Thread: Trump to announce Jerusalem as capital of Israel

Originally Posted by sabang

And east bank trespassers and foreign soldiers are NOT Palestinian citizens.

I do realise that you are trying to be clever .
Referring to Israelis as foreigners .
Not until you and people like you, accept Israel as being a legitimate Country , will the stalemate ever be broken .
Yourself, like many others are just using the Palestinian cause to rid the World of Israel .
Arabs do not care about the Palestinian cause , as they dont care about the Kurds or Marsh Arab cause .
Their on care is the destruction of Israel , until you guys accept Israels right to exist, there will be no peace

Originally Posted by Fluke

Those are laws for both Israelis and Palestinians , the same law for Israeli Jews and Muslims alike

Like many of the laws, they are crafted to discriminate. This one for instance. It is far far more likely to affect an Israeli Arab than an Israeli Jew. So much so that the UN passed a resolution stating that this Israeli law violated an international human rights treaty against racism.

How about government sponsored fertility programs? Non-Jews are not allowed. Discrimination against citizens based on religion.
How about vetting Arabs before they can move into a neighbourhood? Jews aren't vetted, and of course, it's very easy to be declined if you're an Arab.
According to a 2005 study at Hebrew University, three times more money was invested in education of Jewish children as in Arab children.
In March 2010, a report released by several Israeli civil rights groups stated that the current Knesset was "the most racist in Israeli history" with 21 bills proposed in 2008 and 2009 that would discriminate against the country's Arab minority.
And so on, and so on.

Yes, they may be equal under most laws but what is de jure and what is de facto are two different things when the laws are made to discriminate.

Originally Posted by Fluke

Not until you and people like you, accept Israel as being a legitimate Country , will the stalemate ever be broken .
Yourself, like many others are just using the Palestinian cause to rid the World of Israel .

Utter rubbish.
Indeed Israel should never have been formed, but it was and it's there to stay. However, they can not be excused or allowed to keep expanding into Palestinian territory.
The Palestinians are an occupied people under military law, not civil law, so when a settler commits a crime (lets say vandalism) he is treated by civil law, and the Palestinian who did the same thing ten metres away is punished under military law, and a whole lot more harshly.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

I don't usuallu resort to name calling (except for the resident jerk), and I'm sorely tempted to bring myself down to your level here, but I won't.

Your argument about displaced natives is hollow. What happened 200 or 2000 years ago has nothing to do with events since the UN, the Geneva Convention, and International Law were established.
Same goes for your silly "Well Muslims persecute Jews elsewhere, thus Jews are allowed to persecute Muslims in Palestine". Actually, I give you credit here in that you are essentially admitting that the Palestinians are persecuted, which is a step up from Fluke's refusal to do so.

BTW, there are plenty of countries where natives have never in history been displaced. Almost all of the Pacifica countries (a dozen or so ?), and I suspect a few African countries. No bonus to the Palestinians, but just because it happened many times in the past does not justify European Jews doing it them today. And it is happening today.

Listen Maanaam, I apologize for my post. Its not my fault but the fu.. Spaniards. It was their wine I drank last night that made me say the things I did
I just have one thing to ask you........?
Where are the REAL protests from the "Brothers in Arms" ?
Have you noticed, there is none. O.K. maybe here some at TD.
The Intifada is a fart blown in the wind, and no MUSLIM gives a shit.
Where is Turkey, Indonesia, Iran, and the rest of the BOZOS ?
I have stated it here at TD so many times. No one gives a shit about the Palis, except democratic western countries....and now listen up Buddy....there are Israelis who care MORE than your backwards STUPID FUCKING MUSLIM BROTHERS.
Sorry Buddy, but that is the TRUTH!

Very much the truth, the Palis' own worst enemy and to a great extent most countries in that region are their own leaders.

Easy to scrutinise and find Israel treating Israeli Arabs as lesser than Israelis, and many intl organisations thrive on doing just that, but for a more honest picture try offering an Israeli Arab a bunch of money to go live in an Arab hellhole and see if he doesn't tell you to go fcuk your mother.

Originally Posted by jabir

Very much the truth, the Palis' own worst enemy and to a great extent most countries in that region are their own leaders.

