that Solomon originally built back in the same exact place in Jerusalem .
Trouble is, a Mosque is squatting on the mount.

exactly, and the good news is that once it's rebuilt, the real Jesus Christ will come to earth and kill everyone

fucking awesome