Thread: Trump to announce Jerusalem as capital of Israel

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Most of Israeli Jews are Europeans or descendants thereof. They may be Jewish by religion, but are certainly not native to the Levant.

Correct.

We want to return to our homeland! Where? Miami or Romania.

Originally Posted by Fluke

apart from the people who do not think that Israel should exist

Originally Posted by Fluke

That wouldnt make any sense at all, because a country that doesnt exist, cannot have a capital city

So, on the one hand you casually toss out the old chestnut implying anyone who thinks Israel should not exist (in a very Israeli "We Jews are victims" kind of way) is a nasty person, and on the other hand do not recognise the native people of Palestine and their right to exist in their own country.

You remind me of that gay bigot Jingthing on TVF.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

So, on the one hand you casually toss out the old chestnut implying anyone who thinks Israel should not exist (in a very Israeli "We Jews are victims" kind of way) is a nasty person, and on the other hand do not recognise the native people of Palestine and their right to exist in their own country.

You remind me of that gay bigot Jingthing on TVF.

I didnt not say that people who think that Israel should not exist are "terrible people" and I also didnt say that Palestinians do not have a right to exist as a Country .
Your post is complete nonsense

Originally Posted by Fluke

Everyone who accepts Israels right to exist accepts that West Jerusalem is within Israels legal boundaries, as a Country

no, they don't and that's why the us (both republican and democratic admins) has never moved its embassy to jerusalem.

the us has been waiting for israel and the palestinians to make a peace deal based on the 1967 borders (with some swapping of land taking place).

some deals even call for all of jerusalem to be identified as in international city.

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

no, they don't and that's why the us (both republican and democratic admins) has never moved its embassy to jerusalem.

the us has been waiting for israel and the palestinians to make a peace deal based on the 1967 borders (with some swapping of land taking place).

some deals even call for all of jerusalem to be identified as in international city.

West Jerusalem is within the boundaries of Israel proper , no one disputes this (apart from people whos geography isnt very good and they have no idea where the boundary is ) is Arab east Jerusalem, that is the issue .
West Jerusalem is a modern day city , East Jerusalem is the old city and surrounding cluster of shacks that hasnt changed for 1000 years

Originally Posted by Fluke

West Jerusalem is within the boundaries of Israel proper

true, but it's been expanded east with settlements, etc.

so, just saying "west jerusalem is part of israel" is not technically correct.

the 1967 borders are technically correct and are what "land for peace" negotiations are based on, of course.

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

true, but it's been expanded east with settlements, etc.

so, just saying "west jerusalem is part of israel" is not technically correct.

the 1967 borders are technically correct and are what "land for peace" negotiations are based on, of course.

West Jerusalem is within the 1967 borders , so, it is indeed technicaly correct

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

the 1967 borders are technically correct

No, that includes land conquered, which by international law should not be annexed or settled. The borders were set in 1947, but no Israeli government has ever officially acknowledged any border. The 1967 "borders" are granted grudgingly because of the victim Jew pity and lobby, and because now it is just too established to evacuate.
Bibi's continued expansion into Palestine is all part of the same long term plan; expand, settle, then become too settled for anyone to be able to kick them out.
The original Likud Party manifesto specifically stated "From the sea to the river" (and there is evidence that the river mentioned is the Euphrates, not the Jordan!).
They have removed that now because it's far too damning of their intent but everyone knows it's still in mind.

Originally Posted by Fluke

West Jerusalem is within the 1967 borders , so, it is indeed technicaly correct

if that's the case, great: israel will be willing to give up all of jerusalem that is east of the 1967 borders.

https://www.npr.org/sections/paralle...li-settlements

Shortly after the 1967 war, Israel annexed East Jerusalem, which is part of the West Bank and had a population that was then entirely Palestinian. Israel declared the entire city to be Israel's "eternal and indivisible" capital.

No other country recognizes Israel's annexation of East Jerusalem, with the United States and others saying the city's status must be determined in negotiations. This is why the U.S. and other countries have never moved their embassies to Jerusalem. Most are in Tel Aviv.


The Palestinians, meanwhile, claim the eastern part of the city as their future capital.


Around 200,000 Israelis now live in East Jerusalem. Combined with the roughly 400,000 settlers in the West Bank, about 600,000 Israelis now live beyond the country's 1967 borders. That's nearly 10 percent of Israel's 6.3 million Jewish citizens.