Easy to scrutinise and find Israel treating Israeli Arabs as lesser than Israelis, and many intl organisations thrive on doing just that, but for a more honest picture try offering an Israeli Arab a bunch of money to go live in an Arab hellhole and see if he doesn't tell you to go fcuk your mother.

And so we all should ignore Israel's crimes against humanity as Herman suggests, because nobody cares about the Palestinians?

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

No one gives a shit about the Palis, except democratic western countries....and now listen up Buddy....there are Israelis who care MORE than your backwards STUPID FUCKING MUSLIM BROTHERS.

Anybody agrees with this statement?

^ There are certainly Jewish Israelis who are sensitive to the plight of the Palestinians. They recognise their government is a nasty ethnic cleansing arpartheid monster.
Plenty of them. The Zionists call them "self-hating Jews" and despise them.
But then, the Zionist will put a derogatory label on anyone who criticises Israel. Antisemite is the most common and most often innaccurate. Critcising Israel is not antisemitism no matter how much the Zionists will try to make out that it is.

Ya gota call it though.

Trump moving the Embassy will in no way affect the Jews-Arab relationship or chances of reconciliation because they never had a relationship and have hated each other for ever and forever will.

So I salute Trump for doing stuff his way and fook the Arabs.

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Where is Turkey, Indonesia, Iran, and the rest of the BOZOS ?

Especially in these days, you can see it in many TV news (not VoA).
Not only the ones from UN (the ones who till now did not dare to anger the Big Brother, even the GCC...)
There are so many on the cities streets enraged what is now happening to Palestinians. Just seeing (at TRT World) from Jakarta...

Originally Posted by terry57

Trump moving the Embassy will in no way affect the Jews-Arab relationship or chances of reconciliation

I think that's wrong. The plans have already been drawn up to demolish the mosque and build a temple on the Mount. Bibi just needs a bit of support and encouragement to go through with it.
It would spark such a wave of death that we might even call it ww3

^

Fair enough.

So this might be better than.

The Jews and Arabs hate each other, no matter what happens it will always be the same.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

I think that's wrong. The plans have already been drawn up to demolish the mosque and build a temple on the Mount. Bibi just needs a bit of support and encouragement to go through with it.
It would spark such a wave of death that we might even call it ww3

Where did you read that ?
I dont believe that thats true

Originally Posted by Maanaam

. Antisemite is the most common and most often innaccurate. Critcising Israel is not antisemitism no matter how much the Zionists will try to make out that it is.

Criticising Israel,just because its a Jewish Country is anti semetic , you oppose Jews for having their own country, solely based on that that are Jews.
Just own up top it, you dont like Jews , fair enough, you are entitled to that onion

Originally Posted by Fluke

Criticising Israel,just because its a Jewish Country is anti semetic

This is always the best "argument", after this no discussion, no facts are needed...

I reckon all these "antisemetic" people must come from "Jordon".

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Hey listen you silly Schmuck ! Show me one country, I repeat, just one country in this world where so called natives have not been displaced ? Hungary, Canada, China, Germany, France, Myanmar, Russia maybe you want to try Mars....Jupiter ?
Now why should the Palis get a bonus for being displaced?
We all know dam well if it was the other way around Jews and Christians would not get a break (from your muzzie brothers) what so ever.
If so......please name a Muslim country where so.
Jews and Christians are being oppressed in every muslim country in this world....and that is a FACT ! Schmuck!

It should also be stated that many of the current Palestinians ancestors also came from other Countries.
Before Israel became a state , many Arabs from other Countries moved to the land because of the prosperity that the Jews bought

Originally Posted by Fluke

Criticising Israel,just because its a Jewish Country is anti semetic , you oppose Jews for having their own country, solely based on that that are Jews.
Just own up top it, you dont like Jews , fair enough, you are entitled to that onion

Perfect response to my point, thank you. You've made my point nicely. Anyone who criticises Israel MUST be antisemitc and hate Jews.
Wrong.
I oppose a state (regardless of their ethnic or religious background) that steal the land of native people and force, at the point of a gun, them to be 2nd class citizens. I oppose a people who ignore international law and breach it daily.
West Papua is another of my bugbears....and NB I'm going against a Muslim state here.
Thank you for emphasising my point about the Zionists.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Perfect response to my point, thank you. You've made my point nicely. Anyone who criticises Israel MUST be antisemitc and hate Jews.
Wrong.
I oppose a state (regardless of their ethnic or religious background) that steal the land of native people and force, at the point of a gun, them to be 2nd class citizens. I oppose a people who ignore international law and breach it daily.
West Papua is another of my bugbears....and NB I'm going against a Muslim state here.
Thank you for emphasising my point about the Zionists.

