Thread: Bali Executions

Originally Posted by terry57

I despise these do gooders. They add nothing to this world.

If you ever fall afoul of a corrupt legal system, an incompetent forensic scientist or a politician wanting to be seen as tough on crime you might change your tune.

The death penalty is a kindness to some of the twisted fuks getting about. They simply do not merit any further tenure on human existence.

The main problem is that society just does not have the stomach for it.

Too much anguished hand-wringing about whether we would be breaking some moral taboo.

I thought a workaround might be to put the sik fuks into medically induced coma to unwind their biological clocks in unconscious oblivion so the hand-wringers could sleep at night knowing that the process was reversible in the event of some DNA error (how ever vanishingly unlikely that is these days) even though we would only be doing it to dead set sik fuks who are bang to rights and don't even regret their actions.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Cling to your illusions as instilled by a meaningless existence on the western shores of a continent featuring little other than space, rock, dust and suburban tedium by all means, but the sum total of your contribution to the planet within the universe is represented by the energy produced when you die and your corpse rots away into atoms as infinite as your stupidity.

If by this you mean he's a dumb, clueless Ozzie cvnt, I'd have to agree.

Originally Posted by Looper

The death penalty is a kindness to some of the twisted fuks getting about. They simply do not merit any further tenure on human existence.

The main problem is that society just does not have the stomach for it.

Too much anguished hand-wringing about whether we would be breaking some moral taboo.

I must have misunderstood you, Looper. I got the impression from your posts that you considered yourself a morally principled person. Or are you actually one of those suffering from anguished hand-wringing?

^if you want to take part in the argument then try to engage your brain before logging in nevema.

The criminal apologists are the ones suffering from hand-wringing.

Originally Posted by Looper

The criminal apologists are the ones suffering from hand-wringing.

I thought their stance was more along the lines of ignorance (poor value system), than hand wringing Looper, but then we are discussing the execution of two stalwart citizens of Australia...meaningless loss in the bigger picture of things.

Ronin goes on and on about the cruelty of it all, yet has nothing to compare it to in the broader spectrum of death and dieing in the natural sense of the worlds calamities...but then those deaths are insignificant.

BTW, why are you continuing this discussion with these folks? Waste of time Looper. You should be well on about your daily flogging of your Russian lady and forget about this crap!

^I am stuck in freezing Canberra for the weekend due to last-minute weather-related flight cancellations so I have take out my frustrations in Speakers Corner.

Originally Posted by Black Heart

Originally Posted by Latindancer

Not really. Often they have profound psychiatric problems. It has been estimated that 40% of prisoners have some form of mental illness.

Don't make excuses.

Asshole.

That's quite funny.



But you need to put some kind of smiley down the bottom, mate.

This thread makes me so fucking sad.

The important issue is about how these 7 lifes was so fucked up they needed to trade in this business.

Once that illegal trade is removed and legal controlled trade is allowed I will be much happier.

No more loss of life and heaps of cash going towards schemes to help people.

Originally Posted by Loy Toy

This thread makes me so fucking sad.

The important issue is about how these 7 lifes was so fucked up they needed to trade in this business.

Once that illegal trade is removed and legal controlled trade is allowed I will be much happier.

No more loss of life and heaps of cash going towards schemes to help people.

Killing a few dummies 10 years after the fact while they allowed Henky who was caught with 40,000 pills in a pill making factory with a jail sentence and allowed to making and selling drugs from jail is not going to stop the trade LT.

Originally Posted by stroller

The question remains:
Which "avenged victim" will have "the warm feeling of satisfaction from revenge" when Atlaoui, or Rodrigo Gularte get executed?

The Indonesian people ?


According to a poll conducted by the Indo Barometer agency among 1,200 people last month, more than 84 per cent of those questioned were in favour of sentencing drug traffickers to death.


Allah says:
“O You who believe, intoxicants, gambling, and the altars of idols, and the games of chance are abominations of the devil; you shall avoid them , that you may succeed.”

Sure, there always are people who get a hard-on from executions...
Islam is not the only religion condemning intoxicants.

But, who of the 84% of 1200 were victims of Atlaoui or Gularte's crimes?

Looks to me the resentment stems to a large extend from government propaganda against the involvement of foreigners in the Indo dugs trade - as pointed out earlier by KW in the linked article.

Originally Posted by Looper

I am stuck in freezing Canberra for the weekend due to last-minute weather-related flight cancellations so I have take out my frustrations in Speakers Corner.