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

if that's the case, great: israel will be willing to give up all of jerusalem that is east of the 1967 borders.

Although that land contains Christianity's and Judaisms most Holy sites , the Church of the Holy Sepulcher and the Western wall of the Temple of David , would the World want that to fall into the hands of an Islamic state ?
Islamic states have a history of destroying things

In my young years I had often heard, those neigbours no longer live here, they were Jewish, they moved to Palestine (never was spoken about an "Israel")...

Originally Posted by Fluke

Islamic states have a history of destroying things

That's 'IS' Fluke.

A jihadist militant group.

Not states that are Islamic.

But you know that of course. You just can't stop fishing.

Originally Posted by cyrille

That's 'IS' Fluke.

A jihadist militant group.

Not states that are Islamic.

But you know that of course. You just can't stop fishing.

The Palestinians from the Gaza strip want a hard line Islamic state , based of Sharia law , that is the goal of Hamas .
Although Hamas do not control the West Bank , any unity between the two, West Bank and Gaza would lead to a power struggle between the two , if Hamas comes out on top , the West bank will become an Islamic state with Sharia law .

Originally Posted by Fluke

The Palestinians from the Gaza strip want a hard line Islamic state , based of Sharia law , that is the goal of Hamas .
Although Hamas do not control the West Bank , any unity between the two, West Bank and Gaza would lead to a power struggle between the two , if Hamas comes out on top , the West bank will become an Islamic state with Sharia law .

Oh, ok then, lets just kick all the native Palestinians into the ocean and let the Israelis have their "river to the sea" Promised Land.
Sounds fair.

You are an idiot Fluke, as well as the least respected poster on this forum. Go take your bigotry and lies to the Doghouse- at least we can get a laugh there from the train wreck of your life.

Originally Posted by sabang

You are an idiot Fluke, as well as the least respected poster on this forum. Go take your bigotry and lies to the Doghouse- at least we can get a laugh there from the train wreck of your life.

If all that you can do is to call people names and to yell abuse and to make personal attacks, IMO, that makes you the idiot .

Originally Posted by sabang

You are an idiot Fluke, as well as the least respected poster on this forum. Go take your bigotry and lies to the Doghouse- at least we can get a laugh there from the train wreck of your life.

Typical "liberal" lefty thug as well .
"Open minded",unless someone disagrees with you , then attacks them and tries to get them silenced
Makes false accusations and yells personal abuse ,
Time for you and Nervena to gang up with all the other "liberals" to try to get free speech silenced

This is what Israel is trying to steal from the Palestinian people by taking their land.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

This is what Israel is trying to steal from the Palestinian people by taking their land.

Thats the sea Harry, that isnt land

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

This is what Israel is trying to steal from the Palestinian people by taking their land.

Thai main gas/oil fields are in Israeli territory , the small ones off the Gaza coast are quite insignificant, due to their size and it wouldnt be financially viable to extract the oil/gas at current prices

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

This is what Israel is trying to steal from the Palestinian people by taking their land.

Look at the oil/gas reserves, those are the grey dots (in the sea) .
You will notice that the big ones are off the Israeli coast and the smaller ones are off the Gazian coast .

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

You also do not have any reasonable explanation as to how the West bank would have any claims to oil/gas in the Mediterranean, when the West Bank isnt on the Mediterranean

Thai main gas/oil fields are in Israeli territory , the small ones off the Gaza coast are quite insignificant, due to their size and it wouldnt be financially viable to extract the oil/gas at current prices

More lies & bullshit- can you even lie strait in bed?


The Palestinians signed a memorandum of intent on November 8, 1999 with British Gas and a company linked to the Palestinian Authority, the Consolidated Contractors Company, giving them rights to explore the area.^[2][3] The discovered natural gas reserve was calculated to have 35 BCM, larger than Israel's Yam Tethys maritime gas field.^[3] It was found in two small gas fields dubbed Gaza Marine 1 and Gaza Marine 2.

.... As of 2017, the Gaza Marine field licenses were owned by PIF (Palestine) with 17.5% of the field development rights, Consolidated Contractors Company (Palestine) owns 27.5% of these rights and Shell 55%.^[5] The development and gas extraction rights belong to the Palestinians alone.

Full Article- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natura...the_Gaza_Strip

Ironically, for one of the poorest & most malnourished places in the world, the Gaza strip is actually quite wealthy, with it's offshore natural gas reserves and rich fisheries. Both blockaded by Israhell.