How about the USA , they stole red Indians land and nearly wiped them out and how about Australia and its Aborigines ? What about Chinese taken over Singapore ?
What about the Rohinga in Myanmar ?
They have been murdered and thrown off their land , half a million of them .
What about Brits in Northern Ireland ?
What about the 1 million stateless people in Thailand ?
The Palestinians get treated equally in Israel and they have a higher standard of living than many Palestinians living in other Countries , every wondered why theres no sign of discontent from the 1 Million Palestinians living in Israel?
Why do you feel the need to complain on their behalf ?

Originally Posted by terry57

The Jews and Arabs hate each other, no matter what happens it will always be the same

All started when that David kid wacked Goliath the Palestine (or sumpin like that) on the noggin with a big rock. They really need to get over it.

Originally Posted by Fluke

How about the USA , they stole red Indians land and nearly wiped them out and how about Australia and its Aborigines ? What about Chinese taken over Singapore ?
What about the Rohinga in Myanmar ?
They have been murdered and thrown off their land , half a million of them .
What about Brits in Northern Ireland ?
What about the 1 million stateless people in Thailand ?
The Palestinians get treated equally in Israel and they have a higher standard of living than many Palestinians living in other Countries , every wondered why theres no sign of discontent from the 1 Million Palestinians living in Israel?
Why do you feel the need to complain on their behalf ?

See...right there, as per usual the Israel apologists respond with non sequitur replies.
I made a comment about Zionists blaming antisemitism on everything critical of Israel, you responded by accusing me of hating Jews, I thanked you for making my point, and you respond with "what about..."


OK, so you've got no response to me thanking you for giving us a good example of my point. Done. Thank you again.
Now let me respond to your non sequitur: So what? Does whatever Australia has done to Aborigenes mean that Israel is innocent? Answer, no.
We have been over it a few times, stop being densely stubborn; Arab Israeli citizens are not treated equaly and occupied Palestinians are severely oppressed.
It's common knowledge and no matter how many news articles and how many facts you are presented with, you just keep on harping fallacy.

Originally Posted by Fluke

Before Israel became a state , many Arabs from other Countries moved to the land because of the prosperity that the Jews bought

Hmm..., and where did all the Jews in Israel come from?

Also, do you know how many Israeli citizens have never lived in Israel?

Originally Posted by Maanaam

See...right there, as per usual the Israel apologists respond with non sequitur replies.
I made a comment about Zionists blaming antisemitism on everything critical of Israel, you responded by accusing me of hating Jews, I thanked you for making my point, and you respond with "what about..."


OK, so you've got no response to me thanking you for giving us a good example of my point. Done. Thank you again.
Now let me respond to your non sequitur: So what? Does whatever Australia has done to Aborigenes mean that Israel is innocent? Answer, no.
We have been over it a few times, stop being densely stubborn; Arab Israeli citizens are not treated equaly and occupied Palestinians are severely oppressed.
It's common knowledge and no matter how many news articles and how many facts you are presented with, you just keep on harping fallacy.

My point was that various things happened and are currently happened in various Countries around the World , similar to what has happened in Israel , but you dont seem to care about them (of course you will claim that you do) , but you just focus on Israel .
You oppose Zionism, solely because its Jews , you support the Palestinians , solely because they oppose Jews and you , as many others, would like a Palestinian state created with the sole intention of them getting rid of Israel

Originally Posted by stroller

Also, do you know how many Israeli citizens have never lived in Israel?

I dont know, no, do tell me

Originally Posted by Maanaam

See...right there, as per usual the Israel apologists respond with non sequitur replies.

It just sounds wrong when Muslism use words like freedom, equal rights etc.
Its a bit like Stroller telling us "Don't do Drugs!"