Thread: 1st time over a decade I have gone 24 hours without a cigarette

Originally Posted by Submaniac

and if your using the comically incorrect calculations, yes it's been a month

Cool... Even a stopped clock is right twice per day!

Anyway, again, well done. You're a better man than I! I'm still at the stage of finding 'convenient' excuses not to quite.

Originally Posted by DrAndy

So, I am wrong about that?

smokers throwing their butts everwhere, thinking they are just small? even still lit - why do you think the verges of roads have the most fires?

smokers lighting up and spoiling others enjoyment of the environment? the stink of smoke polluting the fresh air, or even spoiling others enjoyment of their meals?

smokers making themselves sick so their families have to look after them?

yes, dirty and selfish

There are a few smokers who realise this and go out of their way to try not to make others suffer, but they are a minority, unfortunately

Yes, you have never smoked. And yeah, I am a more forgiving person when it comes to smoking. I can't really complain about the "selfishness" of others as I have engaged in the same selfish behaviors. All I can say is to encourage anyone who wants to quit.

^^^Why is this turning into a "smokers are all cnuts" thread now then?

No fucking need for it at all, and yet again, you come across as someone who has never smoked.

You have no idea that the stuff you post actually put people off trying to quit for reasons that you clearly have no understanding about because you are not and never have been a smoker. So what is the point? You want less smokers in the world, then stop fucking up the thread that is trying to help people to stop.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by Submaniac

and if your using the comically incorrect calculations, yes it's been a month

Cool... Even a stopped clock is right twice per day!

Anyway, again, well done. You're a better man than I! I'm still at the stage of finding 'convenient' excuses not to quite.

Have you tried the electronic cigarettes? Having used them, I am a believer. Really there is no link between just nicotine and cancer. The e-cigs feel nearly the same, and give the nicotine without the tar and other crap.

I mean just try it. Even if you don't want to fully quit, try puffing on the e-cigs every now and then, and it will at least help you cut down on regular cigs. I just think it will help.

I've heard of those, I thought they were illegal/unobtainable here though?

Originally Posted by Submaniac

Have you tried the electronic cigarettes? Having used them, I am a believer. Really there is no link between just nicotine and cancer. The e-cigs feel nearly the same, and give the nicotine without the tar and other crap.

all that does is prolong the agony, and make you look stupid

as said, the nicotine physical addiction is fairly easy to overcome, a few days of withdrawal, not nice but going to the dentist is worse

then you have the lifetime battle of the mental addiction, there is always those occasions when you might feel like a smoke, "just one"

Originally Posted by Submaniac

Really there is no link between just nicotine and cancer.

Nicotine has been noted to directly cause cancer through a number of different mechanisms such as the activation of MAP Kinases.[75] Indirectly, nicotine increases cholinergic signalling (and adrenergic signalling in the case of colon cancer[76]), thereby impeding apoptosis (programmed cell death), promoting tumor growth, and activating growth factors and cellular mitogenic factors such as 5-LOX, and EGF. Nicotine also promotes cancer growth by stimulating angiogenesis and neovascularization.[77][78] In one study, nicotine administered to mice with tumors caused increases in tumor size (twofold increase), metastasis (nine-fold increase), and tumor recurrence (threefold increase).[79]

Nicotine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ahh I remember now - you quit 20+ years ago and filled the void with pot and other drugs.

Just because you have a "lifetime battle of the mental addiction" it doesn't mean that others do. My brother quit 15 years ago and he said to me he has no interest at al in smoking; never crosses his mind and never has a thought about lighting up.

Maybe this "lifetime mental addiction" only affects those who are weaker willed? Or maybe this is about not just smoking but all manner of drugs that the average smoker would not stoop to consider using.