Explains it all. Great arguments btw, can't green you as well. You had at least 5 posts that were greenable...get the ski's out?

Originally Posted by Loy Toy

No more loss of life and heaps of cash going towards schemes to help people.

Should create a huge "medical bill." Lots of overdoses and other medical emergencies, but what matters most is that our drug culture gets adequate drug support...nice one there LT.

Originally Posted by Neverna

Originally Posted by Looper

The death penalty is a kindness to some of the twisted fuks getting about. They simply do not merit any further tenure on human existence.

The main problem is that society just does not have the stomach for it.

Too much anguished hand-wringing about whether we would be breaking some moral taboo.

I must have misunderstood you, Looper. I got the impression from your posts that you considered yourself a morally principled person. Or are you actually one of those suffering from anguished hand-wringing?

Originally Posted by Looper

^if you want to take part in the argument then try to engage your brain before logging in nevema.

The criminal apologists are the ones suffering from hand-wringing.

Ahh, name calling. A sure sign you are losing the argument.

Anyway, what I wanted to be clear of, and you have made it clear, is that you are out of moral synch with your own society.

^Seeking Bio-diversity I think...

Question to ask yourselves why is all the focus on Indonesia, when many other countries execute on a regular basis.

Between 1997 - 2014 only 27 were executed. .

New president first 100 days in office 6 with a possible 10 more.

I think you have answered it. The change in policy is startling.

In 2015 should we really be shooting healthy young men in the heart?

Young men who have committed no violent crime and had already spent 10 years in a third world jail for the same crime they were murdered for.

Originally Posted by Neverna

Ahh, name calling. A sure sign you are losing the argument.

What are you doing on this thread nevema? You have not offered any opinion or point of view as far as I can see.

^
He refuses to answer until you spell his Nic correctly!

sorry this is the easiest stats to find,its American stats of executions for 2014.

Execution List 2014 | Death Penalty Information Center

Here's a wiki page on capital punishment in Indonesia. It includes a list of the names, nationalities and crimes of those who have been executed. It also says that capital punishment in Indonesia is restricted to 16 crimes, which it lists.

Capital punishment in Indonesia

Originally Posted by Horatio Hornblower

He refuses to answer until you spell his Nic correctly!

He? You are kidding aren't you HH. Nevema is a girl.

So today in the local rag our Foreign Minister Julie Bishop has said its time to move on from the executions and rebuild Australia's relationship with Indonesia.

These two criminals have been dead for five fuking minutes and after all the shit the Government kicked up it's already time to move on.

Further more she said that the Diplomat withdrawn from Jakarta will be returning soon as there is many important issues to deal with Beyond the Executions.

So already its back to business.

Regards any Australians boycotting Bali the Indonesians simply say that it's a great idea.

They are sick and tired of the drunken Aussie chav scum polluting the Island.

Fair enough that huh. All quite fair responses.

Nothing changes though, the Aussies simply love the place and two druggies getting sent down simply will make zero difference regards Aussies visiting the Island.

The retard Chav Granny said she is ready to get it over and done with.

Won't be to long before she gets the one way ride.

Oh well, another class one drug smugglers down.

Originally Posted by stroller

But, who of the 84% of 1200 were victims of Atlaoui or Gularte's crimes?

I would consider all Indonesian people victims if what is said about Atlaoui are true.

Serge Areski Atlaoui - France
The 51-year old was arrested in November 2005 and charged with possessing 138.6 kilogrammes of methamphetamine, 290 kilogrammes of ketamine and 316 drums of precursor at a drug-making factory in Tangerang.

Is there realy a shortage of welders in Indonesia ?
He didn't know what was going on in the factory ?

Atlaoui, from Metz, east of Paris, has always maintained his innocence, saying he was only paid to maintain machines in the factory where the drugs were found.
"He was abused. We have always said that he was welding machines in a factory producing acrylic," his lawyer, Richard Sedillot, told French newspaper La Croix.

How much money was he making at this factory ? Did he have a working permit ?
Or is he maybe responsible for the making of thousands of kilos of drugs.Therefore responsible for the addiction of hundreds of young Indonesian ?
Meaning: Indonesians = Victims

Originally Posted by terry57

So today in the local rag our Foreign Minister Julie Bishop has said its time to move on from the executions and rebuild Australia's relationship with Indonesia.

That didn't take long

All water under the bridge eh!