Originally Posted by DrAndy

Originally Posted by Submaniac

Have you tried the electronic cigarettes? Having used them, I am a believer. Really there is no link between just nicotine and cancer. The e-cigs feel nearly the same, and give the nicotine without the tar and other crap.

all that does is prolong the agony, and make you look stupid

as said, the nicotine physical addiction is fairly easy to overcome, a few days of withdrawal, not nice but going to the dentist is worse

then you have the lifetime battle of the mental addiction, there is always those occasions when you might feel like a smoke, "just one"

Yeah. Spoken like a non smoker. Some people can drink alcohol every now and then and stop. Some people become alcoholics. Some people can quit smoking cold turkey without any problems. Some people can't. My thoughts are use whatever you need to use and do whatever you need to do to stop inhaling the cigarettes. It's not the nicotine that gives you cancer. If you disagree then search the internet and find an article which says that nicotine is a carcinegen or that nicotine alone causes cancer. It's all the other chemicals in the cigarette, coupled with the smoke that causes cancer.

Here's a study on the use of SNUS (smokeless tobacco) conducted over 20 years on 280,000 people in Sweden.
Doctors: Swedish snus cut risk of cancer - USATODAY.com

The e-cigs are even safer than the SNUS because all it is is nicotine in water vapor.

I like nicotine. I liked smoking. If it were not for the entire lung cancer thing, I would not have quit. Now as someone who has gone through the withdrawal symptoms, I am advising another smoker to at least try it. I'm thinking of someone else's health. And when I say it's as someone who has gone through the cravings, and knows what it feels like.

It's taking baby steps towards an ultimate goal. And I don't care how anyone gets to the ultimate goal, I just want them to meet their goals.

^ I had tried to stop with e-cigs before. When I ran out of e-cigs I bought a pack of smokes and because i was puffing on the e-cig all day, went from a 20 a day to nearly 40 a day. After a few weeks of that, I just stopped it all together.

I think you just need to be careful replacing one nicotine source with another as it can often back fire.

You still using the e-cigs?

Originally Posted by Jofrey

Originally Posted by Submaniac

Really there is no link between just nicotine and cancer.

Nicotine has been noted to directly cause cancer through a number of different mechanisms such as the activation of MAP Kinases.[75] Indirectly, nicotine increases cholinergic signalling (and adrenergic signalling in the case of colon cancer[76]), thereby impeding apoptosis (programmed cell death), promoting tumor growth, and activating growth factors and cellular mitogenic factors such as 5-LOX, and EGF. Nicotine also promotes cancer growth by stimulating angiogenesis and neovascularization.[77][78] In one study, nicotine administered to mice with tumors caused increases in tumor size (twofold increase), metastasis (nine-fold increase), and tumor recurrence (threefold increase).[79]

Nicotine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nicotine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is the sentence immediately prior to the quote you posted

"Historically, nicotine has not been regarded as a carcinogen and the IARC has not evaluated nicotine in its standalone form and assigned it to an official carcinogen group. While no epidemiological evidence supports that nicotine alone acts as a carcinogen in the formation of human cancer, research over the last decade has identified nicotine's carcinogenic potential in animal models and cell culture."

At best, nicotine in its STANDALONE form has a "potential" for causing cancer. There has been no scientific studies that nicotine ALONE causes cancer.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

^ I had tried to stop with e-cigs before. When I ran out of e-cigs I bought a pack of smokes and because i was puffing on the e-cig all day, went from a 20 a day to nearly 40 a day. After a few weeks of that, I just stopped it all together.

I think you just need to be careful replacing one nicotine source with another as it can often back fire.

You still using the e-cigs?

Depends on what you mean "still using it". It's like this: I have an e-cig charged and ready t I have the urge. (Meaning I charged it, and it was put away in the drawer with a charge, just in case.) I can and do go without it, but sometimes I still crave the burning sensation in the lungs. So I have the e-cig ready and I may use it once in a while just for a puff (to feel the burning sensation).

My thoughts are, I have stopped smoking before (after I had surgery). Some people, lose the craving. Even when I had stopped before I still had the craving. And I had stopped for years and I still had the craving. Like when I would smell someone smoking a cigarette...it made me miss it. And my downfall was that sometimes I would just want one cigarette. But you have to buy a pack to get one. Then you have a pack lying around...and then you smoke it.

I am using it as a fallback "safety". Like if I get a craving, go to the e-cig so that I don't go to the actual cigarette. The important goal was to stop using actual cigarettes. The particles in the smoke are what really cause you health problems. The way I am looking at the nicotine in the e-cig is like caffeine in coke. Yeah, it's not 'good' for you, but it is MILDLY bad for you. Inhaling smoke regularly is VERY bad.

I don't know which e-cigs that you tried, but they have new models out that you add the juice directly (instead of buying the manufacturer's cartridge). I recommend that because it is cheaper, and all you have to buy is the juice. They have some without the nicotine (it's just like strawberry flavor in the water vapor), and I am going to go try that because I think it's just the ritual of smoking and the burning sensation I miss. However, I haven't gotten around to it because the original juice which I bought when I was quitting is still not used up yet. (It takes me a while to go through the stuff.)

I don't smoke in the car or in our home. Had to do a major renovation before we moved in because of years of indoor smoking by my mother. My wife and daughter can't stand the smell of smoke.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

I've heard of those, I thought they were illegal/unobtainable here though?

Kind of yes, and kind of no. I am really not certain myself with regards to Thai law (with Thai law, there really never is 'certainty'). But this link does have info on how to get them:

Thai E Vape Forum - Vaping in Thailand

I know they do sell them in Pattaya and Bangkok (even though they may or may not be allowed to be sold). I would recommend you just try one, once at least. Just so you know how it feels. (Very very similar to the burning sensation of a cigarette.) Maybe you will like it, maybe not. But if it is a potential at saving your health, then it would be silly at least not to try it if you can.

If you do, I would go for the eGo type cigarette with a ce4 or ce5 or maybe it's an ec4 or ec5 vaporizor. Get the one where you can remove the top and pour the nicotine juice directly into the cigarette.



It should look like this. You unscrew the top, pour in the liquid (and you see the amount of liquid in the clear top portion of the e-ciggie. Trust me, you want THIS type. The ones with the cartridges that you have to buy from the manufacturer are stupid. They are very expensive because they make their money by selling the cartridges. If you get the refillable ones, the juice is very cheap, and you just pour it in when you run low.

Originally Posted by Submaniac

nicotine in its STANDALONE form has a "potential" for causing cancer.

Gambling with your life as the stake?

No thanks.

^^ well if it's a choice between e-cigs with nicotine and water vapor where it is an unknown and not yet proven tenuous cancer link...or actual cigarettes where the health dangers are known and well documented....

All I know is that my lungs feel better on the e-cigs than the regular cigs.

Well done anyway Sub ,, keep at it mate

Originally Posted by Submaniac

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

*Damn this lack of edit!!!*

By my (often comically incorrect) calculations, you've coming up on one month?

Well considering that I started this thread on 1/27/13 after going 24 hours without a ciggie, and it's the 13th/14th of February...and if your using the comically incorrect calculations, yes it's been a month.

I guess about 18 days or so...which is a start.

18 days? Brilliant!!!

Carry on, you're well on thev way to becoming a complete non-smoker.

Originally Posted by ENT

You got no facts to back up yer contention that tobacco smoke, second hand or otherwise is a major pollutant of the atmosphere.

He didn't say that. He only spoke about peoples' immediate breathing space. This is a prime example of how you misquote people.

1st time in 3 decades I've gone 48 hours without a cigarette, cold turkey

Originally Posted by Malicious

1st time in 3 decades I've gone 48 hours without a cigarette, cold turkey

Congratulations, hang in there, you're over what most people say is the worst part, the physical addiction. The rest is day by day and gets easier as you go.